Why aren't you taking Pro-nos?

thescience

thescience

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Wasnt mri pro-nos 30$/lb when it first came out? Regardless, it's 12$/ln now and it's everything they claim it is. Its like citrulline, viagra, a fat burner that actually burns fat, and protein powder all in one, and im paying less for it than i was for heliogen casein. Amazing.


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Not sure u can get it in a store anymore. Walgreens has free shipping


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MRI Proprietary Whey Blend, MRI Sunflower Oil/MCT Blend (Sunflower Oil, Corn Syrup Solids, Sodium Caseinate [A Milk Derivative], Mono- And Diglycerides, Di-Potassium Phosphate, Tri-Calcium Phosphate, Soy Lecithin, Tocopherols), Natural And Artificial Flavors, Cellulose Gum, Artificial Colors, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium (Ace-K), MCT Oil Powder (Medium Chain Triglycerides [MCT]), Nonfat Dry Milk, Di-Sodium Phosphate, Silicon Dioxide
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you're talking about a 3lbs "protein" product that is only 60% protein. Of course it's "only" $12/lbs.
 
VaughnTrue said:
you're talking about a 3lbs "protein" product that is only 60% protein. Of course it's "only" $12/lbs.
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Ouch. Still, gotta say i love it. Started Swelling up within three days on half the dose.




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thescience said:
Ouch. Still, gotta say i love it. Started Swelling up within three days on half the dose.




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it's protein, carbs, and fats...there is literally nothing in that formula that ANY other protein powder or a piece of chicken and mashed potatoes and gravy for that matter wouldn't do for you.

you're falling for a LARGE case of placebo here. just look at the ingredients one by one...


MRI Proprietary Whey Blend - NOTE THIS IS NOT WHEY PROTEIN, THIS IS WHAT THEY NAME THE FOLLOWING INGREDIENTS

MRI Sunflower Oil/MCT Blend (Sunflower Oil, Corn Syrup Solids, Sodium Caseinate [A Milk Derivative], Mono- And Diglycerides, Di-Potassium Phosphate, Tri-Calcium Phosphate, Soy Lecithin, Tocopherols) - a blend of fats(and some interesting ones at that) along with sodium caseinate protein. Mid grade level protein quality.

Natural And Artificial Flavors - flavoring.
Cellulose Gum - Thickening agent to give the product more "body"
Artificial Colors - Coloring to make it look purdy
Sucralose - zero calorie sweetener
Acesulfame Potassium (Ace-K) - zero calorie sweetener
MCT Oil Powder (Medium Chain Triglycerides [MCT]) - fats
Nonfat Dry Milk - literally powdered milk
Di-Sodium Phosphate - thickening agent + acid reducer
Silicon Dioxide - Makes running the powder through the machines easier



what in here do you think can cause you to "swell up" in only 3 days?
 
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Wtf is this


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So whats unique about it is that it has the enzymes added that dissolve arginine into n.o.. These enzymes are a rate limiting factor in n.o. Production. Im impressed to be getting the pump without having to down 8ga of a pump amino a day, and since we all have preset limitation on how many enzymes we can produce in a lifetime, im All for sparing that loss by supplementing them.

The other thing is that theyre only using medium length protein in this, mesning they filtered out the rest. I remember them claiming it took 20lbs of whey or something to make 1 lb of this. They state proteins of this length are condusive to fat burning


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thescience said:
So whats unique about it is that it has the enzymes added that dissolve arginine into n.o.. These enzymes are a rate limiting factor in n.o. Production. Im impressed to be getting the pump without having to down 8ga of a pump amino a day, and since we all have preset limitation on how many enzymes we can produce in a lifetime, im All for sparing that loss by zupplementing them.

