Dosing Guide for Popular PH/DS

[DonnieM]

Suggestions for next cycle? Want something more potent than Halo, but not too harsh. Goal is bulk. Thinking of maybe Methyldiaz(Triumph..), Mecha or LMG stacked with something else.

 

[Thefatbloke]

Suggestions for next cycle? Want something more potent than Halo, but not too harsh. Goal is bulk. Thinking of maybe Methyldiaz(Triumph..) or LMG stacked with something else.

Epi and tren.

 

[wicked442]

Msten + tren FTW!

 

[DonnieM]

Tren sides scurrs me

 

[wicked442]

How did Msten and DMZ miss the ban?

 

[Urqa]

What would be a good PH to run for a complete beginner first time that is interested in strength gains ?

 

[Jebrook]

What would be a good PH to run for a complete beginner first time that is interested in strength gains ?

1 Andro at 330 mg for 6-8 weeks.

 

[Urqa]

1 Andro at 330 mg for 6-8 weeks.

Thanks Jebrook, Would the side affects at this dose be very low? Would you see much from a 4 week cycle on this?

 

[Jebrook]

Thanks Jebrook, Would the side affects at this dose be very low? Would you see much from a 4 week cycle on this?

Side effects should be minimal. The only side I've ever experienced from 1 andro is a little bit of lethargy. At 4 weeks you could gain 3-5 lbs maybe and hit some PR's. That being said, this compound really takes a good 3 weeks to get rolling good in most cases. So your run would be done shortly after it gets good. 6-8 is optimal for maximum gains. It's mild and generally well tolerated so just let your wallet and heart be your guide. Lol

 

[Urqa]

Side effects should be minimal. The only side I've ever experienced from 1 andro is a little bit of lethargy. At 4 weeks you could gain 3-5 lbs maybe and hit some PR's. That being said, this compound really takes a good 3 weeks to get rolling good in most cases. So your run would be done shortly after it gets good. 6-8 is optimal for maximum gains. It's mild and generally well tolerated so just let your wallet and heart be your guide. Lol

Thanks, Ill look more into this, thinking about trying a PH or a SARM like LGD for a starter,

 

[Punisher187]

What's the proper dosing to run epistane and sdmz?

 

[brofessorx]

This is copied from the Tren bible:

Tren is a popular over-the-counter anabolic steroid/pro-hormone, Tren is one of the more storied compounds on the market and also one of the most confusing as they’re are four separate compounds that are commonly referred to as Tren. However two of the forms (17b-methoxy-trenbolone) and (13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one) have been discontinued or are non-existent.

This article primarily covers the two most popular and available forms (estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione) and (19-Norandrosta4,9diene-3,17dione) both of these compounds should be treated as being identical.

this is kind of true. back then those were the 3 compounds called tren.

first one, the methoxy trienolone was tested as plain trenbolone, but the compound methoxy trien in vida is listed as a very potent steroid. more so than trenbolone. trenbolone does has oral bioavailability though.

second one is max lmg. still available today and is a progestin that converts into ethyl nor androstenedione (aromaizable) in the stomach acids, then in the liver, can convert into ethyl nor testosterone (aromatizable)

the third an forth one, as noted, are the exact same compound, just written differently. pro dienolone aka dienedione. this is a pro hormone to dienolone.

you can diferenciate the two pro hormones trenadione and dienedione by looking at the nomenclature. trenadione and trenbolone will have " Tri-ene" in the nomenclature. Dienedione and dienolone will have Di-ene.

 

[brofessorx]

I should also note, I don't think methoxy trienbolone has been banned. I could be wrong thouh. i'd have to look for the exact nomenclature in the controlled substance list.
but seing how it was replaced by dienedione by the time the ban happened, it probably isn't. esp if they tested it and it came up trenbolone, they'd probably just write it off as tren.

 

[brofessorx]

Update:
Henryv was kind enough to school me via some private tutoring :spankme: :lol:

I think methoxytrenbolone would be illegal as it\'s an ether of trenbolone. Esters, ethers, and salts of controlled substances are also controlled substances. The compound in Vida is actually methoxy-methyloxytrenbolone.

Regards,
henryv

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[Jebrook]

Update:
Henryv was kind enough to school me via some private tutoring :spankme: :lol:

Good stuff brof. Thanks for sharing that.

