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I'm on Phosphatidic acid Ya'll

Is soy lecithin granules the one to buy? I have a vendor that sells "Bio-lecithin" which contents 100% lecithin granules from soybeans.

15g (2tbs) = choline 350 mg, inositol 340 mg, Phospholipids 14550 mg. so its around 98--99% Phospholipids per 100g. It does not stand how much is PA.
 
machinehead said:
The one you listed looks good. They don't standardize for PA but there is 4-8% in it.
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So you think I can buy it and still get my PA amount even though its not standardized? Otherwise I found on Amazon UK, "Optima health lecithin granules", which have been recommended in this thread.
 
Pec.Major said:
local vendor is always easier/faster to get. :)
It is recommended to take one serving pre-workout and one post-workout, correct? thats around 28g fat. a lot of fat. :D
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All we have to go by is Wilson's *one* study that showed an ergogenic benefit. In that, they did 450mg PrWO, and 300mg Post. As long as you are doing that, you should see a benefit (besides SL being healthy overall). More is probably better, but we don't know where the dose-response curve plateaus. Fearn is 8g Fat per 2 Tbs, guess your brand is more.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
All we have to go by is Wilson's *one* study that showed an ergogenic benefit. In that, they did 450mg PrWO, and 300mg Post. As long as you are doing that, you should see a benefit (besides SL being healthy overall). More is probably better, but we don't know where the dose-response curve plateaus. Fearn is 8g Fat per 2 Tbs, guess your brand is more.
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Alright.

Yes, 1 Tbs is (7,5g) which is 7g fat. 2 Tbs per day should be good then? One pre and one post?
 
Pec.Major said:
Alright.

Yes, 1 Tbs is (7,5g) which is 7g fat. 2 Tbs per day should be good then? One pre and one post?
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That would be the bare minimum for a completely accurate label PA content. For instance, Fearn says 2 Tbs gets you 1200mg of PA, but most here only count it as 600mg. I'd say go at least 3Tbs personally.
 
Got my package. It went super fast! Tried 15mg, and it tasted alright. Will do 20-25mg on workout days and 15mg rest days. How do you guys dose this on workout days? 2-3hours before training with food or closer to training without food?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Tbh, it shouldn't be something you "notice" working (much like HICA, forskolin, etc). It just does
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hmmm....so "it just does" work, but it something you shouldn't "notice" working? I like the science behind this. You might win a Nobel Peace prize this is truly ground breaking! God bless you brother!
 
bert45 said:
hmmm....so "it just does" work, but it something you shouldn't "notice" working? I like the science behind this. You might win a Nobel Peace prize this is truly ground breaking! God bless you brother!
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I'm not sure if you're joking (my internet-text sarcasm detector doesn't function well in the morning) but he's not saying that "it just does" is the science behind the supplements or the MOA, just that even if you don't really "feel" anything, it can still be working. It can be hard to "feel" or "notice" something that isn't going to have a real obvious acute effect unless you're pretty diligent about tracking progression over time. There's science stuff that explains why and how it works, haha.
 
bert45 said:
hmmm....so "it just does" work, but it something you shouldn't "notice" working? I like the science behind this. You might win a Nobel Peace prize this is truly ground breaking! God bless you brother!
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Maybe the Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine... but probably not the peace prize. Bravo on this quip almost two years in the making. ??
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm not sure if you're joking (my internet-text sarcasm detector doesn't function well in the morning) but he's not saying that "it just does" is the science behind the supplements or the MOA, just that even if you don't really "feel" anything, it can still be working. It can be hard to "feel" or "notice" something that isn't going to have a real obvious acute effect unless you're pretty diligent about tracking progression over time. There's science stuff that explains why and how it works, haha.
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If look really hard for stuff that's not there, you will find it eventually.
 
T-Bone said:
What is ""?. Am I suppose to be seeing an emoji? I don't get it either. PA doesn't really interest me much, seems to be a fad and once people lose interest or find something deemed better by the AM collective it will go away.
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Yeah I'm on the iPhone app maybe it's just seen on that. I tried micro-pa last year when it first came out and it didn't do much for me. I haven't given the granules a real run yet, but I'm going to. Have you tried them yet or just not interested as a whole
 
I would look into TR1UMPH by olympus labs. They just released it and it has 913mg of Phoshpatidic acid along with a ton of other anabolic and ergogenic ingredients.. I tried out their pre-workout Conqu3r Unleashed and their Strength Unleashed and found that all their products do what they are meant to do and have very dense profile.
 
toddmuelheim said:
Yeah I'm on the iPhone app maybe it's just seen on that. I tried micro-pa last year when it first came out and it didn't do much for me. I haven't given the granules a real run yet, but I'm going to. Have you tried them yet or just not interested as a whole
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It just seems like a fad product so far. A bunch of forum bros seem to love it but that's really it. I guess the science is there but that really doesn't mean much since science can never make up its mind anyway. Good natty products stand the test of time, so we will see I guess. I've read that it bloats you up and can actually help you get fatter. Two things I don't need.
 
Demination said:
I would look into TR1UMPH by olympus labs. They just released it and it has 913mg of Phoshpatidic acid along with a ton of other anabolic and ergogenic ingredients.. I tried out their pre-workout Conqu3r Unleashed and their Strength Unleashed and found that all their products do what they are meant to do and have very dense profile.
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Tr1umph seems like a VERY solid product. Not only does it have pretty solid dose of phospholipids, but it has many other ingredients too.
 
