2016 NFL Thread

[Woody]

Please name the receivers better than DEZ. And yes that was a catch !!

Antonio brown
Odell Beckham
Julio Jones
Nuk

 

[scw538]

Odell beck ham are you serious one circus catch does not make you a great recv. JJ is good but not great like DEZ. Antonio is good but they just throw him the ball every pass DEZ is always double covered.

 

[Woody]

Odell beck ham are you serious one circus catch does not make you a great recv. JJ is good but not great like DEZ. Antonio is good but they just throw him the ball every pass DEZ is always double covered.

OBJ has more than one great catch. He is constantly double or triple covered. He is the offense. Look at the Giants with obj and vs the Vikings last year.

Antonio brown is an animal. He is miles above Dez. If you can't see that you are way too biased to admit when someone is better and that is one of the reasons cowboy fans are so annoying.
Brown and OBJ have footwork and release out of this league. OBJ has catching ability that exceeds Dez. Dez has size and physicality on both, sure. But it's not 1980 anymore.

Julio is not great? Rofl so Dez is the only great receiver in the league? Give me a break..... Come back with a real argument besides "I'm a cowboy fan and I like Dez so Dez is good." And FWIW, I went to high school with Dez. I played with him. I know first hand how good he is. that doesn't mean he's the best. Lol

 

[jswain34]

Peyton played with HOF WR, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark.

Look at BOTH those players without Peyton (btw, if you're in an argument about him, at least spell his name aorrectly). Yes, Wayne was significantly older without him but he was pretty horrible after Peyton left. Dallas Clark...LOL...what has he done since leaving the colts..? Thats funny.

Sure the defense for pats has been way better but colts have had a fantastic run game

Fantastic run game? What the hell are you talking about?

Colt's NFL rushing ranks during his career with them (in terms of yds/g):
1998 - 26/30
1999 - 19/31
2000 - 16/32
2001 - 7/32
2002 - 26/32
2003 - 19/32 (Peyton's 1st MVP)
2004 - 15/32 (2nd MVP)
2005 - 16/32
2006 - 18/32 (won superbowl)
2007- 18/32
2008 - 31/32 (3rd MVP)
2009 - 32/32 (4th mvp and colts made it to the SB)
2010 - 29/32
2011 - 26/32

Man...what a FANTASTIC running game...

 

[Woody]

Look at BOTH those players without Peyton (btw, if you're in an argument about him, at least spell his name right). Yes, Wayne was significantly older without him but he was pretty horrible after Peyton left. And Dallas Clark...LOL...what has he done since leaving the colts..? Thats funny.

...

I spelled Peyton the same way you did which is the correct way.

The HOF receiver isn't Reggie Wayne lol. It's Marvin Harrison............

Also, what Clark was like 107 when he left the Colts. So that's a moot point. Chad Johnson sucked on the Patriots so does that mean he's not a good WR? Silly contention.

 

[jswain34]

I spelled Peyton the same way you did which is the correct way.

The HOF receiver isn't Reggie Wayne lol. It's Marvin Harrison............

Also, what Clark was like 107 when he left the Colts. So that's a moot point. Chad Johnson sucked on the Patriots so does that mean he's not a good WR? Silly contention.

On the spelling one, that wasnt directed toward you. My apologies.

Yep! Payton has played with some very very good players.

Anything ill give Payton is, he was WAY WAY more athletic of a QB, obviously not the pastly few years.

I know you were talking about Marvin, but you also mentioned Wayne. I made no mention of Marvin because i agree, he was awesome.

And in terms of Dallas Clark, I still disagree. He was good...but i personally think that was because of Peyton. Peyton has made nearly all of his tight ends look like pro bowlers.

Edit: Julius Thomas, Dallas Clark, and Jacob Tamme are all examples.

 

[AntM1564]

Odell beck ham are you serious one circus catch does not make you a great recv. JJ is good but not great like DEZ. Antonio is good but they just throw him the ball every pass DEZ is always double covered.

I'm almost positive OBJ has the most receiving touchdowns and/or yards for a player in their first two seasons. And he missed 6 games or so in his rookie year due to injury.

Edit - good read - Odell Beckham Jr. is off to one of the hottest starts in NFL history - Stats & Info- ESPN

 

[Woody]

On the spelling one, that one wasnt directed toward you. My apologies.



