At least we'd be in heaven...with Harambe the gorillaWe all would
At least we'd be in heaven...with Harambe the gorillaWe all would
At least we'd be in heaven...with Harambe the gorilla
Prince too.And Ceil the Lion
Damn! Ripping open old woundsAnd Ceil the Lion
How is this the only solution?Based on this argument, the only solution is to take all other stimulants out of pre workouts
At least we'd be in heaven...with Harambe the gorilla
And Ceil the Lion
I imagine Prince sitting in his throne in heaven with Harambe and Cecil by his side.Prince too.
Do you do this for all the additives in your food? I highly doubt this. Same as for most people ITT.If people are not wise enough to research anything they are ingesting, then maybe Darwin just needs to take effect.
The fact we have to put "do not ingest" on bleach bottles tells me the human race is doomed.
I get it, I'm just in a pissy/argumentative mood today. That was in response to your comment that the consumer generally doesn't research these compounds and/or dosages. But a manufacturer can only do so much. Unless it's a lethal or genuinely dangerous dose per serving, what more can be done? The consumer is buying a tub of it. Even if you lower the dose to 30mg DMAA/serving, what's to stop the consumer from taking three or four scoops? Thus, really, the only alternative is to remove these ingredients all togetherHow is this the only solution?
It just means the manufacturers/ product designers should take more care in how many stimulants and the dose of each. Doesn't mean taking them out.
Do you do this for all the additives in your food? I highly doubt this. Same as for most people ITT.
If you grab a burger from McDs, did you google all the ingredients in each before eating? No. You assume they used ingredients deemed safe. That's a logical assumption. But I veru much doubt you look up every single acidity regulator, added color and other ingredient use before you ate it.
C'mon.
Who said anything about it making you fat? You said people should be accountable to what they ingest, do how come that applies to supplements but not added ingredients in a burger.So its ok to sue McDonalds for making people fat? Cause that's what's being said here.
You walk into McDonalds and you order a burger, you know damn well that burger isn't the best burger, but its a ****ing burger.
This product has "Extreme" on the label, and its open label, with instructions not to go over 1 scoop. You go over that one scoop, its on you.
I don't recall signs in McDonalds saying "Don't eat these everyday or you will get fat", of course not. Cause the consumer accepts responsibility as a damn adult.
I agree, I'm all for it for sure. But many of these ingredients have only been studied in isolation or in combination with caffeine. We have no idea what the net effect is when you are using 6 different stims together.I get it, I'm just in a pissy/argumentative mood today. That was in response to your comment that the consumer generally doesn't research these compounds and/or dosages. But a manufacturer can only do so much. Unless it's a lethal or genuinely dangerous dose per serving, what more can be done? The consumer is buying a tub of it. Even if you lower the dose to 30mg DMAA/serving, what's to stop the consumer from taking three or four scoops? Thus, really, the only alternative is to remove these ingredients all together
Good points. Even if going on caffeine only, 350 mg is pretty close to the max safe per day for most people (not stim junkies who have built up tolerance). The Mayoclinic recommends to limit at 400 mg per day. The EFSA also only recommends 400 mg/day with no more than 200 mg/dose. I think that most people who have experienced DMAA would agree that 350 mg caff plus 75 mg of DMAA will hit just as hard or harder than 400 mg of caffeine (not even accounting for other stuff in this product).I agree, I'm all for it for sure. But many of these ingredients have only been studied in isolation or in combination with caffeine. We have no idea what the net effect is when you are using 6 different stims together.
People also wont know how they react until they try it. So if one scoop is recommened and that's all they use but it's far too much, that's not their fault because they followed the warnings.
I like a stim bomb on occasion, but to place all responsibility on the end user is negligence. You both assume responsibility
Lets not forget the great Robin Williams.I imagine Prince sitting in his throne in heaven with Harambe and Cecil by his side.
Completely agree with this point!If people are not wise enough to research anything they are ingesting, then maybe Darwin just needs to take effect.
Sigh.Completely agree with this point!
2 all beef patties, lettuce, pickles, something something somethingSigh.
I wonder if people can really name all the ingredients in a Big Mac. I mean after-all, we research everything we ingest right?
Heh lol2 all beef patties, lettuce, pickles, something something something
Hold on, let me ask my parents -- they know the song.
I don't eat Big Macs or fast food hamburgers for that matter and I do always look up what I'm ingesting when it comes to supplementsSigh.
I wonder if people can really name all the ingredients in a Big Mac. I mean after-all, we research everything we ingest right?
Me too, but comparing us to most other supp users is not a fair comparison.I don't eat Big Macs or fast food hamburgers for that matter and I do always look up what I'm ingesting when it comes to supplements
I never seen a pre workout with a sarm in it?What happened to the PWOs with Osta in them? M-sten and DMAA..hnnnggg
they already put everything in presIs this real life... like seriously?