 

[Jebrook]

What's the proper dosing to run epistane and sdmz?

Didn't see this earlier. Depends upon your previous experience with both compounds. If both are new I would begin both at low doses and taper up as needed. So Epi at 30mg possibly and DMZ at 20-30 mg. If you've used one or both before, but not together, I would start slightly lower than the sweet spot and taper up as needed.

 

[Jebrook]

Bump. A ton of updates to come in the next week or so.

 

[Whacked]

Late for the party but great thread OP

 

[oyvind]

Very interesting stack I can imagine bp tho???

No problems with the BP, what so ever. Well, maybe if I took too much of a dmaa pwo before workout on cycle...

 

[Baked]

This is great. I'm new to the pH/DS but have ran injectable cycles in the past. I'm about to run a couple of these as a kicker to a test E cycle and this information was helpful.

 

[Jebrook]

This is great. I'm new to the pH/DS but have ran injectable cycles in the past. I'm about to run a couple of these as a kicker to a test E cycle and this information was helpful.

Awesome. Glad it was helpful bro.

 

[Hastur]

Just have to stop by and give props to Jebrook for the knowledge in this thread!

 

[Jebrook]

Just have to stop by and give props to Jebrook for the knowledge in this thread!

Thanks brotha. I'm cooking up some updates and additions if I ever get some spare time.

 

[All Creation]

So I am trying to decide between Epistane and Halo for my third cycle.

First cycle was Osta/Rad and second cycle was 1-Andro/Epiandro.

My goal is to cut weight, as I have a decent amount of bodyfat. Will Epi or Halo be better for this? I would prefer to just run a single compound for my first methyl cycle, but will both of these options require an aromatizing test base such as 4-Andro?

 

[AnabolicGuru]

So I am trying to decide between Epistane and Halo for my third cycle.

First cycle was Osta/Rad and second cycle was 1-Andro/Epiandro.

My goal is to cut weight, as I have a decent amount of bodyfat. Will Epi or Halo be better for this? I would prefer to just run a single compound for my first methyl cycle, but will both of these options require an aromatizing test base such as 4-Andro?

Epistane would be better imo, but the chances of gyno on it are worse due to rebound


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[Hastur]

So I am trying to decide between Epistane and Halo for my third cycle.

First cycle was Osta/Rad and second cycle was 1-Andro/Epiandro.

My goal is to cut weight, as I have a decent amount of bodyfat. Will Epi or Halo be better for this? I would prefer to just run a single compound for my first methyl cycle, but will both of these options require an aromatizing test base such as 4-Andro?

I absolutely loved Halo, and I wish it hadn't been banned here in the states. Mild, and effective. I've used both, and I'd pick Halo over Epi any day, especially for a first methyl cycle. I recomped well on it, you'll cut just fine with it! A test base is recommended, because your HPTA will be suppressed and you will have low Test/DHT/Estro levels, leading to lethargy with time, and diminish the overall gains you could have seen. So if it were myself, I'd use Halodrol/4-Andro, and the appropriate liver support (TUDCA), and then have a 4-week PCT planned following it containing a SERM such as Clomid, Nolvadex or Toremifene.

 

[oyvind]

So I am trying to decide between Epistane and Halo for my third cycle.

First cycle was Osta/Rad and second cycle was 1-Andro/Epiandro.

My goal is to cut weight, as I have a decent amount of bodyfat. Will Epi or Halo be better for this? I would prefer to just run a single compound for my first methyl cycle, but will both of these options require an aromatizing test base such as 4-Andro?

Go for halo bro. Safe and effective. Great for a first run, and great for a cut.
How about epi-Andro for test base?
I am actually running halo/epi-andro now, and I really feel great.
Seeing great result allready in end of week 3, and pumps are hysterical
Epi is a great product too, but would do epi later, and halo for first cycle.

 

[Jebrook]

I absolutely loved Halo, and I wish it hadn't been banned here in the states. Mild, and effective. I've used both, and I'd pick Halo over Epi any day, especially for a first methyl cycle. I recomped well on it, you'll cut just fine with it! A test base is recommended, because your HPTA will be suppressed and you will have low Test/DHT/Estro levels, leading to lethargy with time, and diminish the overall gains you could have seen. So if it were myself, I'd use Halodrol/4-Andro, and the appropriate liver support (TUDCA), and then have a 4-week PCT planned following it containing a SERM such as Clomid, Nolvadex or Toremifene.

