FOLLIDRONE 2.0 FAQ Updated follidrone writeup and info***

anabolix said:
For me it's much more than a creaky elbow. My joints hurt so bad that I can't lift enough to take full advantage of FD2. My thoughts are that if the offending compounds (absorption package) can be lowered to fix joint pain, while still retaining the positives, then that would be an easy fix and everyone would be happy. Why have a great hormone alternative that causes bad joint pain and gastro issues, when you could easily have one with zero sides? Seems like a good way to keep customers, rather than having them switch to running EC solo in order to remedy joint and abdominal pain.
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Pretty much 100% of PH and DS and AAS have negative side effects ranging from mild like acne to severe like clogged arteries and potential cardiac arrest and even death.
Most strong supplements have some side effects for some people as well.

The only thing I can do is test a few options and see if the sides subside for these people but it will take time and effort.
For now we will continue selling FD2 as is because for 99% of people there are no negative sides or they are very minor.

And I know for 100% certain no EC extract comes close to our extract plus
Epicatechin with absorption package
Flos carthami
Quercetin niacin co crystals.

Its not even a close comparison. Just like any epicatechin product doesnt compare to FD2.
 
mechka_grizli said:
brundel are you guys aware that MuscleTech has EC in their new Nanox9 product??????? That didn't take long at all
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No but Im not surprised.
It was only a few weeks before everyone cloned FD1. 3 weeks after release there were clones. Sooner actually.
Seems lazy to just sit and wait for someone else to do all the work but I guess its economical.
Ill just keep doing what I do and they can do what they do. I can say that when released most of my products have ingredients no being used by anyone else and that I worked hard researching, testing and putting the time and money into figuring out what the right chemical constituents are and the proper extraction processes etc.
I know they are not doing this. They will likely if not certainly just source the cheapest EC extract they can find.
 
deadlyzach said:
Update, I know it's only been a few days, I'm at 2 and a half weeks but these last few days have been incredible. I feel like it's fully kicked in now, I've broke a squat PR and a bench PR this week. I'm definitely sold on another bottle at this point. Any benefit on running laxogenin with this?
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Honestly Im not sure how I feel about laxo in general. But there is no harm that I see.
 
brundel said:
No but Im not surprised.
It was only a few weeks before everyone cloned FD1. 3 weeks after release there were clones. Sooner actually.
Seems lazy to just sit and wait for someone else to do all the work but I guess its economical.
Ill just keep doing what I do and they can do what they do. I can say that when released most of my products have ingredients no being used by anyone else and that I worked hard researching, testing and putting the time and money into figuring out what the right chemical constituents are and the proper extraction processes etc.
I know they are not doing this. They will likely if not certainly just source the cheapest EC extract they can find.
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Brundel the upside of this is that you have created a product that works and other labs will most certainly jump on the ecklonia cava bandwagon and create their own product which may or may not work, at least you can say that you were first to incorporate it into a solid supplement and succeeded with it.
 
And for those thinking about buying clones/knockoffs of BLR products, you will only be hurting yourself in the long run. When BLR puts all their money into a new product and releases it, the money from those sales will likely go back into BLR to be used for research of new compounds for future products. If you spend your money with another company's clone of BLR product, you end up hurting BLR bottom line and less research dollars available for BLR to bring out new products. Just my .02 cents
 
So should I go with 1 or 2 bottles? 1 bottle and see how I respond and then buy another one? Never ever tried any BLR product yet.
 
brundel said:
Honestly Im not sure how I feel about laxo in general. But there is no harm that I see.
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Does epicatechin make you hungrier? Running both laxo and epi (started at the same time) and I'm loving the extreme hunger feeling and don't wanna be without it, not sure which of the two is behind it though.
 
ChrisW said:
Does epicatechin make you hungrier? Running both laxo and epi (started at the same time) and I'm loving the extreme hunger feeling and don't wanna be without it, not sure which of the two is behind it though.
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I have used both supps alot(love them by the way) and have never experienced increased hunger.
 
