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muscleupcrohn said:
Is my math wrong? I've seen studies use similar and higher doses of nitrates. Granted, it wasn't with other ingredients really.

Edit: A different study says that 3g creatine nitrate yields 1g nitrate, which would mean that 2g would yield 667mg nitrates. Plus 180mg from the potassium nitrate gives you 847mg nitrates.


Perhaps just don't go too overboard with the nitrate dose:

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pretty close if calculating on 100% purity and on dry or wet basis.
 
USPlabsRep said:
a scoop of MaxREPS is to much for some...

Can't go wrong, the only formula formulated with amounts reflected in the Published literature....Price is insanely good and if you don't like we'll give your money back,,,
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Oh no I love Max Reps I was saying combining max reps with more nitrates is too much. Totally unnecessary
 
jakecake said:
I buy separate **** it's cheaper and more efficient
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Literally just one of the ingredients you posted may provide a pump, lol. If you buy 5 seperate things and only one does want you think it's doing, is that really cost effective
 
jakecake said:
Only nitrates that work are for blood pressure bro rx stuff
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Not quite sure what you mean here. There are multiple studies showing benefits (endurance, blood flow, performance, etc) with nitrates from various sources (creatine nitrate, beetroot, etc). If you dose it properly (at least 400mg nitrates), you'll get the benefits of nitrates.
 
jakecake said:
Only nitrates that work are for blood pressure bro rx stuff
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or not...

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Ingestion of dietary (inorganic) nitrate elevates circulating and tissue levels of nitrite via bioconversion in the entero-salivary circulation. In addition, nitrite is a potent vasodilator in humans, an effect thought to underlie the blood pressure–lowering effects of dietary nitrate (in the form of beetroot juice) ingestion. Whether inorganic nitrate underlies these effects and whether the effects of either naturally occurring dietary nitrate or inorganic nitrate supplementation are dose dependent remain uncertain. Using a randomized crossover study design, we show that nitrate supplementation (KNO3 capsules: 4 versus 12 mmol [n=6] or 24 mmol of KNO3 (1488 mg of nitrate) versus 24 mmol of KCl [n=20]) or vegetable intake (250 mL of beetroot juice [5.5 mmol nitrate] versus 250 mL of water [n=9]) causes dose-dependent elevation in plasma nitrite concentration and elevation of cGMP concentration with a consequent decrease in blood pressure in healthy volunteers. In addition, post hoc analysis demonstrates a sex difference in sensitivity to nitrate supplementation dependent on resting baseline blood pressure and plasma nitrite concentration, whereby blood pressure is decreased in male volunteers, with higher baseline blood pressure and lower plasma nitrite concentration but not in female volunteers. Our findings demonstrate dose-dependent decreases in blood pressure and vasoprotection after inorganic nitrate ingestion in the form of either supplementation or by dietary elevation. In addition, our post hoc analyses intimate sex differences in nitrate processing involving the entero-salivary circulation that are likely to be major contributing factors to the lower blood pressures and the vasoprotective phenotype of premenopausal women.
 
jakecake said:
Like what other then one ingredient I left out with is citrulline and by the way plant nitrates aren't nitrates I work in a pharmacy it's literally a marketing scheme
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glycerol, taurine in addition to citrulline, and nitrates work just fine.....you can throw out arginine and norvaline, they are pointless
 
VaughnTrue said:
or not...