The other thing is that theyre only using medium length protein in this, mesning they filtered out the rest. I remember them claiming it took 20lbs of whey to make 1 lb of this. They state proteins of this length are condusive to fat burning


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Arginine does not convert to Nitric Oxide when orally consumed. If you want a boost in Nitric Oxide, you can use Agmatine, Nitrates, or Citrulline and see an actual increase in nitric oxide production. Even WITH a massive increase in NO, no one is going to 'swell up" after 30 days, let alone 3 days.

how do you have medium length protein? 1g of casein(in this instance calcium caseinate) = 1g of casein unless it is hydrolyzed like peptopro, which is so ridiculously expensive, its crazy.


Dude, I'm glad you like the product, but you're either falling for the worst case of "placebo" I've literally ever seen, or you're affiliated with the company.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Arginine does not convert to Nitric Oxide when orally consumed. If you want a boost in Nitric Oxide, you can use Agmatine, Nitrates, or Citrulline and see an actual increase in nitric oxide production. Even WITH a massive increase in NO, no one is going to 'swell up" after 30 days, let alone 3 days.
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Im aware of studies on l-arginine being useless, although it was not administered simultaneously with actinos. Anyway, This is protein, not an isolated amino acid. Its beyond absurd to assume we dont get any benefit from the arginine in our food. Besides, knock arginine all u want, but if you want n.o., u need the enzyme in your body or supplementally. Citrulline, ornithine both covert to arginine; do the math

Actually, im not the only one around here who can perceive a pump after a few days. Happens all the time with -(-) epi users.





VaughnTrue said:
how do you have medium length protein? 1g of casein(in this instance calcium caseinate) = 1g of casein unless it is hydrolyzed like peptopro, which is so ridiculously expensive, its crazy.
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I dont "have" it bro. That's mri's claim. If your going to knock something u should at least read the product page, or heaven forbid try it for yourself. This stuff is pretty expensive, its not about hydrolyzation, they say they're filtering.



VaughnTrue said:
Dude, I'm glad you like the product, but you're either falling for the worst case of "placebo" I've literally ever seen, or you're affiliated with the company.
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i think both of your accusations are unwarrented. Considering youve taken a clear stance against somethi g youve neither tried or even glanced at the concerned product page , i'd say your comments are more indicative of bias. You still pushing potassium nitrate? Youre high if you think mri gives a rip about pushing product in forums; the company was sold to a medical company that's totally out of touch with the bodybuilding community; all they have going for them is some stuff ed byrd put together before he sold it to them


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VaughnTrue said:
it's protein, carbs, and fats...there is literally nothing in that formula that ANY other protein powder or a piece of chicken and mashed potatoes and gravy for that matter wouldn't do for you.

you're falling for a LARGE case of placebo here. just look at the ingredients one by one...


MRI Proprietary Whey Blend - NOTE THIS IS NOT WHEY PROTEIN, THIS IS WHAT THEY NAME THE FOLLOWING INGREDIENTS

MRI Sunflower Oil/MCT Blend (Sunflower Oil, Corn Syrup Solids, Sodium Caseinate [A Milk Derivative], Mono- And Diglycerides, Di-Potassium Phosphate, Tri-Calcium Phosphate, Soy Lecithin, Tocopherols) - a blend of fats(and some interesting ones at that) along with sodium caseinate protein. Mid grade level protein quality.

Natural And Artificial Flavors - flavoring.
Cellulose Gum - Thickening agent to give the product more "body"
Artificial Colors - Coloring to make it look purdy
Sucralose - zero calorie sweetener
Acesulfame Potassium (Ace-K) - zero calorie sweetener
MCT Oil Powder (Medium Chain Triglycerides [MCT]) - fats
Nonfat Dry Milk - literally powdered milk
Di-Sodium Phosphate - thickening agent + acid reducer
Silicon Dioxide - Makes running the powder through the machines easier



what in here do you think can cause you to "swell up" in only 3 days?
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Ok, so even though im insulted for being warrantlessly accused of bias and/or placeebo delusion, i have to admit that was a cool label breakdown. Still, at the end of the day im looking at the 42g's of protein per serving. You can talk caking agents the addition of other macronutrients all day like it makes up the whole formula, but the 42g's of protein are still right there on the label. I would attribute the pump to the added actinos. I felt mri no2 black was more potent than their no2 because of this addition. Im sorry, but the pump is undeniable; i can see the veins, im walking differently from it. Its ridiculously good


