SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

[warpyfunch]

Hmm, I had never considered this as a possibility. I AM training westside and continued to train/max out while I had the flu - I got a cold sore recently which certainly suggests that I've been putting too much stress on my body. My previous best 10RM deadlift was somewhere around 335 and I hit 2x10 of 365 on Thursday - even though I was about to throw up halfway through.

I'll look into some cortisol control. Any suggestions?

this one can go a lot of ways here, but vit C, b; higher amounts of B5 over B6 & B12 but a good complex is fine and omega 3's are helpful. as far as what is the name of product X that will do this, hate to get into a well this one is better than that one. imo, good daily vit with the above add in C and the omega's

I've always used Reduce XT for cortisol control, and have been happy with it. Arimistane is another option.

 

[dronkey]

I've always used Reduce XT for cortisol control, and have been happy with it. Arimistane is another option.

I've got arimacare pro on hand so I'll give that a shot since it has arimistane / cortisol control. Though I'm slightly worried about crushing my estro since LGD can decrease estro - though I've heard that arimistane is a pretty damn weak AI so it shouldn't be a problem

 

[1test]

Just wanted to share my recent experience.
Only been on ostarine and gw for ~3 weeks now stacked with eca and this is the only way I'm going to cut from now on!

 

[kboxer7]

Just wanted to share my recent experience.
Only been on ostarine and gw for ~3 weeks now stacked with eca and this is the only way I'm going to cut from now on!

The ability of osta to retain muscle during a cut is pretty outstanding imo.

 

[jmaplewood]

Just wanted to share my recent experience.
Only been on ostarine and gw for ~3 weeks now stacked with eca and this is the only way I'm going to cut from now on!

What deficit are you at? What kind of results?

 

[jmyers]

Just wanted to share my recent experience.
Only been on ostarine and gw for ~3 weeks now stacked with eca and this is the only way I'm going to cut from now on!

Osta and cardarine is the best cutting stack

 

[smith_69]

until they use RAD140- muuuhaaaaa

 

[yates84]

until they use RAD140- muuuhaaaaa

Or osta kicked off by rad...

 

[liftingamber12]

until they use RAD140- muuuhaaaaa

I liked using them together. I honestly feel like the Osta helped me keep what the RAD helped me put on, but also helped lean me back out for the second half of my run.

 

[jmyers]

Or osta kicked off by rad...

Will be trying as my next stack

 

[smith_69]

I liked using them together. I honestly feel like the Osta helped me keep what the RAD helped me put on, but also helped lean me back out for the second half of my run.

did you notice real gains with Rad? let me rephrase- have u used lgd? if so where the gains similar? i have read that using rad and lg could result in some nice size, but i dont know- thats a lot of things that can wrong really quick

 

[smith_69]

Will be trying as my next stack

nice, hey jm, are you going to log it or keep some notes ?

 

[liftingamber12]

did you notice real gains with Rad? let me rephrase- have u used lgd? if so where the gains similar? i have read that using rad and lg could result in some nice size, but i dont know- thats a lot of things that can wrong really quick

I did. I was hitting PR's pretty consistently, and had some nice body comp improvements too. I have not run lgd.

 

[Burnfire]

I did. I was hitting PR's pretty consistently, and had some nice body comp improvements too. I have not run lgd.

I'm trying to get my girl to run some RAD with her dermacrine

 

[smith_69]

interesting- for cutting or strength- both

 

[1test]

What deficit are you at? What kind of results?

I always shoot for -200-300 cals below maintenance but this was more of a experiment just to see osta's effect.
I think I was below 5-600 from my maintenance or even lower some days. Results sure were much quicker than what I usually see.

 

[jmyers]

nice, hey jm, are you going to log it or keep some notes ?