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Ingestion of dietary (inorganic) nitrate elevates circulating and tissue levels of nitrite via bioconversion in the entero-salivary circulation. In addition, nitrite is a potent vasodilator in humans, an effect thought to underlie the blood pressure–lowering effects of dietary nitrate (in the form of beetroot juice) ingestion. Whether inorganic nitrate underlies these effects and whether the effects of either naturally occurring dietary nitrate or inorganic nitrate supplementation are dose dependent remain uncertain. Using a randomized crossover study design, we show that nitrate supplementation (KNO3 capsules: 4 versus 12 mmol [n=6] or 24 mmol of KNO3 (1488 mg of nitrate) versus 24 mmol of KCl [n=20]) or vegetable intake (250 mL of beetroot juice [5.5 mmol nitrate] versus 250 mL of water [n=9]) causes dose-dependent elevation in plasma nitrite concentration and elevation of cGMP concentration with a consequent decrease in blood pressure in healthy volunteers. In addition, post hoc analysis demonstrates a sex difference in sensitivity to nitrate supplementation dependent on resting baseline blood pressure and plasma nitrite concentration, whereby blood pressure is decreased in male volunteers, with higher baseline blood pressure and lower plasma nitrite concentration but not in female volunteers. Our findings demonstrate dose-dependent decreases in blood pressure and vasoprotection after inorganic nitrate ingestion in the form of either supplementation or by dietary elevation. In addition, our post hoc analyses intimate sex differences in nitrate processing involving the entero-salivary circulation that are likely to be major contributing factors to the lower blood pressures and the vasoprotective phenotype of premenopausal women.
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The pump u get from a med vs a organic is bogus the organic is just a waist of money stick to the basics and as for this did this come from ncbi if not its buckshot lol
 
even if they are not "nitrates" they work for a pump, that's what we are discussing here.....you named 4 or so supplements where only 1 helps with pumps
 
jakecake said:
When a supplement says nitrate it means nothing
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Have you not read the study I referenced earlier?
In Study 2, there was a significant increase in plasma nitrates for both CrN groups by d-7, subsequently abating by d-28. Muscle creatine increased significantly by d-7 in the CrM and CrN-High groups, but then decreased by d-28 for CrN-High. By d-28, there were significant increases in bench press lifting volume (kg) for all groups (PLA, 126.6, 95 % CI 26.3, 226.8; CrM, 194.1, 95 % CI 89.0, 299.2; CrN-Low, 118.3, 95 % CI 26.1, 210.5; CrN-High, 267.2, 95 % CI 175.0, 359.4, kg). Only the CrN-High group was significantly greater than PLA (p < 0.05). Similar findings were observed for bench press peak power (PLA, 59.0, 95 % CI 4.5, 113.4; CrM, 68.6, 95 % CI 11.4, 125.8; CrN-Low, 40.9, 95 % CI −9.2, 91.0; CrN-High, 60.9, 95 % CI 10.8, 111.1, W) and average power.
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That's creatine nitrate, and it increased plasma nitrates...
 
These numbers are week but it only says in increased creatine serum in the blood plasma nothing about nitrates
 
It pretty much increased his Creatine in his blood plasma but that's it no nitrates were involved except the name of the supplement lol
 
jakecake said:
It pretty much increased his Creatine in his blood plasma but that's it no nitrates were involved except the name of the supplement lol
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Did you even read the study? Both doses of creatine nitrate increased serum nitrates, and the high dose of creatine nitrate improved performance to a greater extent than the lower dose, just creatine (actually a higher dose of creatine) and placebo...
 
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jakecake said:
And yes Creatine works but it has no difference from nitrate to ethyl Ester or even oral solution
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You do know that CEE has been shown to be completely useless...

What year are you posting from?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Neither am I.

I can show you studies showing CEE is useless, and that OTC nitrate supplementation can provide ergogenic benefits.
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The amount off effects you might get even if it was possibly working would be minuscule to none so keep waisting that doe
 
And I'd like to see a pharmaceutical study restating the cee being useless I remember loving it just the same as mono your studies your seeing are prob not gov regulated and a couple of dudes with a lab lol don't kid yourself brotha
 
jakecake said:
I'm not a bro science type of guy either so
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Here you go my friend:
In Study 2, there was a significant increase in plasma nitrates for both CrN groups
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The study utilised a double blind randomized cross-over design, where participants ingested either 70 ml of "BEET It Sport ®" nitrate shot containing 6.4 millimoles (mmol/L) or 400 mg of nitrate; or a blackcurrant placebo drink...