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thescience said:
Ok, so even though im insulted for being warrantlessly accused of bias and/or placeebo delusion, i have to admit that was a cool breakdown, but at the end of the day im looking at the 42g's of protein per serving. I would attribute the pump to the added actinos. I felt mri no2 black was more potent than their no2 because of this addition. Im sorry, but the pump is undeniable; i can see the veins, im walking differently from it. Its ridiculously good


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you're not being warrantless acused of anything. You're saying you're "feeling" and noticing results from literally protein/carbs/fats. You do realize that sounds ridiculous, right? That's like me saying "I just had thanksgiving dinner, my gains are crazy right now!"


Have you researched what actiNOS is? It's hydrolyzed whey protein. Can it increase NO 950% more so than placebo? I'm sure it can, considering a placebo does not increase nitric oxide. 950% more than 0 is...?
 
Actually, people do get pumps from carbs. Its not ridiculous. Alot of people take stuff like usplabs ap on that principle.

Regardless, i dont think you have enough of a case to claim mri is lying; its possible they hydrolyzed whey to the point where they could extract the relevant enzymes and it could still be broadly described that way. I dont think the extract is purely that enzyme, because in the uk it is used in pretty big dosages, but my guess would be there is just as much of it in pro-nos

For what its worth, i tried to get actinos alone without all the schwagg. I couldnt. Alex rogers at the protein factory had aomething like a whey extract that he claimed was far more potent than other pump products; it may have been similar to actinos; i didnt believe him at the time and never bought it

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thescience said:
Its beyond absurd to assume we dont get any benefit from the arginine in our food.
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It's "beyond absurd" to assume that the following, which you said, is true, so I have to assume it's incredible hyperbole:
"Its like citrulline, viagra, a fat burner that actually burns fat, and protein powder all in one."
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It's "beyond absurd" to assume that the following, which you said, is true, so I have to assume it's incredible hyperbole:
"Its like citrulline, viagra, a fat burner that actually burns fat, and protein powder all in one."
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Wow that all seems like a good deal at $12/lb
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It's "beyond absurd" to assume that the following, which you said, is true, so I have to assume it's incredible hyperbole:
"Its like citrulline, viagra, a fat burner that actually burns fat, and protein powder all in one."
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Well, viagra works by halting loss if n.o., whereas this provides the raw substance to produce it, ita got 42g's of protein a serving, so it makes zero sense why youde doubt its a protein powder, the pump is just as good as citrulline, and the fat burning i have to do further observation on since i have to wait and see if i the toning effect goes beyond what i usually notice from pump products


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thescience said:
Well, viagra works by halting loss if n.o., whereas this provides the raw substance to produce it, ita got 42g's of protein a serving, so it makes zero sense why youde doubt its a protein powder, the pump is just as good as citrulline, and the fat burning i have to do further observation on since i have to wait and see if i the toning effect goes beyond what i usually notice from pump products


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Viagra works because it's an extreme powerful PDE5 inhibitor.

"Toning effect"


I'm done in this thread. Dudes handle is "thescience" and is claiming an MRP (because this ISNT a "protein" powder at only 60% protein) is as good as viagra, citrulline, and more all from super secret special minuscule amounts of hydrolyzed whey protein fractions.


Best of luck OP.


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VaughnTrue said:
Viagra works because it's an extreme powerful PDE5 inhibitor.

"Toning effect"


I'm done in this thread. Dudes handle is "thescience" and is claiming an MRP (because this ISNT a "protein" powder at only 60% protein) is as good as viagra, citrulline, and more all from super secret special minuscule amounts of hydrolyzed whey protein fractions.


Best of luck OP.


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You tried, man.
 
VaughnTrue said:
you're falling for a LARGE case of placebo here. just look at the ingredients one by one...
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Hahahahaha agree 100%. Even though I think this thread is a huge waste of everyone's time, I thoroughly enjoyed reading the attempts to justify the product after it was explained and broken down so well by VaughnTrue. Thanks for the entertainment OP :)
 
I appreciate you guys chiming in (seriously). I felt like I was a crazy person yesterday with no one else chiming in. I went to like 5 different websites to view label info to make sure there wasn't something crazy in the formula that I was missing.