Also just wanted to put this out there...
The MT product with Ecklonia in it has only 36mg per dose.
Compared between 10 and 20x more in FD2. And we use a super strong blended extract.
Its almost like they should have left it out. Or frankly its just there to look good on the label but they didnt want to spend the money to really use it.
 
jt75 said:
Brundel the upside of this is that you have created a product that works and other labs will most certainly jump on the ecklonia cava bandwagon and create their own product which may or may not work, at least you can say that you were first to incorporate it into a solid supplement and succeeded with it.
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Thanks man
We can say that we were the first bodybuilding/fitness product with
epicatechin
Atractylodes macrocephala
E cava
Flos carth....
I work hard to keep BLR on the cutting edge. I try to use ingredients everyone else isnt using and give you guys access to great NEW products.
 
ChrisW said:
Does epicatechin make you hungrier? Running both laxo and epi (started at the same time) and I'm loving the extreme hunger feeling and don't wanna be without it, not sure which of the two is behind it though.
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Epicatechin doesnt but FD2 might.
Ecklonia cava can really lower glucose levels which makes many people hungry and lethargic. Eating a meal with carbs around the time of dosing helps.
 
brundel said:
And I know for 100% certain no EC extract comes close to our extract plus
Epicatechin with absorption package
Flos carthami
Quercetin niacin co crystals.

Its not even a close comparison. Just like any epicatechin product doesnt compare to FD2.
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I know FD2 is better than EC solo, and that's why I'd love to continue taking it. Unfortunately, the sides are so bad that I can't.:-( The only reason I switched to EC solo is because my body can't tolerate the FD2 and feel EC solo is better than nothing. You are right that many anabolic's have sides, but that doesn't mean FD2 has to also. Personally, I would bet that the inflammation/gastro sides could most likely be solved by reducing the offending compounds, while leaving it with 99.9% of the positives. Win=win. I do appreciate the time you have taken to remedy this, and will hold out hope that I can get back on the FD2 again at some point. This is definitely one of the best natural products ive taken, and it would be a shame if myself and others can't partake because of the absorption package causing problems at it's current strength. As is the nature of this business, given enough time someone will come out with a similar product, but different absorption package. I'm holding out for a tweaked FD2 though...positive thinking :-).
 
brundel said:
Honestly Im not sure how I feel about laxo in general. But there is no harm that I see.
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I am getting on well with DSU, with FD2.0, my joints are feeling much better e.g. elbows are no longer sore when performing heavy scull crushers, i am also maintaining strength through the middle of 4th week PCT.
 
Pec.Major said:
So should I go with 1 or 2 bottles? 1 bottle and see how I respond and then buy another one? Never ever tried any BLR product yet.
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I would go with 2, 8 weeks is better i feel or even 3 to do a 12 week run, effects seem to be getting better the longer i am on it.
 
does yohimbine have any effect on a fd2 + viron stack? changing my pre-workout and has it in it, probably over thinking it but just curious, want to make this run count is all.
 
anabolix said:
I know FD2 is better than EC solo, and that's why I'd love to continue taking it. Unfortunately, the sides are so bad that I can't.:-( The only reason I switched to EC solo is because my body can't tolerate the FD2 and feel EC solo is better than nothing. You are right that many anabolic's have sides, but that doesn't mean FD2 has to also. Personally, I would bet that the inflammation/gastro sides could most likely be solved by reducing the offending compounds, while leaving it with 99.9% of the positives. Win=win. I do appreciate the time you have taken to remedy this, and will hold out hope that I can get back on the FD2 again at some point. This is definitely one of the best natural products ive taken, and it would be a shame if myself and others can't partake because of the absorption package causing problems at it's current strength. As is the nature of this business, given enough time someone will come out with a similar product, but different absorption package. I'm holding out for a tweaked FD2 though...positive thinking :-).
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Same. I stopped FD2 a couple weeks ago. I will start my EC solo run tomorrow. I will be running 53mg EC extract 3x per day then up it to 4x per day. I know it won't be as good as FD2, but it will still be good to see what EC can do solo. Btw the EC I have does not smell like nail polish remover like FD2 (not sure if that's a good or bad thing just an observation).
 