The results showed a significant difference in repetitions to failure (p < 0.001) and total weight lifted...

This study demonstrates that nitrate supplementation has the potential to improve resistance training performance and work output compared to a placebo.
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Diets rich in fruits and vegetables reduce blood pressure (BP) and the risk of adverse cardiovascular events. However, the mechanisms of this effect have not been elucidated. Certain vegetables possess a high nitrate content, and we hypothesized that this might represent a source of vasoprotective nitric oxide via bioactivation. In healthy volunteers, approximately 3 hours after ingestion of a dietary nitrate load (beetroot juice 500 mL), BP was substantially reduced (Delta(max) -10.4/8 mm Hg); an effect that correlated with peak increases in plasma nitrite concentration. The dietary nitrate load also prevented endothelial dysfunction induced by an acute ischemic insult in the human forearm and significantly attenuated ex vivo platelet aggregation in response to collagen and ADP. Interruption of the enterosalivary conversion of nitrate to nitrite (facilitated by bacterial anaerobes situated on the surface of the tongue) prevented the rise in plasma nitrite, blocked the decrease in BP, and abolished the inhibitory effects on platelet aggregation, confirming that these vasoprotective effects were attributable to the activity of nitrite converted from the ingested nitrate. These findings suggest that dietary nitrate underlies the beneficial effects of a vegetable-rich diet and highlights the potential of a "natural" low cost approach for the treatment of cardiovascular disease.
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Go ask your pharmacist man lol hell even tell u it's all bull**** arginine is the same as the nitrate version same with Creatine bro it never turns into something different in your system there for it never achieve molecularity into a nitrate it's literally impossible
 
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jakecake said:
And I'd like to see a pharmaceutical study restating the cee being useless I remember loving it just the same as mono your studies your seeing are prob not gov regulated and a couple of dudes with a lab lol don't kid yourself brotha
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You may know your field of study (which, props btw)

But if you're thinking CEE is good stuff, you can learn here.
It's the only form irrefutably worse than monohydrate, even when equating for creatine mass.
 
jakecake said:
And I'd like to see a pharmaceutical study restating the cee being useless I remember loving it just the same as mono your studies your seeing are prob not gov regulated and a couple of dudes with a lab lol don't kid yourself brotha
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Since you asked for it:
In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power.
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CEE , but not CM, is converted into creatinine in the gastrointestinal tract. As a result the use of CEE may be associated with elevated plasma creatinine levels.
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This study demonstrates that mild non-enzymatic conditions are sufficient for the cyclization of creatine ethyl ester into creatinine, and together with previous results obtained under enzymatic conditions suggests that there are no physiological conditions that would result in the production of creatine. It is concluded that creatine ethyl ester is a pronutrient for creatinine rather than creatine under all physiological conditions encountered during transit through the various tissues, thus no ergogenic effect is to be expected from supplementation.
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This study indicates that the half-life of CEE in blood is on the order of one minute, suggesting that CEE may hydrolyze too quickly to reach muscle cells in its ester form.
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jakecake said:
If it was possible we would have capsulised nitric oxide by now
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Gaseous caps, enteric coated.
Let's do it

I kid...
 
jakecake said:
Go ask your pharmacist man lol hell even tell u it's all bull**** arginine is the same as the nitrate version same with Creatine bro it never turns into something different in your system there for it never achieve molecularity into a nitrate it's literally impossible
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Did you read the 3 studies (all NCBI) that found nitrate supplementation (from various sources, including creatine nitrate, beetroot, etc) were effective in tested parameters, including plasma nitrate, endurance, and blood pressure reduction?
 
I cannot praise MaxReps enough!
-big dose of L-citrulline
-enough Cit Mal to benefit from the maltic acid
-2 g of Arginine nitrate (reduces nitrate tolerance)
-and tastes pretty darn great
 
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