I am pretty excited for the addition of Dust Extreme I think it will likely be similar to how BSL did their Cobra 6P and Cobra 6P Extreme and given this they had MANY videos describing Cobra 6p extreme as NOT FOR your avg person that it was specifically for stim junkies - which they said over and over and over in many videos as well on the site in text and even on the label. This will likely and prob likely already is for Dust Extreme ( I have not been following it as close ) in podcasts/periscope and prob in videos discussing it.
But hey BSL haters gonna hate and cry and hate some more lol
Also most of this thread TL;DR suck it
I never seen a pre workout with a sarm in it?
Nothing was aimed at BSL whatsoever.Is this real life... like seriously?
I am pretty excited for the addition of Dust Extreme I think it will likely be similar to how BSL did their Cobra 6P and Cobra 6P Extreme and given this they had MANY videos describing Cobra 6p extreme as NOT FOR your avg person that it was specifically for stim junkies - which they said over and over and over in many videos as well on the site in text and even on the label. This will likely and prob likely already is for Dust Extreme ( I have not been following it as close ) in podcasts/periscope and prob in videos discussing it.
But hey BSL haters gonna hate and cry and hate some more lol
Also most of this thread TL;DR suck it
I never seen a pre workout with a sarm in it?
I missed them yearsthey already put everything in pres
E-Stane, Msten, Superdrol
google Vasodrol and vaso-drol
msten / superdrol included in a pretty weak pre xD
Tsk tsk... generalized comment was generalized breh you has a guilty conscience?Nothing was aimed at BSL whatsoever.
Was just generalised comments pointing out that manufacturers/ supp companies are required to be responsible. Nothing more.
I believe it ships on June 6th from what I remember.Is this out yet? It appears Nutriverse have it in stock...
Haha, it's far too easy on a forum for what i type to be misconstrued because of lack of toneI missed them years
IT'S WORKING! Check my gainz bruh caffeine packed on 16#'s O.O
Tsk tsk... generalized comment was generalized breh you has a guilty conscience?
Pew pew
You may appease me with cotton candy fxt..
not srs...
maybe srs
High reps, low weight should fix your lack of tone problemHaha, it's far too easy on a forum for what i type to be misconstrued because of lack of tone
lol'dHigh reps, low weight should fix your lack of tone problem
LolHigh reps, low weight should fix your lack of tone problem
That's why I don't serve DRUNKS when I'm Bartending and if I see you've had enough you get CUT OFF!!!No, but the bartender can be sued or held liable in instances where they continued to serve a patron and the patron causes harm to others.
What supplement AREN'T you pretty excited for?Is this real life... like seriously?
I am pretty excited for the addition of Dust Extreme
What supplement AREN'T you pretty excited for?
Haha, it's far too easy on a forum for what i type to be misconstrued because of lack of tone
I know plenty of newbies who have ONLY heard of mesomorph, lol.Listen I understand following the rules and not overdoing it with supps. My tolerance to stim based pre's is pretty high but when you are educated on DMAA combined with caffeine you know to take as recommended. Casual lifters aren't gonna even take Mesomorph or dust extreme because they don't market it to the gnc people anyway.
That's funny, everyone I know has NEVER heard of mesomorph... But they killC4, lol.I know plenty of newbies who have ONLY heard of mesomorph, lol.
Haha C4 isnt that big here, at least not from what ive seen. Meso is one I always have at least one tub of on hand. I use it 2x per week so it lasts foreverThat's funny, everyone I know has NEVER heard of mesomorph... But they killC4, lol.
That's always the first one that people ask me about when talking about preworkouts. "Have you tried c4? Man, that stuff is insane". I figure if they think C4 is strong I'm not gonna give them a Meso sample hah.Yeah C4 is the one that all the casual lifters use. Not Mesomorph that's for sure. GNC isn't selling it.
Mesomorph was the 2nd pre workout I ever tried! I was surprised to say the least.That's always the first one that people ask me about when talking about preworkouts. "Have you tried c4? Man, that stuff is insane". I figure if they think C4 is strong I'm not gonna give them a Meso sample hah.
I'm sure it was a swift kick in the ass hahahaMesomorph was the 2nd pre workout I ever tried! I was surprised to say the least.
Trust me, I was straight amped. I keep thinking, is this stuff really legal, lol.I'm sure it was a swift kick in the ass hahaha
Have you had DMAA before? I ingest a lot (too much) of caffeine every day, usually 600-1000mg, and meso gives me a nice wakeup but nothing like what other people talk about. I also have used DMAA often in the past. So, if you are stim tolerant and are used to DMAA, don't expect anything mind blowing. It's a great product and I enjoy it, but you have to have reasonable expectations based on what you're used toJust had 3/4 scoop of meso for the first time. Lots of excited apprehension and what do you know? Felt virtually nothing!!! Going to try 1 full scoop next but beginning to feel im one of the damned! Years of 6-7 cups of coffee a day have completely killed my stimulatory senses.
Keep in mind too that dmaa feels very different than caffeine.Just had 3/4 scoop of meso for the first time. Lots of excited apprehension and what do you know? Felt virtually nothing!!! Going to try 1 full scoop next but beginning to feel im one of the damned! Years of 6-7 cups of coffee a day have completely killed my stimulatory senses.
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