I know you were talking about Marvin, but you also mentioned Wayne. I made no mention of Marvin because i agree, he was awesome.

And in terms of Dallas Clark, I still disagree. He was good...but i personally think that was because of Peyton. Peyton has made nearly all of his tight ends look like pro bowlers.

Edit: Julius Thomas, Dallas Clark, and Jacob Tamme are all examples.

Tamme is an unknown because of concussions. He showed flashes without Peyton, though. But he'd spend more time with PCS than not.

Thomas is on a stacked roster at Jacksonville. Should be fun to watch if he's healthy.

 

[scw538]

If you had to pick one today as your #1 recv. Who would you take ? You know my answer.

 

[Woody]

If you had to pick one today as your #1 recv. Who would you take ? You know my answer.

Brown/OBJ/JJ. Depending on what offense we ran and what complimentary players we had. D. Thomas is an option too. Hopkins too

 

[scw538]

Please do forget Murray had 392 carries in 2014 for 1845 yards. Dez lead league in recv. TDs. 8th in yds. Did obj and brown have another player taking touches like that. Please speak with data anything else is BS.

 

[Woody]

Please do forget Murray had 392 carries in 2014 for 1845 yards. Dez lead league in recv. TDs. 8th in yds. Did obj and brown have another player taking touches like that. Please speak with data anything else is BS.

Oh. So you mean Murray ran behind the best OL in the league and made safeties play under and prepare for Murray so it left Dez on single coverage often while OBJ/AB are consistently double or triple covered and still make plays?

 

[scw538]

The Giants will blow this year. But I still think it is a possible split for giants fans. The boys should win east by 3.5 games easy.

 

[rtmilburn]

Please do forget Murray had 392 carries in 2014 for 1845 yards. Dez lead league in recv. TDs. 8th in yds. Did obj and brown have another player taking touches like that. Please speak with data anything else is BS.

You kidding mean brown has the best running back in the league on the same team as him. Bell is averaging 4.9 yards a carry with william as a back up averaging 4.2. And it not that there o-line is good, actually they are quite bad. Also brown as another star receiver on the same team called martavis bryant. Honestly steelers have one of the best offense in the league but their D is sh!t.

 

[rtmilburn]

You kidding mean brown has the best running back in the league on the same team as him. Bell is averaging 4.9 yards a carry with william as a back up averaging 4.2. And it not that there o-line is good, actually they are quite bad. Also brown as another star receiver on the same team called martavis bryant. Honestly steelers have one of the best offense in the league but their D is sh!t.

Also lets not forget brown is projected to be #1 in fantasy football. First time a wide reciever has been #1 in almost 15 years. Its always a running back

 

[scw538]

You kidding mean brown has the best running back in the league on the same team as him. Bell is averaging 4.9 yards a carry with william as a back up averaging 4.2. And it not that there o-line is good, actually they are quite bad. Also brown as another star receiver on the same team called martavis bryant. Honestly steelers have one of the best offense in the league but their D is sh!t.

Martavis is not a star not even close.

 

[jswain34]

Martavis is not a star not even close.

Agreed, not yet anyway. Def a chance he could be within the next 2-3 yrs.

 

[scw538]

Can't wait for the season to start. Usc and bama play in Jerry world next month. DFW will be full of rammer jammers and tan snobs

 

[RugbyBaller91]

I have already penciled in only one loss in the division the away at NY. Cousins is garbage and everyone on the Eagles is a joke including their owner. So glad you paid that money to Norman now he has to face DEZ twice a year !! Good luck with that. Big D is back

Dez has lost a step looks that way last year besides him not having a "qb" dude still played like chit and my guess is by week 7 romo will be out again with the same injury from the same hit BRUH!

 

[Woody]

The Giants will blow this year. But I still think it is a possible split for giants fans. The boys should win east by 3.5 games easy.

Really? And what do you have to support that? Besides bias?

The Cowboys get Romo back, that helps. And Elliot, that helps too. But Dez seems to be hampered by injuries. Romo is questionable. The defense was awful to begin with and now... Two starting DE out for four games. Starting MLB out for ten. No CB help. The team lacks depth and lacks starters.

The Giants, on the other hand, added Sterling Shepherd who, although you will naturally say otherwise, has a full route tree, good footwork, and good hands. That should take some pressure off OBJ, especially if Cruz and/or Paul Perkins are serviceable. Giants also added a DE, 2 CB, FS, MLB, and the best run stuffing DT. Plus depth. And, JPP will have a glove and should be able to tackle or at least wrap up instead of generating pressure and clubbing the QB.