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VaughnTrue said:
I appreciate you guys chiming in (seriously). I felt like I was a crazy person yesterday with no one else chiming in. I went to like 5 different websites to view label info to make sure there wasn't something crazy in the formula that I was missing.


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Ahahaha. I was watching and pretty entertained, but usually when I see posts this stupid I just completely ignore them. Don't worry, you're not crazy!
 
VaughnTrue said:
I appreciate you guys chiming in (seriously). I felt like I was a crazy person yesterday with no one else chiming in. I went to like 5 different websites to view label info to make sure there wasn't something crazy in the formula that I was missing.


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Honestly you broke it down what more needed to be said. It might have some cell tech or pink magic in it.
 
VaughnTrue said:
I appreciate you guys chiming in (seriously). I felt like I was a crazy person yesterday with no one else chiming in. I went to like 5 different websites to view label info to make sure there wasn't something crazy in the formula that I was missing.
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My apologies for not chiming in earlier.... I was just having too much fun reading the back and forth haha. Your responses were on point, and the responding arguments to your facts were quite comical lmao
 
VaughnTrue said:
I appreciate you guys chiming in (seriously). I felt like I was a crazy person yesterday with no one else chiming in. I went to like 5 different websites to view label info to make sure there wasn't something crazy in the formula that I was missing.


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I looked it up and thought maybe they renamed the product and reformulated. Looked like a mediocre protein powder to me.
 
thescience said:
Well, viagra works by halting loss if n.o., whereas this provides the raw substance to produce it, ita got 42g's of protein a serving, so it makes zero sense why youde doubt its a protein powder, the pump is just as good as citrulline, and the fat burning i have to do further observation on since i have to wait and see if i the toning effect goes beyond what i usually notice from pump products


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Wow...

A chicken breast also has 42g protein per serving. Are you telling me that chicken is now better than citrulline, Viagra, and a fat-burner together?

I don't see how you're viewing this as anything besides a protein shake (or a meal replacement type shake).

VaughnTrue said:
I appreciate you guys chiming in (seriously). I felt like I was a crazy person yesterday with no one else chiming in. I went to like 5 different websites to view label info to make sure there wasn't something crazy in the formula that I was missing.


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I was a bit confused as well, haha.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Wow...

A chicken breast also has 42g protein per serving. Are you telling me that chicken is now better than citrulline, Viagra, and a fat-burner together?

I don't see how you're viewing this as anything besides a protein shake (or a meal replacement type shake).


I was a bit confused as well, haha.
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Again, people arent taking actinos into consideration.
 
VaughnTrue said:
I appreciate you guys chiming in (seriously). I felt like I was a crazy person yesterday with no one else chiming in. I went to like 5 different websites to view label info to make sure there wasn't something crazy in the formula that I was missing.


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Yeah, you need that chiming just to get off the mat, and honestly im surprized youre trying to. Im still waiting for you to tell me about the study done on arginine administered with actinos having no effect on n.o.; that would be something to back up your claims

Also, you could try backing up your claim that actinos doesnt contain the enzyme mri claims it does. You got nothing there too? Oh well, at least you have some fanboys who will love you, even if you dont have a leg to stand on
 
I see countrymike is lurking here
 
Also, im not so sure this product is worth the price you pay.

Its some fats and protein mixed together
 
VaughnTrue and I usually butt heads - but I gotta give mad props to you on this one my friend. The first ingredient is FAT, and the Casein is the worst quality Sodium (not even Calcium) Caseinate. They should pay the consumer $12 to take it off their hands :D Do they sell their MRI Fat Burner shrink wrapped to the tub? :D Best quality Whey Protein Concentrate/Miceller Casein can be had for ~$10/LB if you know where to look - do the legwork and profit! (in the physiological sense).
 
thescience said:
Again, people arent taking actinos into consideration.
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VaughnTrue said:
Explain to me how the whey protein hydrolysate which is actinose is able to impact lean body mass gains or even nitric oxide.