anabolix said:
I know FD2 is better than EC solo, and that's why I'd love to continue taking it. Unfortunately, the sides are so bad that I can't.:-( The only reason I switched to EC solo is because my body can't tolerate the FD2 and feel EC solo is better than nothing. You are right that many anabolic's have sides, but that doesn't mean FD2 has to also. Personally, I would bet that the inflammation/gastro sides could most likely be solved by reducing the offending compounds, while leaving it with 99.9% of the positives. Win=win. I do appreciate the time you have taken to remedy this, and will hold out hope that I can get back on the FD2 again at some point. This is definitely one of the best natural products ive taken, and it would be a shame if myself and others can't partake because of the absorption package causing problems at it's current strength. As is the nature of this business, given enough time someone will come out with a similar product, but different absorption package. I'm holding out for a tweaked FD2 though...positive thinking :-).
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I do plan on sending some altered stuff to you guys to test drive.
Just gonna take a bit to get the time to run altered product.
We can certainly try.
 
Worst mistake on this run - take a cap before going to bed. Woke up with awful headache, and even 40 minutes into a carb-rich breakfast its still there. Pretty sure its hypo because I always get this kind of headache from it
 
repulsah said:
Worst mistake on this run - take a cap before going to bed. Woke up with awful headache, and even 40 minutes into a carb-rich breakfast its still there. Pretty sure its hypo because I always get this kind of headache from it
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It could be the opposite, there is a condition that some diabetics have that during the night their blood sugar drops very low and their liver over compensates with a huge release of glycogen into the blood stream, this will cause a groggy feeling and massive headache for a few hours before blood glucose levels normalize. This was happening to me when I was first diagnosed as diabetic. You may have a normally lower bs than some people. One word of advice, do not take this at bedtime...
 
jmero2 said:
It could be the opposite, there is a condition that some diabetics have that during the night their blood sugar drops very low and their liver over compensates with a huge release of glycogen into the blood stream, this will cause a groggy feeling and massive headache for a few hours before blood glucose levels normalize. This was happening to me when I was first diagnosed as diabetic. You may have a normally lower bs than some people. One word of advice, do not take this at bedtime...
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One more thing, I have successfully gone 4 days now without insulin, this product is great for me and could be too much for normal people if their calories and meal timing aren't on point.
 
Well, I slept 7 hours, woke up with a headache, had some water and then went to sleep for 3 more hours. Headache still present and big. Doubt that it would take so long to normalize, considering I could feel hypo in just an hour after taking one cap during my first days. It's been around an hour and a half since breakfast and headache seems so to subside little by little.
 
repulsah said:
Well, I slept 7 hours, woke up with a headache, had some water and then went to sleep for 3 more hours. Headache still present and big. Doubt that it would take so long to normalize, considering I could feel hypo in just an hour after taking one cap during my first days. It's been around an hour and a half since breakfast and headache seems so to subside little by little.
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Look up Somogyi Effect, pretty interesting.
I have to make sure I eat 700-800 calories before bed. I have also adjusted my timing of FD2 to get all of the doses in before 7 pm, this has been the ticket for me to wake up with my blood sugar in the high normal range over the last 4 or 5 days.
 
Brundel, just curious if you're aware of vendors selling FD2 through Amazon and whether it's legitimate or not. Supp World is the seller and Amazon actually fulfills the order. I just wanted to know if it was safe to order through them or not. Wanted to make sure someone wasn't selling a counterfeited version. Thanks.
 
paul56778 said:
I am more around half way through my second pot and have 4 more.

Don't think i will run 24 weeks straight though.
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It seems that FD2 enhances the effect of other suppz. I'm thinking of keeping on the FD2 but as part of maybe a sarm stack and then just do a straight BLR pct while still on FD2.... Truth be told, if I had known about the effects of FD2 at the time, I probably wouldn't have wasted my hard earned cash on the sarm stack....
 