Go for halo bro. Safe and effective. Great for a first run, and great for a cut.
How about epi-Andro for test base?
I am actually running halo/epi-andro now, and I really feel great.
Seeing great result allready in end of week 3, and pumps are hysterical
Epi is a great product too, but would do epi later, and halo for first cycle.

Great advice from both these gents. Personally, I would choose Epistane for a cut. Just my preference. Halo may be deemed more tolerable by most but Epistane is much drier fits very well into a cut. Epiandro is also a nice option for a test base for Halo and would aid your cut and contribute lean dry gains. With Epistane I would definitely opt for 4-andro as a base. You couldn't go wrong either way for a first methylated cycle IMO.

 

[saywutrly]

I'm running epistane right now, and FWIW, it hasn't been overtly harsh. I'm running it with LMG and using low doses of 4-andro and epiandro for a balanced base. This was my first cycle containing a methyl and it was dry enough that I've had visible recomp but I haven't noticed any big side effects. I kept my diet at maintenance and just increased cardio. You should be good to go for your cut. If you have the fundage, I would throw in some 11kt as well. OL just came out with a new one with a higher dose, and icon has a clone of an older 11kt product. This is very mild and a great cutting aid.

 

[All Creation]

Tons of great advice and info, thanks guys!

I am a little leery of Epistane and I don't mind taking things slowly and trying Halo first. I've already run Epiandro in my last cycle so I think that would be a good test base for me and help me see what the Halo is doing differently.

I have taurine and Cycle Assist already on the way and was considering TUDCA. Is that overkill for a mild compound like Halo? If it is recommended would 500mg a day be sufficient?

I also have Nolva and Exemestane on hand as well for PCT.

 

[Jebrook]

Tons of great advice and info, thanks guys!

I am a little leery of Epistane and I don't mind taking things slowly and trying Halo first. I've already run Epiandro in my last cycle so I think that would be a good test base for me and help me see what the Halo is doing differently.

I have taurine and Cycle Assist already on the way and was considering TUDCA. Is that overkill for a mild compound like Halo? If it is recommended would 500mg a day be sufficient?

I also have Nolva and Exemestane on hand as well for PCT.

I don't consider TUDCA overkill for anything that is methylated FYI. It's not strictly needed with Halo but definitely a nice addition.

 

[oyvind]

Tons of great advice and info, thanks guys!

I am a little leery of Epistane and I don't mind taking things slowly and trying Halo first. I've already run Epiandro in my last cycle so I think that would be a good test base for me and help me see what the Halo is doing differently.

I have taurine and Cycle Assist already on the way and was considering TUDCA. Is that overkill for a mild compound like Halo? If it is recommended would 500mg a day be sufficient?

I also have Nolva and Exemestane on hand as well for PCT.

Tudca is a great and necessary product. It's great at 5-600mg.

 

[criticalbench]

Tudca is a great and necessary product. It's great at 5-600mg.

Necessary? No. Ideal, yes.

Have you ever done pre/post blood work on the same hormone to justify it is absolutely needed? It didn't make a huge difference for me on dbol vs my tradition liver support. It helped, but not to a huge degree.

 

[oyvind]

Necessary? No. Ideal, yes.

Have you ever done pre/post blood work on the same hormone to justify it is absolutely needed? It didn't make a huge difference for me on dbol vs my tradition liver support. It helped, but not to a huge degree.

OK. ... I stand corrected bro
Tudca can be helpful, and I would recommend it
Better safe than sorry

 

[Wallet55]

I found Dienolone acetate on sale on a website. Considering it's a close relative to trenavar, would the dosage/effects be close to be the same? I'd put the powder in a carrier and run it transdermal.

 

[All Creation]

Are there any reputable brands of Halovar in the UK? I see Fusion Supplements and Nova Charge on one site, but Fusion has no reviews and Nova Charge has reviews all from the same day so that seems sketchy.

Not trying to source, just asking about brands that are gtg. Don't kill me, mods!

 

[oyvind]

Are there any reputable brands of Halovar in the UK? I see Fusion Supplements and Nova Charge on one site, but Fusion has no reviews and Nova Charge has reviews all from the same day so that seems sketchy.

Not trying to source, just asking about brands that are gtg. Don't kill me, mods!