Please, I want to believe.
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thescience said:
Yeah, you need that chiming just to get off the mat, and honestly im surprized youre trying to. Im still waiting for you to tell me about the study done on arginine administered with actinos having no effect on n.o.; that would be something to back up your claims

Also, you could try backing up your claim that actinos doesnt contain the enzyme mri claims it does. You got nothing there too? Oh well, at least you have some fanboys who will love you, even if you dont have a leg to stand on
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I'm all for learning that I completely misjudged this supplement today.

I looked for any studies on "actiNOS" and I'm not really finding anything.




To show us all how smart you are and how stupid I am, why don't you post the study, or even just the abstract, which shows that actiNOS is powderful enough at the dose provided within PRO-NOS that would make protein powder better than "viagra/citrulline".


Once you can show that, I'll gladly admit that I was mistaken, you were right, and remove myself from this thread
 
This guy is advertising the product. The way he is doing it is kinda sleezy too. Saying the pump he gets from it and quoting studies. Anyonewho actually bought it would feel ripped off by now lol. Also i would consume this stuff for if it was 12$ for 5 lbs.
 
VaughnTrue said:
To show us all how smart you are and how stupid I am, why don't you post the study, or even just the abstract, which shows that actiNOS is powderful enough at the dose provided within PRO-NOS that would make protein powder better than "viagra/citrulline".
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I never said it was better or worse.
The viagra reference was an analogy; i realize some people have difficulty with abstract thinking, but it was a reference to a viagra "like" effect, such as one that may be exhibited by citrulline. Of course there are people who dont respond to viagra, and who respond better to citrulline

Anyway, I see you still havent supported either of your premises, which unfortunately constitutes your whole argument.
Im not getting paid to research mri crap for you; i went on here and stated an anecdotal experience, which you seem to feel threatened ($) by.

I will say this, ed byrd was a pioneer with some things that he did; he didnt just sell what was out there, he went out and found stuff. Thats why he's loaded and not some desperate shill that has to attack anything on a forum that could conceivably threaten profit margins
 
EMPIREMIND said:
This guy is advertising the product. The way he is doing it is kinda sleezy too. Saying the pump he gets from it and quoting studies. Anyonewho actually bought it would feel ripped off by now lol. Also i would consume this stuff for if it was 12$ for 5 lbs.
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I must work for 15 different supplement companies, because everytime i come on here and say i like something, someone hits me with that accusation.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
VaughnTrue and I usually butt heads - but I gotta give mad props to you on this one my friend. The first ingredient is FAT, and the Casein is the worst quality Sodium (not even Calcium) Caseinate. They should pay the consumer $12 to take it off their hands :D Do they sell their MRI Fat Burner shrink wrapped to the tub? :D Best quality Whey Protein Concentrate/Miceller Casein can be had for ~$10/LB if you know where to look - do the legwork and profit! (in the physiological sense).
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Yeah, i mean theyre definately cutting corners in those regards, but that doesnt mean it doesnt contain actinos or that the protein hasnt been extracted for medium chains.

That said, despite the glowing research. ive bounced from micellar casein to sodium and calcium caseinate in the past and it made absolutely no difference in my physique or workout
 
VaughnTrue said:
Explain to me how the whey protein hydrolysate which is actinose is able to impact lean body mass gains or even nitric oxide.

Please, I want to believe.
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I didnt attribute that to the actinos. I do notice recomp from things like citrulline where my shoulders and arms get bigger and my waist shrinks. Its possible the benefit im seeing relates to that, but it may just as well come from this protein being extracted for medium chain length. Also, i havent studied the oils added, so i cant rule that out
 
raul87 said:
Maybe he's a troll
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Or he just might pray to the God of actinos. If it was a super ingredient every preworkout would have it in it. All these sup companies are looking for that super ingredient if this was it , it would be in everything by now.
 
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