As always I'll start a log, but will adjust accordingly due to priorities. Don't know when I'm going to run it. Probably pushing it off now for another 4 weeks. Getting blood work done this Monday from my last cycle. That will determine when I start my next cycle. Still not feeling 100% recovered, so I'll start when I'm absolutely ready

 

[cheeky1]

I always shoot for -200-300 cals below maintenance but this was more of a experiment just to see osta's effect.
I think I was below 5-600 from my maintenance or even lower some days. Results sure were much quicker than what I usually see.

Have you cut before & if so did you find you had more endurance/energy using Card/GW than you would have experienced otherwise?
Obviously the ECA stack is going to give you some pep, but the difference should still be noticeable...

 

[sanmarino]

yates84 did you already start YK-11?
Got liver and cholesterol values (not mine) from that compound. First five days 2.5mg/ed (together with 10mg/ed Ostarine), following four weeks with 5mg/ed.
The user is going to stack LGD and MK-677 with YK-11 for another 4-5 weeks and doing bloods again. I hope there will be more than just the liver values...

Sorry in advance, I had to crop the picture because of the upload limitations.

Results:

On the first look, it seems promising - at least regarding for the liver. The cholesterol is already over the upper limit. The liver increases slightly after five weeks. 2.5mg/ed for 10 weeks could be possible, without any guarantees. There aren't that much bloods out there, yet. This could be interesting, if someone wants to take the most possible value regarding myostatine. For anabolic or androgenic effects there are many other compounds out there

The user currently cuts. Started with 105kg@10% fat mass (182cm). Acutally - after nearly five weeks - 109kg@8%.

Arms at start: 46cm
Arms acutally: 48cm

Legs at start: 72cm
Legs actually: 74cm

Waist at start: 82cm
Waist actually: 84cm

Excercise weights increased: bench, lift, squat ca. 10% more or less. This is insane.

Some others told me that the strength is enormous (10mg/ed) but don't have any bloods done.

Are there any user of AM, which used YK-11 in the meantime and/or did bloods?

 

[yates84]

yates84 did you already start YK-11?
Got liver and cholesterol values (not mine) from that compound. First five days 2.5mg/ed (together with 10mg/ed Ostarine), following four weeks with 5mg/ed.
The user is going to stack LGD and MK-677 with YK-11 for another 4-5 weeks and doing bloods again. I hope there will be more than just the liver values...

Sorry in advance, I had to crop the picture because of the upload limitations.

Results:
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On the first look, it seems promising - at least regarding for the liver. The cholesterol is already over the upper limit. The liver increases slightly after five weeks. 2.5mg/ed for 10 weeks could be possible, without any guarantees. There aren't that much bloods out there, yet. This could be interesting, if someone wants to take the most possible value regarding myostatine. For anabolic or androgenic effects there are many other compounds out there

The user currently cuts. Started with 105kg@10% fat mass (182cm). Acutally - after nearly five weeks - 109kg@8%.

Arms at start: 46cm
Arms acutally: 48cm

Legs at start: 72cm
Legs actually: 74cm

Waist at start: 82cm
Waist actually: 84cm

Excercise weights increased: bench, lift, squat ca. 10% more or less. This is insane.

Some others told me that the strength is enormous (10mg/ed) but don't have any bloods done.

Are there any user of AM, which used YK-11 in the meantime and/or did bloods?

Great info as always! I ended up going with the classic test/mast/tren cycle this time around but still have the yk11 in the stash. I would love to see more info about this before I use yk11 myself. My gineau pig days are about over, getting g too old to keep messing around.

 

[sanmarino]

Great info as always! I ended up going with the classic test/mast/tren cycle this time around but still have the yk11 in the stash. I would love to see more info about this before I use yk11 myself. My gineau pig days are about over, getting g too old to keep messing around.

Ah, nice. Effective stack
Yeah, same thoughts as mine. I would like to see more bloods before starting it for myself haha

I will keep you updated.

 

[1test]

Have you cut before & if so did you find you had more endurance/energy using Card/GW than you would have experienced otherwise?
Obviously the ECA stack is going to give you some pep, but the difference should still be noticeable...