I've tried them both bro fusion halodrol is good, but it's not halodrol really, but actually p-mag. It gave me a great bulk, and I really like p-mag, so for me it was not a problem
Nova Charge is ok, but maybe a little underdosed? Did a cycle of halodrol only at 100 - 150mg, and got great results
So, yeah I would say they're good to go in a way, as long as you know what you get

 

[hamdysayed]

I've tried them both bro fusion halodrol is good, but it's not halodrol really, but actually p-mag. It gave me a great bulk, and I really like p-mag, so for me it was not a problem
Nova Charge is ok, but maybe a little underdosed? Did a cycle of halodrol only at 100 - 150mg, and got great results
So, yeah I would say they're good to go in a way, as long as you know what you get

This sounds pretty bad .

 

[oyvind]

This sounds pretty bad .

He he

 

[MistrJay]

I've thought about running my first PH cycle as a 1/4/Epi-Andro cycle here in a few months once I get my diet under control and training all squared away. Is halodrol or DMZ good to replace any of them or just stick with the andros for a first cycle?

I will be adding in ar1macare pro for on cycle support.

 

[hamdysayed]

I've thought about running my first PH cycle as a 1/4/Epi-Andro cycle here in a few months once I get my diet under control and training all squared away. Is halodrol or DMZ good to replace any of them or just stick with the andros for a first cycle?

I will be adding in ar1macare pro for on cycle support.

If u do ur home work and have serm and ur cycle support in check u can go for halo not dmz though.

 

[DonaldPump]

I've thought about running my first PH cycle as a 1/4/Epi-Andro cycle here in a few months once I get my diet under control and training all squared away. Is halodrol or DMZ good to replace any of them or just stick with the andros for a first cycle?

I will be adding in ar1macare pro for on cycle support.

If u do ur home work and have serm and ur cycle support in check u can go for halo not dmz though.

^^this

I would personally suggest going with the andros first, I'm running a cycle now (my first) and it's going pretty well. Like hamdysayed said you can run the Halodrol if you take the time and research to ensure your running it safely, but would advice against dmz as a first cycle.

Andros for a first time cycle will NOT disappoint IMO

 

[MistrJay]

^^this

I would personally suggest going with the andros first, I'm running a cycle now (my first) and it's going pretty well. Like hamdysayed said you can run the Halodrol if you take the time and research to ensure your running it safely, but would advice against dmz as a first cycle.

Andros for a first time cycle will NOT disappoint IMO

Thanks to you both. I know the SERM and PCT I would like to run, but on cycle besides ar1macare pro and exemenstane I have no clue about.

 

[hamdysayed]

Thanks to you both. I know the SERM and PCT I would like to run, but on cycle besides ar1macare pro and exemenstane I have no clue about.

tudca and something additional for blood pressure cos methylated compounds can spike bp noticeably plus u have to eat clean on cycle as ur body dealing with all these ph, I made this mistake of just eating whatever and it messed me up.

 

[saywutrly]

I found Dienolone acetate on sale on a website. Considering it's a close relative to trenavar, would the dosage/effects be close to be the same? I'd put the powder in a carrier and run it transdermal.

Jealousy is running strong, brother. Nice find!

 

[All Creation]

I've tried them both bro fusion halodrol is good, but it's not halodrol really, but actually p-mag. It gave me a great bulk, and I really like p-mag, so for me it was not a problem
Nova Charge is ok, but maybe a little underdosed? Did a cycle of halodrol only at 100 - 150mg, and got great results
So, yeah I would say they're good to go in a way, as long as you know what you get

Yeah that is discouraging, haha. I guess I will keep researching for legit Halo.

 

[All Creation]

Also, how do you know Fusion's was Pmag rather than Halo?

 

[DonnieM]

Yeah that is discouraging, haha. I guess I will keep researching for legit Halo.

You should be able to find Olympus Labs Halo-100. Otherwise look for Dragon, Bodycon..., Brawn.

 

[oyvind]

Also, how do you know Fusion's was Pmag rather than Halo?

The label said so actually

 

[MistrJay]

tudca and something additional for blood pressure cos methylated compounds can spike bp noticeably plus u have to eat clean on cycle as ur body dealing with all these ph, I made this mistake of just eating whatever and it messed me up.

So you mean my bulletproof diet of fruit by the foot, poptarts and hot pockets won't be good on cycle? Lol.