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The New Product Release Thread

I saw all the Mission 1 flavors in 4-bar boxes at Walmart today, just under $7 each. That's cheaper than buying them by the dozen online. I can't eat them anymore so moot for me.
 
machinehead said:
I saw all the Mission 1 flavors in 4-bar boxes at Walmart today, just under $7 each. That's cheaper than buying them by the dozen online. I can't eat them anymore so moot for me.
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Why not? They were delicious IMO but a bit too soft, and yeah that's what she said.
 
carmaf said:
So just increased hunger then? I need no help in that department fortunately hahaha.
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Hunger and new muscle. Sick pumps and density.

I'd say it's the only natural supplement on the market that is anabolic (without conversion unlike ArA) and has the fewest non-responders. As such, it is the best in this category.
 
Can't believe you guys don't like the softness of the M1 bars. If I cannot heat them up, I put them in my pocket for a little while before consuming to soften it up more.
 
machinehead said:
Hunger and new muscle. Sick pumps and density.

I'd say it's the only natural supplement on the market that is anabolic (without conversion unlike ArA) and has the fewest non-responders. As such, it is the best in this category.
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I gotta look into this more. ArA looks interesting but I'm not trying to catch a CANCER case. No thanks.

AntM1564 said:
Can't believe you guys don't like the softness of the M1 bars. If I cannot heat them up, I put them in my pocket for a little while before consuming to soften it up more.
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It doesn't have nice chunks within the bar too, but yeah I want the option. With Quest I can have a solid bar with nice chunks, or melt it up and have a soft bar if I choose to do so.
 
AntM1564 said:
Can't believe you guys don't like the softness of the M1 bars. If I cannot heat them up, I put them in my pocket for a little while before consuming to soften it up more.
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If they are too soft then put in the fridge for 20-30 minutes to your texture preference

I personally enjoy the softer bars and not something that breaks my jaw like quest sometime
 
carmaf said:
What does PA even do for you guys? I'm still holding out on that, ArA and DAA, but I have them on a list to try along with Magnitropin(-Epi)
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I was skeptical of SL at first but decided to run it with my bulk. Been using it for 4 weeks and I have noticed awesome muscle fullness and it does make me hungrier. I'm sure it is helping with strength too but only time will tell. All in all it tastes good and it's super cheap and effective. I'm always going to use it on my bulks from now on
 
The Solution said:
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If they are too soft then put in the fridge for 20-30 minutes to your texture preference

I personally enjoy the softer bars and not something that breaks my jaw like quest sometime
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I like frozen Power Crunch bars the best for texture. I like the Rise bars too but they jawbreakers like Quest except that they are crumbly.
 
CJ_Xfit89 said:
I tried pumpkin pie quest. Hnnnggg
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Literally just finished eating my first one too. Ho-lee fuark. Gonna have to go pick up a whole box before I go back to school.
 
carmaf said:
So just increased hunger then? I need no help in that department fortunately hahaha.
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Much more than that. According to a study, it spikes mTOR signaling by over 6x, keeping it elevated for almost 6h. There is also data on increased strength and LBM. You are just missing a nice supp. In case of doubts, try the SL, only $8 cant hurt
 
jathan_howe said:
ARA doesn't cause cancer. It may aggravate pre-existing cases and worsen it but it doesn't cause it to start
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That still sounds a bit too scary to play around with, and the benefits don't seem large enough to risk it. Still I'm going to research that and PA to see if I want to experiment.

CJ_Xfit89 said:
I tried pumpkin pie quest. Hnnnggg
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BamBam0319 said:
Literally just finished eating my first one too. Ho-lee fuark. Gonna have to go pick up a whole box before I go back to school.
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So many people have been hating on those, but they are absolutely amazing IMO. I picked up one of those today along with a bunch of Lenny&Larry cookies.

macwad said:
Much more than that. According to a study, it spikes mTOR signaling by over 6x, keeping it elevated for almost 6h. There is also data on increased strength and LBM. You are just missing a nice supp. In case of doubts, try the SL, only $8 cant hurt
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Interesting, looks like I may have to give it a shot thanks.
 
carmaf said:
That still sounds a bit too scary to play around with, and the benefits don't seem large enough to risk it. Still I'm going to research that and PA to see if I want to experiment.




So many people have been hating on those, but they are absolutely amazing IMO. I picked up one of those today along with a bunch of Lenny&Larry cookies.



Interesting, looks like I may have to give it a shot thanks.
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Meh, I dont blame you, but Ara does not cause cancer. This needs repeating. Even if it aggravates it, so does ANYTHING that promotes muscle growth/ anabolism - this includes proteins.

The same pathways by which normal cells multiply also causes mutated cells to multiply. We can also maximise the amount of Ara that makes it into muscle tissue by preworkout dosing and/ or fasted dosing
 
Jiigzz said:
Meh, I dont blame you, but Ara does not cause cancer. This needs repeating. Even if it aggravates it, so does ANYTHING that promotes muscle growth/ anabolism - this includes proteins.

The same pathways by which normal cells multiply also causes mutated cells to multiply. We can also maximise the amount of Ara that makes it into muscle tissue by preworkout dosing and/ or fasted dosing
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Don't you think it's too soon to declare this though? I don't know the science as well as you and some of the posters, but I do know the supp industry is known for hyping up ingredients/products that turn out to be bunk, and also to declare things safe, prematurely, and then it turns out the opposite is true.

I don't take a gamble on new ingredients and stims until they have been proven to work and also proven to be relatively safe. Natty supplements in general don't produce drastic enough results to warrant taking health risks IMO.
 
carmaf said:
Don't you think it's too soon to declare this though? I don't know the science as well as you and some of the posters, but I do know the supp industry is known for hyping up ingredients/products that turn out to be bunk, and also to declare things safe, prematurely, and then it turns out the opposite is true.