Jmuls said:
Brundel, just curious if you're aware of vendors selling FD2 through Amazon and whether it's legitimate or not. Supp World is the seller and Amazon actually fulfills the order. I just wanted to know if it was safe to order through them or not. Wanted to make sure someone wasn't selling a counterfeited version. Thanks.
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I second that question...
 
yelis300 said:
Do you just do that once per day? 3x1? I've been fighting the lethargy and this has me curious.
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Im currently taking 6 a day as it doesn't make me lethargic, i eat 300-400g carb a day all form quinoa and brown rice/ peppers so i find it's helping a tons and im giving my body what it needs
 
repulsah said:
Worst mistake on this run - take a cap before going to bed. Woke up with awful headache, and even 40 minutes into a carb-rich breakfast its still there. Pretty sure its hypo because I always get this kind of headache from it
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Well now we know not to take it before bed!
Sounds like a glucose issue for sure.
 
jmero2 said:
One more thing, I have successfully gone 4 days now without insulin, this product is great for me and could be too much for normal people if their calories and meal timing aren't on point.
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Im so happy this has allowed you to go without insulin.
Considering Follidrone2 has all these health benefits and benefits with regards to muscle growth and fat loss and well....insulin has a bunch of negative side effects its pretty awesome. Cost wise the insulin is much cheaper.....If you decide to use this long term let me know and we can work out a way for you to get bulk product for less.
 
Jmuls said:
Brundel, just curious if you're aware of vendors selling FD2 through Amazon and whether it's legitimate or not. Supp World is the seller and Amazon actually fulfills the order. I just wanted to know if it was safe to order through them or not. Wanted to make sure someone wasn't selling a counterfeited version. Thanks.
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Im not sure off hand who that is but its probably ok.
We have a few retailers who sell through amazon.
Can always contact me once it arrives and Ill let you know what it should look like inside ;)
 
Joshlm69 said:
Would this be better off solo, or running with a TD (-)epi product, side by side?
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I dont see any way in which td epicatechin will reduce the effects of FD2.
But like it has been mentioned there is already epicatechin in there. PLus a strong absorption enhancement package.
No need for it.
Would be better to add Viron or Letrone or another natural product.
 
yelis300 said:
Do you just do that once per day? 3x1? I've been fighting the lethargy and this has me curious.
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I think people really having issues with lethargy cant do the 2 cap dose.
Instead do 1 cap at a time with a carb rich meal.
 
brundel said:
Upper chest, neck, delts, inner thighs.
These are the best spots.

I used to do my forearms alot with Formeron but Im really lean and vascular there.
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Awesome 2 caps letrone ed was too strong i was eating everything and killed my joints.. LOVED IT! lol, but now im going exotherm route to get sub 10% bf again
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Awesome 2 caps letrone ed was too strong i was eating everything and killed my joints.. LOVED IT! lol, but now im going exotherm route to get sub 10% bf again
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Im not gonna lie.....I know some would apologize for the product causing joint pain or hunger but its a testament to the power of the ingredients.
Atractylodes is an amazing plant.
SUPER strong aromatase inhibitors in it.
but also increases metabolism
HGH
IGF1
cAMP
Ghrelin= where the hunger comes from ;)

The Exotherm has alot less of the atractylodes so itll not likely cause the joint pain.
There is alot of stearoyl vanillyamide and an exceptional cirsium extract in it as well. Fat burning potential 10.
 
brundel said:
Im not gonna lie.....I know some would apologize for the product causing joint pain or hunger but its a testament to the power of the ingredients.
Atractylodes is an amazing plant.
SUPER strong aromatase inhibitors in it.
but also increases metabolism
HGH
IGF1
cAMP
Ghrelin= where the hunger comes from ;)

The Exotherm has alot less of the atractylodes so itll not likely cause the joint pain.
There is alot of stearoyl vanillyamide and an exceptional cirsium extract in it as well. Fat burning potential 10.
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Yeah i know the benefits of letrone i could feel it, the hunger while actually leaning out was insane, i love the ingredient in letrone thats why im swapping to exo!
 
brundel said:
Im so happy this has allowed you to go without insulin.
Considering Follidrone2 has all these health benefits and benefits with regards to muscle growth and fat loss and well....insulin has a bunch of negative side effects its pretty awesome. Cost wise the insulin is much cheaper.....If you decide to use this long term let me know and we can work out a way for you to get bulk product for less.
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Thanks a bunch Brundel, it looks like I'll be running this long term. I appreciate your offer, I'll send you a pm soon.