Yes. I do small cuts year around, mostly 4-6 weeks. This is one was actually for my bulk cycle with test and sdrol just so I'm at a good starting point which will be bridged from this one.
Endurance wise I'm not quite sure what to say, I'm not a cardio person but right now I do get two cardio days a week accompanied by some stretching and foam rolling. I feel like my I can go longer in my strength sessions which could just be placebo too!

 

[1test]

Have you cut before & if so did you find you had more endurance/energy using Card/GW than you would have experienced otherwise?
Obviously the ECA stack is going to give you some pep, but the difference should still be noticeable...

Eca in particular does not provide me with any drastic changes since I live on stimulants year round.

 

[nick76]

Is Ostarine still regarded as being non-toxic to the liver? Swear I saw some screwed up liver values on another forum but just wanna see what the general consensus is here.

 

[kboxer7]

Is Ostarine still regarded as being non-toxic to the liver? Swear I saw some screwed up liver values on another forum but just wanna see what the general consensus is here.

It does have some impact on the liver, which tend to be both dose and user specific.

I haven't seen any liver values that made me go "holy hell" though.

 

[datsthat]

So my buddy is about done with osta @ 20mg, but last week was @ 25mg w/ 4 pumps dermacrine. The only side effect that he noticed was the need to take a nap after work, but this wasn't until near the end of run. He also had 2 night sweats, but since he has had them before, we don't know if its related to osta. He started with above TDEE and ended with cut. He doesn't track macros so he isn't sure how many calories consumed.

He has lost about 10-15 lbs, few BF%, muscles got firmer and more defined, strength continued to increase. Few more days then PCT (clomid & Super PCT).

Next is LGD after little over 2 months break.

 

[yates84]

So my buddy is about done with osta @ 20mg, but last week was @ 25mg w/ 4 pumps dermacrine. The only side effect that he noticed was the need to take a nap after work, but this wasn't until near the end of run. He also had 2 night sweats, but since he has had them before, we don't know if its related to osta. He started with above TDEE and ended with cut. He doesn't track macros so he isn't sure how many calories consumed.

He has lost about 10-15 lbs, few BF%, muscles got firmer and more defined, strength continued to increase. Few more days then PCT (clomid & Super PCT).

Next is LGD after little over 2 months break.

Sounds like a successful run!

 

[cheeky1]

So my buddy is about done with osta @ 20mg, but last week was @ 25mg w/ 4 pumps dermacrine. The only side effect that he noticed was the need to take a nap after work, but this wasn't until near the end of run. He also had 2 night sweats, but since he has had them before, we don't know if its related to osta. He started with above TDEE and ended with cut. He doesn't track macros so he isn't sure how many calories consumed.

He has lost about 10-15 lbs, few BF%, muscles got firmer and more defined, strength continued to increase. Few more days then PCT (clomid & Super PCT).

Next is LGD after little over 2 months break.

Good result :thumbsup:

 

[datsthat]

Sounds like a successful run!

Yes, I would have to agree. The osta and pct was actually mine, but I sold it to him once I got on TRT. Thank you for your help with that:thumbsup:

Good result :thumbsup:

Yes it is. He is trying to undo many years of abuse on his body as he recently started working out again (last June) which I knew was impossible, but ostar1ne sure helped a bunch.

He would have succeeded more if he put in more work, but due to his personal life, he did what he could. His next run (LGD) will be different as he plans to give it his all and leave nothing on the table.

 

[BigGame84]

Board sponsors have sales on Focus Nutrition YK-11. Anybody with any experience in that? Is the brand legit?

 

[sanmarino]

Short question: which color does the Ostar1ne pill have?

 

[yates84]

Short question: which color does the Ostar1ne pill have?

Old bottles the pills were white and the new bottles the pills are an aqua blue color

 

[1test]

Short question: which color does the Ostar1ne pill have?

Wondering how it matters. Care to elaborate or were you making sure ?

 

[dronkey]

Old bottles the pills were white and the new bottles the pills are an aqua blue color

It's just a slight shade lighter than the ar1macarepro lol easy to confuse them!!