Danes said:
Tr1umph seems like a VERY solid product. Not only does it have pretty solid dose of phospholipids, but it has many other ingredients too.
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This product replaces phosphamuscle for me! Cheaper on the wallet to!
 
T-Bone said:
It just seems like a fad product so far. A bunch of forum bros seem to love it but that's really it. I guess the science is there but that really doesn't mean much since science can never make up its mind anyway. Good natty products stand the test of time, so we will see I guess. I've read that it bloats you up and can actually help you get fatter. Two things I don't need.
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Come on man, you know this is very individualistic. Just because someone says one thing, doesn't mean sh*t. The data is there to back it up, not just "forum bros" talking it up.

Most don't know the difference between bloating and muscle fullness anyways.
 
kbayne said:
Come on man, you know this is very individualistic. Just because someone says one thing, doesn't mean sh*t. The data is there to back it up, not just "forum bros" talking it up.

Most don't know the difference between bloating and muscle fullness anyways.
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I ran out of Fearns SL a few weeks ago and I definitely see and feel the difference. The fullness, the pump, and vascularity are down :( I'll pick some up while I wait for Tr1umph to show up at my door. I've got plenty of bulk products to use with it as my own preworkout.
 
Chefdeez said:
No problem. Good luck with it, Cutler is an underrated brand. I actually enjoy their protein quite a bit too.
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This most be a joke right?
King v2 is a joke actually. There is a post showing king V2 is nothing than underdosed. V1 was mediator PA and it was the good one.
TheFugitive (rep) never came with their "information" like he said. Even their reps are joke
 
Danes said:
This most be a joke right?
King v2 is a joke actually. There is a post showing king V2 is nothing than underdosed. V1 was mediator PA and it was the good one.
TheFugitive (rep) never came with their "information" like he said. Even their reps are joke
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Whatever is in this is working, all I'm going to say. How can you tell the PA content in a prop blend? I've used hundreds of products and I'm very "in tune" with what works for me and what doesn't.
 
Chefdeez said:
Whatever is in this is working, all I'm going to say. How can you tell the PA content in a prop blend? I've used hundreds of products and I'm very "in tune" with what works for me and what doesn't.
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Right now I am at work. I will explain how underdosed KING v2 is when i get home.no chance it has 750mg PA per serving :)
It seems like you respond well to Niagen which is in both version. But niagen and PA is not the same at all
 
Chefdeez said:
Whatever is in this is working, all I'm going to say. How can you tell the PA content in a prop blend? I've used hundreds of products and I'm very "in tune" with what works for me and what doesn't.
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I became tired of prop blends.. Thats why I'm stoked for Triumph
 
Danes said:
Right now I am at work. I will explain how underdosed KING v2 is when i get home.no chance it has 750mg PA per serving :)
It seems like you respond well to Niagen which is in both version. But niagen and PA is not the same at all
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Cant wait to hear this breakdown as well!!
 
Chemi Nutra Mediator (enriched soy PA to 50%). It means 1.5g Mediator is 750mg pure PA.
Mediator is used in Maxmuscle Maxxtor,Biotest Micro-PA,Cutler nutrition King V1 and Muscletech Phospha Muscle. Cutler removed Mediator and added Activator TM. The funny thing is. They said its a trade mark but its not registered at all and cant be found ANY places! That is lie number one.
Typical PA dose (like used in the study) is 750mg. (That means 1.5g Mediator, standarized for 50% PA which is 750mg).
Enriching it more than 50% is not just difficult but VERY expencive as hell! So there is NO other company at the moment having so high % of PA like Mediator.

So what is King V2?

KING v2 is a blend of:
GLYCOPROTEIN MUSCLE GROWTH BLEND (proprietary) 1g
Activator™
(Phosphatidic Acid {Lysophosphatidic Acid, Phosphatidylserine, Phosphatidylcholine, Phosphatidylethanolamine, Phosphotidylinositiol})
Niagen™ (as Nicotinamide riboside)

In 1G of that blend there are phospholipids and Niagen . (I do not mention D3 because it is not in that blend. D3 has clearly a dose which is 4800 IU).
Theafugitive said its 200mg Niagen in KING v1 and v2.
So remove 200mg niagen from 1g blend you are getting from 3 caps daily.(Daily Dose)
You have 800mg phospholipids.
Then,lets say its 50% enriched PA .
It means 400mg of those 800mg is PA.
so you will get just 400mg PA from daily dose of KING. Thats almost half the dose they used in a study (750mgPA /1.5g mediaTOR.50% soy enriched PA.Which is 750mg PA).

Enriching higher than 50% would be more expencive process and no chance they would sell KING so cheap then.. that would not be possible. They would loose money and thats what companies are NOT interessed in (no one is).

So as you can see, Even if its 50% enriched, its still underdosed!
KING V2 is cheaper than King v1 and I know why. The PA in KING v2 is not enriched but its actually plain Soy lecithin powder. Standard PA dose in soy lecithin is about 7%.so , 7% of 800mg Activator is just 56mg PA.
That is why all Experienced PA users felt NOTHING from King v2.

Since KING v2 use Activator which is trademark (blend of phospholipids), it was asked:
"Is Activator a registered trademark? I couldnt find anything relevant during a search at the USPTO. Or is it merely a monicker similiar to what you find on the back of some prewo powders ('Cognitive Matrix')? "

This answer was given : Activator is a TM .

When it was asked: Owned by...Property of...
And no answer was given..

I find it VERY strange why reps cant or wont answer those questions?
I have my personal opinion on this one
 
You don't have to register a trademark for it to be a valid trademark. So that isn't lie number one. Just a terrible business decision.
 
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