The Giants vastly improved. The Cowboys get Romo back and that's it. They did next to nothing to improve their roster while the entire division improved. But somehow, the return of Romo is going to lead with the Cowboys running away with the division? Lol

 

[rtmilburn]

Martavis is not a star not even close.

Shouldnt have used the word star. But he is upper middle for a reciever

 

[Woody]

Shouldnt have used the word star. But he is upper middle for a reciever

He was the best compliment to that team. Huge size and physicality. Unfortunately, a year ban may spell the end of him.

 

[rtmilburn]

He was the best compliment to that team. Huge size and physicality. Unfortunately, a year ban may spell the end of him.

Ya thats what im worried about to.

 

[herderdude]

Agreed, not yet anyway. Def a chance he could be within the next 2-3 yrs.

I dunno, J. I think he'll be out of the league by then. I'd say similar probability between star and out of the league. Slight probability he's just mediocre for awhile. Brown is the head honcho, no question. But Bryant is the big play guy. I don't think he's a star either. That comes from publicity and consistency over time and whatever else sportscenter uses to make that choice. But he is the bigger threat than even Brown.

Also, I'm really inspired by Jerry Jones' loyalty to Romo when the guy has spent so many years being a fantasy hero without ever actually winning an important game. Really amazing.

 

[The Solution]

Please do forget Murray had 392 carries in 2014 for 1845 yards. Dez lead league in recv. TDs. 8th in yds. Did obj and brown have another player taking touches like that. Please speak with data anything else is BS.

That is 2014
this is 2016 bud.

Lets look at how successful they have been:
2015 4-12-0 4th -- NFC East
2014 12-4-0 1st -- NFC East
2013 8-8-0 2nd -- NFC East
2012 8-8-0 3rd -- NFC East

Mostly going 8-8
Jones pays their players out the ass, and they just like to start drama and cause headaches.

Dez is a great receiver, but he does not win games himself, nor did his injury help him either. There is a lot more to football then a great wide receiver.
Where is Murray now? Basically sitting the bench.
Maybe you should focus on getting an established defense so Romo does not have to put up 30-40 points a game to try and win a game.

Even in fantasy his numbers were middle of the road for an average:

2010~ 11
2011~ 14
2013 ~ 16
2014 ~ 17
2015 ~ 8

At the end of the day Dallas has not had a hot streak in the playoffs or the postseason. Something has to change.

 

[Bartmac36]

Brown/OBJ/JJ. Depending on what offense we ran and what complimentary players we had. D. Thomas is an option too. Hopkins too

All great choices except D. Thomas. That man is as soft as chewed gum.

 

[Woody]

All great choices except D. Thomas. That man is as soft as chewed gum.

I like Thomas but he would be the last I'd pick on the list.

 

[scw538]

Ok what about the AFC? Can cincy actually do it this year ?

 

[jimbuick]

Ok what about the AFC? Can cincy actually do it this year ?

Ha!

 

[rtmilburn]

Ok what about the AFC? Can cincy actually do it this year ?

No it will most like be the pats, possibly steelers and then MAYBE chiefs. If one of those 3 dont make it to the superbowl i will be greatly surprise.

 

[jimbuick]

No it will most like be the pats, possibly steelers and then MAYBE chiefs. If one of those 3 dont make it to the superbowl i will be greatly surprise.

You expect the Chiefs to be better than the Broncos?



Wow.

 

[jgntyce]

Ok what about the AFC? Can cincy actually do it this year ?

As the resident Bengals fan here, I can only hope that they even win a playoff game!

 

[The Solution]

No it will most like be the pats, possibly steelers and then MAYBE chiefs. If one of those 3 dont make it to the superbowl i will be greatly surprise.

Steelers will not if they don't improve their defense (coming from a Steeler fan)
Cincy is a more complete team on both sides of the ball. While the Steelers are O Heavy that wont win championships. Pats are way more balanced.
Injuries killed the Steelers the last few years, we need to be healthy going into the playoffs to stand a chance of making a deep run. If our secondary does not get better we won't get very far. Tomlin did try to address that this offseason which was a very smart move in the draft.

 

[Bartmac36]

Ok what about the AFC? Can cincy actually do it this year ?