I turned on a type 2 friend that is from my doctors office, he's a week in and loving it. He's on 2 grams of metformin and 3 caps of FD2, his vascularity is pretty amazing.
 
jmero2 said:
Thanks a bunch Brundel, it looks like I'll be running this long term. I appreciate your offer, I'll send you a pm soon.

I turned on a type 2 friend that is from my doctors office, he's a week in and loving it. He's on 2 grams of metformin and 3 caps of FD2, his vascularity is pretty amazing.
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Stoked to hear it. Muscles and health....def a win.
 
brundel said:
Upper chest, neck, delts, inner thighs.
These are the best spots.

I used to do my forearms alot with Formeron but Im really lean and vascular there.
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I have vascularity in forearms and front of upper quads so would they be suitable additional areas, what about calves, shins and tops of feet.
 
brundel said:
I think people really having issues with lethargy cant do the 2 cap dose.
Instead do 1 cap at a time with a carb rich meal.
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Yes I was fine for about 2 weeks going above 3 caps and then it caught up with me. I started back @1x3 as recommended and I feel much better now. I tried upping my carbs at first but was still feeling lethargic so that's when I lowered the dose. I think the EC builds up in your system a bit after taking it. I also read on examine that EC is fat soluble and has a half life of 12hrs but I don't know if that's accurate with the extract you are using.
 
Here is an update on Follidrone 2.0 day 49 @ 3 caps per day.

I Started using it whilst running Halo, Epistane and Tr3n which i then dropped to just Halo and Tr3n for last 2 weeks of a long 10 week PH cycle.

Strength gains were great on cycle i went from benching 205Lbs for 10-12 to 280lbs for 10 and 297lbs for 6-8 reps on my last max set, i can currently use 275 for 10-8 reps now so strength gains have been great considering i am now in week 4 of PCT.

I was able to add 44 pounds of my front squats weight for all 3-4 sets of 10.

Leg Press went from 660 pounds to 1020+ pounds for 10-12 reps, this was a massive gain which has remained in week 4 of PCT.

Hack-squats went from 264 pounds for 10 reps to 418lbs for 12 reps.

Leg Extensions from 262 pounds with 8-10 reps up to 15-20 now at end of week 4 pct.

Weight Last day of PH cycle was 191.5lbs

Weight This Morning Day 28 PCT was 192lbs. "No size has been lost in these past 4 weeks and i have retained 90% of strength on bench press around 95% on legs based on RPE being harder now, also on seated DB shoulder press i have gained the ability to work up to 20 reps with 82.5lb dumbbells.

This is a complete breakdown of what i have used for the past 28 days whilst in PCT and is what i attribute to keeping the strength and size from ph cycle.

10 Caps of OL Sup3rPct , 5 am and 5 pre bed.
1 Cap of BLR Prolactrone pre bed.
2 Caps of BLR Viron 1 am and 1 pm, pre workout.
3 Caps of BLR Follidrone 2 1 am and 2 pwo or 1,1,1, on rest day Sunday's/
4 SlinMax for backloading post workout carb based meals.
2 Pumps of BLR Exotherm 1 am and 1 pre bed.
2 Pumps of OL DSU 1 am and 1 pwo or pre bed depending on time of day working out, will try 1 pump AM and 1 cap pre workout to see how it compares when order arrives from OL.
1 Serving of OL Tr1umph 1 hour pre workout doses with the Follidrone 2.0 and Viron.
Clomid @ 100/50/50/25, "not sure if i should run for another month at 25mg EOD for 2 weeks and 25mg E3D for 2 weeks. or just run on Testify Pro Limited run version to replace my Sup3rPCT.

Also not sure whether to get another tub of slin max, Burn24, or recompadrol when my tub of slinmax runs out next tuesday.
 
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