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L-Citrulline pre-workout only or every day? (and IMO better than CM)

so if a person is taking 4 grams of L-Cit vs a person take 6 grams of Cit Mal 2:1... there must be more benefits to the Cit Mal when Cit Mal content is equal unless Malate has zero or negative benefits.
 
VaughnTrue said:
yup I agree(per usual) with you.


This is just yet another reason why I prefer L-Citrulline. There's no questioning it. 1g=1g.
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That's cool, but I guess my point is that the addition of Malic Acid has a study, plain L-Cit doesn't (as far as weightlifters and reps go, it does have benefits solo in other areas).
 
alexoc949 said:
so if a person is taking 4 grams of L-Cit vs a person take 6 grams of Cit Mal 2:1... there must be more benefits to the Cit Mal when Cit Mal content is equal unless Malate has zero or negative benefits.
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Look up Malic Acid benefits. It's a food preservative mostly, but is found in fruits and contributes to energy production.
 
alexoc949 said:
so if a person is taking 4 grams of L-Cit vs a person take 6 grams of Cit Mal 2:1... there must be more benefits to the Cit Mal when Cit Mal content is equal unless Malate has zero or negative benefits.
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Malic Acid definitely has benefits, but it needs to be dosed pretty darn high ~2-3g+(when used alone) to replicate animal studies. I am not sure of any human studies off hand.


Regardless, if you're getting in 4g Citrulline or 6g of 2:1 Cit Malate(as in actual 2:1, and not 1:1 like the majority of companies unfortunately use), you're going to have a great result from it IMO.
 
So it's more a question about cost effectiveness it seems.

As solo L-Cit is a bit more expensive per gram than Cit Mal... However if you're looking at just the citrulline cost, L-Cit solo is less expensive per gram of citullline than the cost of citrulline in Cit Mal (i think i typed that right)

Is the malic acid in Cit Mal worth the extra cost could be the question... assuming that you are aiming for the same amount of Citrulline per serving.

If that is the case, It doesn't seem like it's reasonable to say that L-Cit is better than Cit Mal unless they are speaking on just cost effectiveness.
 
equal grams is what people are talking about.

4 grams of L-Cit vs 4 grams of Cit Mal...

I've always taken cit mal and accounted for the Citrulline content ... so your 4 grams solo is my 6 grams cit mal... maybe 4 grams vs 4 grams L-cit is better

i get it.
 
alexoc949 said:
Is the malic acid in Cit Mal worth the extra cost could be the question...
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L-Citrulline and Malic Acid, in the form of Citrulline Malate, is the only thing studied in humans, *as far as athletes doing reps with weights* is concerned - as far as I can find (The Stimol study). So I'd say yes, the "cost" of the Malic Acid is worth it. I put that in quotes because the tub of CM I got from SNS in the summer, is still half full at 9g per workout.... it's cheap. Solo is L-Citrulline is great too, but I'd need to see an *athletes doing reps with weights* study, to compare them.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
They have both shown benefits, but IIRC only 8g of Citrulline Malate was tested in weight lifting athletes. I think plain L-Citrulline was tested on normal incline walkers with a statistically insignificant improvement (as far as "performance" goes - Solo L-Cit has other benefits).
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I posted a few resistance/endurance/performance training studies here:
David Dunn said:
its is not just for pumps...

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I stick with Kaged Muscle
Bulk l cit. love the stuff. Usually workout days when I'm using a powder like core burner.
 
The Japanese brand is clinically tested.
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Yeah, the question is why wouldn't CM be better than C given an equivalent dose of citrulline in both.

I'm not sure. I can state personally that while I did not notice much from CM at 3, 6, or 8g, I have absolutely noticed increased energy/fatigue blunting (most noticeable effect), increased pump, AND increased erection quality from Citrulline at 4-8+ g per day. I even noticed the energy boost from citrulline at 3g when I first tried it, and it was very noticeable and pronounced compared to CM. I noticed incredible fatigue blunting and energizing properties from C that I just did not see from CM.

I am guessing it's probably one of the following:

- C works better than CM for some reason (perhaps it is absorbed better when not bonded to malic acid?)
- The dose of C I've been using is higher than what is in CM (though not at first)
- Though I'm getting both from the same source, maybe the C is somehow higher quality?
- I don't respond well to malic acid
- Placebo (highly doubt it but of course it's possible)

Energy levels are somewhat subjective, so is pump to a degree, but erection quality I think is easier to measure.
CM = no noticeable effect on erection strength
C = very definite harder / fuller erections, and the study that was done where 50% of men saw an increase in erection quality was also done on C.
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Justlooking5 said:
Yeah, the question is why wouldn't CM be better than C given an equivalent dose of citrulline in both.