Theres a good chance that the Bengals have the most talented roster in football imo. They got robbed by bad luck/injuries at the end of last season.

I'm a Pats fan but if Dalton is healthy and playing well come playoff time this year i'd have to think they have a good shot. Probability-wise he's due for at least one good playoff game at some point

 

[PHAMPTON1105]

I'm just glad the Rams are now LA's problem. Now I get to pick a favorite team to root for instead of being miserable every Sunday seeing the Rams embarrass StL.

 

[scw538]

I'm just glad the Rams are now LA's problem. Now I get to pick a favorite team to root for instead of being miserable every Sunday seeing the Rams embarrass StL.

Any idea will Fox put you still in Rams regional coverage ? Or will you have the Titans.

 

[Woody]

Theres a good chance that the Bengals have the most talented roster in football imo. They got robbed by bad luck/injuries at the end of last season.

I'm a Pats fan but if Dalton is healthy and playing well come playoff time this year i'd have to think they have a good shot. Probability-wise he's due for at least one good playoff game at some point

I disagree. I think Jaguars do but idk if they can put it together. Losing Jones and Jackson will hurt Cincy a lot. And I'm not sure Dalton/Jones will ever take this team over the top

They do have a solid roster.

I'm just glad the Rams are now LA's problem. Now I get to pick a favorite team to root for instead of being miserable every Sunday seeing the Rams embarrass StL.

Fisher has to go. Rams will never win with him.

 

[rtmilburn]

You expect the Chiefs to be better than the Broncos?



Wow.

Chiefs are damn good, plus broncos lost so much. They dont have a chances to repeat.

Steelers will not if they don't improve their defense (coming from a Steeler fan)
Cincy is a more complete team on both sides of the ball. While the Steelers are O Heavy that wont win championships. Pats are way more balanced.
Injuries killed the Steelers the last few years, we need to be healthy going into the playoffs to stand a chance of making a deep run. If our secondary does not get better we won't get very far. Tomlin did try to address that this offseason which was a very smart move in the draft.

Agreed.

I think the pats, by far, will be the most likely. They also possibly have had the best off season so far.

 

[Bartmac36]

I disagree. I think Jaguars do but idk if they can put it together. Losing Jones and Jackson will hurt Cincy a lot. And I'm not sure Dalton/Jones will ever take this team over the top

They do have a solid roster.



Fisher has to go. Rams will never win with him.

The Jags have a very impressive core of young talent. I think they might be a year or two away from fully reaching their potential but they should be a force in that division for a long time once it happens.

I have no idea how Fisher still has a job. 20 seasons, 15 losing or .500 records as a HC. Like how is he still hanging around...

 

[RugbyBaller91]

Theres a good chance that the Bengals have the most talented roster in football imo. They got robbed by bad luck/injuries at the end of last season.

I'm a Pats fan but if Dalton is healthy and playing well come playoff time this year i'd have to think they have a good shot. Probability-wise he's due for at least one good playoff game at some point

Regardless I feel like dalton is no different than romo chokes in the playoffs

 

[RugbyBaller91]

The Jags have a very impressive core of young talent. I think they might be a year or two away from fully reaching their potential but they should be a force in that division for a long time once it happens.

I have no idea how Fisher still has a job. 20 seasons, 15 losing or .500 records as a HC. Like how is he still hanging around...

I think the jags will be amazing in the on coming years a lot of young talent there

 

[Bartmac36]

Regardless I feel like dalton is no different than romo chokes in the playoffs

He took a big step forward this past year at least in terms of regular-season play. Unfortunately we didnt get to see him in the playoffs, a game the Bengals nearly (shouldve) won with a backup QB. Theres no telling if hes gotten over that mental hump yet.

They will definitely be one of the teams I keep an eye on this year. Worst case scenario i see them as a 10-6 wild card team, best case is 12-4/13-3 competing for a bye

 

[RugbyBaller91]

He took a big step forward this past year at least in terms of regular-season play. Unfortunately we didnt get to see him in the playoffs, a game the Bengals nearly (shouldve) won with a backup QB. Theres no telling if hes gotten over that mental hump yet.