 

[sanmarino]

Wondering how it matters. Care to elaborate or were you making sure ?

Was just asking because some people told me that the "white version" worked (slightly) better. But I honestly can't say about that because I never used these two versions before. Was just curious. Don't want to make speculations. Just a simple question.

 

[1test]

Was just asking because some people told me that the "white version" worked (slightly) better. But I honestly can't say about that because I never used these two versions before. Was just curious. Don't want to make speculations. Just a simple question.

Hmm okay
I have the blue ones, and personally I think they are better than the rc I used before

 

[warpyfunch]

Was just asking because some people told me that the "white version" worked (slightly) better. But I honestly can't say about that because I never used these two versions before. Was just curious. Don't want to make speculations. Just a simple question.

I've used both... no difference.

 

[yates84]

I've used both... no difference.

Same here. Both were lab tested and both have exactly 5mg per cap.

 

[BamBam0319]

I have also used both versions of Ostar1ne and both have proven effective.

 

[sektelsnor]

I have been reading a lot about Ostarine and there is a lot of information to digest and some of it is conflicting / has left me confused so I have some (maybe basic) questions. I am going to get my blood test before taking this for the first time.

Starting dosage and increase plan for a 160lb male?

What do I need on hand in case of lowered test levels or other potential harmful sides? (SERM, AI, etc)

Any signs of aforementioned low test / sides that I should be looking out for?

Should I avoid anything while I take Ostarine? (Alcohol, any other supps, etc)

After I complete a six week cycle what should I do to maintain / make sure I am healthy?

How long should I wait before cycling again?

Thanks

 

[warpyfunch]

I have been reading a lot about Ostarine and there is a lot of information to digest and some of it is conflicting / has left me confused so I have some (maybe basic) questions. I am going to get my blood test before taking this for the first time.

Starting dosage and increase plan for a 160lb male?

What do I need on hand in case of lowered test levels or other potential harmful sides? (SERM, AI, etc)

Any signs of aforementioned low test / sides that I should be looking out for?

Should I avoid anything while I take Ostarine? (Alcohol, any other supps, etc)

After I complete a six week cycle what should I do to maintain / make sure I am healthy?

How long should I wait before cycling again?

Thanks

15 or 20mg for 8 weeks. No need to taper up, just pick which sounds better and run it the whole time. I like split dosing, but once a day is fine. Ostarine takes a while to really kick in, so I think to get the most out of your run 8 weeks is more ideal than 6.

You absolutely need a SERM for PCT. Excellent idea to keep exemestane on hand for potential estrogen issues.

It will suppress your test during the cycle and there's nothing you can do about that. Some water retention is possible, but nothing severe.

Never a good idea to drink alcohol on any cycle. Don't bother with any 'natural' anabolics on cycle, as it would be kind of a waste.

After your cycle, run a good PCT. A month or two after PCT, get bloodwork done. (note: I am a total hypocrite about bloodwork.) Continue lifting hard and heavy post cycle to keep your gains. Eat well.

Time on + PCT = Time off. So 8 weeks on + 4 weeks PCT = 12 weeks off.

Here's a link to my current cycle for some examples of supports and pct. I'm stacking osta and rad right now, but it all applies to an osta solo run as well. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/270011-sarms-mk-gw-117.html#post5216920

Also, do yourself a huge favor and read through this entire thread. It's quite long, but worth your time, and by the end of it you'll have a phd in sarms. There's info about all different sarms, but I'd say a good 60% of it is focused on ostarine.

 

[Toren]

Was just asking because some people told me that the "white version" worked (slightly) better. But I honestly can't say about that because I never used these two versions before. Was just curious. Don't want to make speculations. Just a simple question.

I've used both and actually had slightly better results with the blue pills (@ 20 mg), vs the white/blue pills (@ 25 mg). My training was probably a bit more on point though so take that for what it's worth. What I will say is that the white/blue capsules were better quality than the blue capsules. The blue caps are thinner/cheaper and more prone to cracking and leaking. I also found the 'volume consistency' was irregular with the blue caps but I still got great results, so what can I say. It's really my only complaint with OL, which is why my cupboard is stocked with their products.