I'm not sure. I can state personally that while I did not notice much from CM at 3, 6, or 8g, I have absolutely noticed increased energy/fatigue blunting (most noticeable effect), increased pump, AND increased erection quality from Citrulline at 4-8+ g per day. I even noticed the energy boost from citrulline at 3g when I first tried it, and it was very noticeable and pronounced compared to CM. I noticed incredible fatigue blunting and energizing properties from C that I just did not see from CM.

I am guessing it's probably one of the following:

- C works better than CM for some reason (perhaps it is absorbed better when not bonded to malic acid?)
- The dose of C I've been using is higher than what is in CM (though not at first)
- Though I'm getting both from the same source, maybe the C is somehow higher quality?
- I don't respond well to malic acid
- Placebo (highly doubt it but of course it's possible)

Energy levels are somewhat subjective, so is pump to a degree, but erection quality I think is easier to measure.
CM = no noticeable effect on erection strength
C = very definite harder / fuller erections, and the study that was done where 50% of men saw an increase in erection quality was also done on C.
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Do you know if the cm you were using was 2:1 or 1:1?
 
Interesting. I've noticed endurance and pump from cm, not much a boost in erection strength. Never taken l-cit solo outside of it being in a pwo already. I usually take 6 to 8 grams cm preworkout. Interesting feedback
 
Justlooking5 said:
Yeah, the question is why wouldn't CM be better than C given an equivalent dose of citrulline in both.

I'm not sure. I can state personally that while I did not notice much from CM at 3, 6, or 8g, I have absolutely noticed increased energy/fatigue blunting (most noticeable effect), increased pump, AND increased erection quality from Citrulline at 4-8+ g per day. I even noticed the energy boost from citrulline at 3g when I first tried it, and it was very noticeable and pronounced compared to CM. I noticed incredible fatigue blunting and energizing properties from C that I just did not see from CM.

I am guessing it's probably one of the following:

- C works better than CM for some reason (perhaps it is absorbed better when not bonded to malic acid?)
- The dose of C I've been using is higher than what is in CM (though not at first)
- Though I'm getting both from the same source, maybe the C is somehow higher quality?
- I don't respond well to malic acid
- Placebo (highly doubt it but of course it's possible)

Energy levels are somewhat subjective, so is pump to a degree, but erection quality I think is easier to measure.
CM = no noticeable effect on erection strength
C = very definite harder / fuller erections, and the study that was done where 50% of men saw an increase in erection quality was also done on C.
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um...like I said... :D

Nice results.
 
David Dunn said:
um...like I said... :D

Nice results.
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I should probably try it before any more commenting - just ordered 100 grams bulk - good for 16 workouts at 6g. I'll see if I notice any differences from CM, although the "flagpole" test can't be improved upon, IMO :)
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I should probably try it before any more commenting - just ordered 100 grams bulk - good for 16 workouts at 6g. I'll see if I notice any differences from CM, although the "flagpole" test can't be improved upon, IMO :)
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Update on this: Haven't noticed anything different from CM.
 
Yep, I have just taken as a pre work out 2 BCAA, 2400mg, 2 Test Reload, 1 Nitric Oxide 500 mg, L- 1Citrulline Malate 500 mg 1 D-Aspartic Acid 500 mg, and 1 Tribulus Terrestris. All capsules. My work out was phenomenal, but is this combination safe to take at the same time?
 
Building12 said:
Yep, I have just taken as a pre work out 2 BCAA, 2400mg, 2 Test Reload, 1 Nitric Oxide 500 mg, L- 1Citrulline Malate 500 mg 1 D-Aspartic Acid 500 mg, and 1 Tribulus Terrestris. All capsules. My work out was phenomenal, but is this combination safe to take at the same time?
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500mg NO?

Maybe someone can help me, but how is it possible that he took 500mg of Nitric Oxide? That's not right, right? Am I just losing my mind?
 
Building12 said:
Yep, I have just taken as a pre work out 2 BCAA, 2400mg, 2 Test Reload, 1 Nitric Oxide 500 mg, L- 1Citrulline Malate 500 mg 1 D-Aspartic Acid 500 mg, and 1 Tribulus Terrestris. All capsules. My work out was phenomenal, but is this combination safe to take at the same time?
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you're good
 
The recommended dosage is 3 capsules before work out . The product is made by Basic Health on ebay. check it out.
 
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