They will definitely be one of the teams I keep an eye on this year. Worst case scenario i see them as a 10-6 wild card team, best case is 12-4/13-3 competing for a bye

That is very true they've been a contender for a couple years now a lot of talent but when it came to playoffs dalton played terrible but maybe your right and he over came that now I guess we'll have to see loo

 

[The Solution]

Johnny Manziel breaks silence, hints at a possible future in football

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/johnny-manziel-breaks-silence-hints-at-a-possible-future-in-football/

That changed on Friday though, when Manziel broke his silence by sending an 87-word statement to the Washington Post. On July 15, the Post published a lengthy feature on Manziel, and although he didn't agree to be interviewed for the piece, he did let his spokeswoman send in a statement to give everyone an update on his life.
"I'm actually doing well. I have good friends around me supporting what I do and I try to support them in what they want to do," Manziel said.
According to Manziel's friends, the quarterback has been sober since July 1, when he made the pledge to stop drinking. Manziel says the pledge won't last forever, but he is clean right now.
"I'm not saying I'm never drinking again, but for now just mostly being healthy," Manziel said. "I've got a killer gym in my house and I can spend time working out."

 

[rtmilburn]

Johnny Manziel breaks silence, hints at a possible future in football

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/johnny-manziel-breaks-silence-hints-at-a-possible-future-in-football/

That changed on Friday though, when Manziel broke his silence by sending an 87-word statement to the Washington Post. On July 15, the Post published a lengthy feature on Manziel, and although he didn't agree to be interviewed for the piece, he did let his spokeswoman send in a statement to give everyone an update on his life.
"I'm actually doing well. I have good friends around me supporting what I do and I try to support them in what they want to do," Manziel said.
According to Manziel's friends, the quarterback has been sober since July 1, when he made the pledge to stop drinking. Manziel says the pledge won't last forever, but he is clean right now.
"I'm not saying I'm never drinking again, but for now just mostly being healthy," Manziel said. "I've got a killer gym in my house and I can spend time working out."

I honestly think if he can get his act together, like it seems hes doing, i think he can become an elite quaterback.

 

[The Solution]

I honestly think if he can get his act together, like it seems hes doing, i think he can become an elite quaterback.

The key word is "IF"
We have seen how many things he has done since his time at A&M. Every time he abuses his G/F, tries to make money on the side while still in college, goes out partying during the season etc... he just makes an excuse and lets it go in one ear and out the other.
Even seeking medical help, seeking someone for his mental problems it did not affect him in any way shape or form. He may be the biggest bust up there with Ryan Leaf.

And of course.. of all teams.. The BROWNS picked him.

 

[rtmilburn]

The key word is "IF"
We have seen how many things he has done since his time at A&M. Every time he abuses his G/F, tries to make money on the side while still in college, goes out partying during the season etc... he just makes an excuse and lets it go in one ear and out the other.
Even seeking medical help, seeking someone for his mental problems it did not affect him in any way shape or form. He may be the biggest bust up there with Ryan Leaf.

And of course.. of all teams.. The BROWNS picked him.

Yep. I dont see this lasting, thb. But i always try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

 

[jimbuick]

Manziel an elite quarterback? OK.


I'm not even convinced you watch football.


Chiefs better than Broncos.

Brady a better quarterback than Peyton.

Dez better receiver than Megatron, Brown, OBJ, etc.

Manning era Colts a better overall team than Brady Pats.


Jesus H. Christ.......

 

[rtmilburn]

Manziel an elite quarterback? OK.


I'm not even convinced you watch football.


Chiefs better than Broncos.

Brady a better quarterback than Peyton.

Dez better receiver than Megatron, Brown, OBJ, etc.

Manning era Colts a better overall team than Brady Pats.


Jesus H. Christ.......

First two are the only two that i said. The rest arent true at all. For gods sake the chiefs are good and broncos lost everything that made them good other than von miller. Also if you dont see the potential in manziel your high as a kite.

Oh and calling me out on knowing football, did you ever get offers to play d1 football? I did but got them taken away after a season ending concussion.

 

[jimbuick]

First two are the only two that i said. The rest arent true at all. For gods sake the chiefs are good and broncos lost everything that made them good other than von miller. Also if you dont see the potential in manziel your high as a kite.

Oh and calling me out on knowing football, did you ever get offers to play d1 football? I did but got them taken away after a season ending concussion.

What did the Broncos lose that will cripple them so seriously, please enlighten me.



I guess that concussion knocked all of the football knowledge straight out of you, because if you think Manziel is anything more than a college star then you are the one that's high as a kite.