 

[YouBet33]

yates84 and anyone else feel free to comment. I want a longer cycle for summer , I have considered many options and I think I've decided on a final one, just want some input on what people think. I want to bridge 8 weeks of OL osta and dermacrine into 8 weeks of LGD/4ad/epiandro. Would run a 6 week pct after.

Osta 25/25/25/25/25/25/25/25/0/0/0/0/0/0
Derm
4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
LGD 0/0/0/0/0/0/4/4/8/8/8/8/8/8
Epiandro 0/0/0/0/0/0/1000,1000,1000,1000,1000,1000,1000,1000
4ad
0/0/0/0/0/0/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300

Just a crazy idea while I was at work tonight, let me know what you think

 

[cheeky1]

I have been reading a lot about Ostarine and there is a lot of information to digest and some of it is conflicting / has left me confused so I have some (maybe basic) questions. I am going to get my blood test before taking this for the first time.

Starting dosage and increase plan for a 160lb male?

What do I need on hand in case of lowered test levels or other potential harmful sides? (SERM, AI, etc)

Any signs of aforementioned low test / sides that I should be looking out for?

Should I avoid anything while I take Ostarine? (Alcohol, any other supps, etc)

After I complete a six week cycle what should I do to maintain / make sure I am healthy?

How long should I wait before cycling again?

Thanks

warpyfunch is pretty spot on.

Personally, I use a natty test booster with osta, then an OTC pct + test booster to follow (alternating the primary compounds). Some guys get very noticeable suppression & this happens within about 3 weeks, others get very little suppression. Regardless, once the cycle is over your body will return to homeostasis in it's own good time.

Allow at least 2 weeks for osta to kick in, it does take awhile.

 

[cheeky1]

yates84 and anyone else feel free to comment. I want a longer cycle for summer , I have considered many options and I think I've decided on a final one, just want some input on what people think. I want to bridge 8 weeks of OL osta and dermacrine into 8 weeks of LGD/4ad/epiandro. Would run a 6 week pct after.

Osta 25/25/25/25/25/25/25/25/0/0/0/0/0/0
Derm
4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4
LGD 0/0/0/0/0/0/4/4/8/8/8/8/8/8
Epiandro 0/0/0/0/0/0/1000,1000,1000,1000,1000,1000,1000,1000
4ad
0/0/0/0/0/0/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300

Just a crazy idea while I was at work tonight, let me know what you think

Geez that's a lot of epiandro. Maybe drop that to 400 - 500mg while using dermacrine, then ramp it up once dermacrine is finished.

Interesting cycle :thumbsup:

 

[YouBet33]

Geez that's a lot of epiandro. Maybe drop that to 400 - 500mg while using dermacrine, then ramp it up once dermacrine is finished.

Interesting cycle :thumbsup:

Saw in Yates andro guide that it could be ran up to 1000, Maybe I'll start around the 500-600 rang and ramp up from there

 

[yates84]

Saw in Yates andro guide that it could be ran up to 1000, Maybe I'll start around the 500-600 rang and ramp up from there

What kind of epiandro? Makes a huge difference in dosing whether the andro is enhanced absorption ( sedds, cyclosomes, lyposomes ) or not.

 

[YouBet33]

What kind of epiandro? Makes a huge difference in dosing whether the andro is enhanced absorption ( sedds, cyclosomes, lyposomes ) or not.

The new OL epiando Coming out here shortly of course

 

[cheeky1]

The new OL epiando Coming out here shortly of course

Mmmm, defs want more info on that!

 

[yates84]

The new OL epiando Coming out here shortly of course

2 caps will probably be more than enough. I definitely wouldn't go over 3 caps of our new epiandro. The gram a day dosage was based on raw, unenhanced epiandro. The sedds delivery will make it at least twice as effective as raw epiandro.