I don't take a gamble on new ingredients and stims until they have been proven to work and also proven to be relatively safe. Natty supplements in general don't produce drastic enough results to warrant taking health risks IMO.
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/ you must spread some reputation around before giving to carmaf again
 
I AM waiting on news about SNS OPTIMIZE-T!!!!


:woohoo::fest06::bling::fest30:
 
carmaf said:
Don't you think it's too soon to declare this though? I don't know the science as well as you and some of the posters, but I do know the supp industry is known for hyping up ingredients/products that turn out to be bunk, and also to declare things safe, prematurely, and then it turns out the opposite is true.

I don't take a gamble on new ingredients and stims until they have been proven to work and also proven to be relatively safe. Natty supplements in general don't produce drastic enough results to warrant taking health risks IMO.
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The Ara pathway has been extensively studied and the etiology of cancer is far more complicated than just "Ara will cause it". Age and genetics are numero uno when it comes to cancer development. The pathway plays a role in its progression, just as much as protein plays a role in its progression (different but you get the point).

Mr.cooper69 also mentioned that there are about 10 steps that need to happen in order for cancer to develop - these steps include the shutting down of surveillance systems that monitor and destroy mutated cells and so on. Cancer is insanely hard to develop but generally those susceptible to it (genetics and age) will develop it.

While it is up to you what you take, if anyone ever says "Ara will CAUSE cancer" - or any supplement or food for that matter - ask for the evidence that they have to back that up and if they provide it, and make sure its not in rats that are susceptible to cancer or in humans that already have cancer.
 
thebigt said:
yup...I think it's been in the works since 2012, bout time to release it-I hope....SNS NEVER LETS ME DOWN!!!!
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Haha, gotta hit mw1 up for this one. See where its at
 
Jiigzz said:
The Ara pathway has been extensively studied and the etiology of cancer is far more complicated than just "Ara will cause it". Age and genetics are numero uno when it comes to cancer development. The pathway plays a role in its progression, just as much as protein plays a role in its progression (different but you get the point).

Mr.cooper69 also mentioned that there are about 10 steps that need to happen in order for cancer to develop - these steps include the shutting down of surveillance systems that monitor and destroy mutated cells and so on. Cancer is insanely hard to develop but generally those susceptible to it (genetics and age) will develop it.

While it is up to you what you take, if anyone ever says "Ara will CAUSE cancer" - or any supplement or food for that matter - ask for the evidence that they have to back that up and if they provide it, and make sure its not in rats that are susceptible to cancer or in humans that already have cancer.
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Ok fair enough but from what I've read it seems like you can get a bunch of ArA from meat, and I do eat a ton of meat.

Ok so cancer aside, what about inflammation? I heard inflammation is bad for you period, and ArA is all about inflammation. That is supposed to be one of the downsides to meat, it's raising inflammation in the body. Is taking extra ArA something that can negatively impact your health in the long run? I'm asking because I'm actually wondering not to be a contrarian. I know very little about ArA.
 
Jiigzz said:
The Ara pathway has been extensively studied and the etiology of cancer is far more complicated than just "Ara will cause it". Age and genetics are numero uno when it comes to cancer development. The pathway plays a role in its progression, just as much as protein plays a role in its progression (different but you get the point).

Mr.cooper69 also mentioned that there are about 10 steps that need to happen in order for cancer to develop - these steps include the shutting down of surveillance systems that monitor and destroy mutated cells and so on. Cancer is insanely hard to develop but generally those susceptible to it (genetics and age) will develop it.

While it is up to you what you take, if anyone ever says "Ara will CAUSE cancer" - or any supplement or food for that matter - ask for the evidence that they have to back that up and if they provide it, and make sure its not in rats that are susceptible to cancer or in humans that already have cancer.
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This is a good review on the subject Invalid Link Removed . Basically, more research needs to be done to say one way or the other.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
This is a good review on the subject Invalid Link Removed . Basically, more research needs to be done to say one way or the other.
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Can you give any more input? I usually wait for things to stand the test of time a bit before spending my money on them, bc products come and go very quickly in the supplement world.

I trust Jiigzz he is a good guy, but SNS also sells ArA.
 
carmaf said:
Can you give any more input? I usually wait for things to stand the test of time a bit before spending my money on them, bc products come and go very quickly in the supplement world.

I trust Jiigzz he is a good guy, but SNS also sells ArA.
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you are right about jiigzz, he is a good guy....I don't think he would promote a product he thought was harmful!!!
 
carmaf said:
Can you give any more input? I usually wait for things to stand the test of time a bit before spending my money on them, bc products come and go very quickly in the supplement world.

I trust Jiigzz he is a good guy, but SNS also sells ArA.
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Well, ArA has been around for quite some time. It is not a new ingredient.
 
carmaf said:
Can you give any more input? I usually wait for things to stand the test of time a bit before spending my money on them, bc products come and go very quickly in the supplement world.

I trust Jiigzz he is a good guy, but SNS also sells ArA.
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My personal opinion, based on what I have read, is that Ara does not cause cancer. The amount that we still need to learn about cancers is scary, so it's difficult for me to say anything is 100%. Chances are that if you take Ara and eventually get some form of cancer, you were more than likely going to get it regardless.
 
Like jiigzz said :

*"Even if it aggravates it(cancer), so does ANYTHING that promotes muscle growth/ anabolism - this includes proteins."
Increasing mTOR (like PA does)
aggravates cancer .
 
Danes said:
Like jiigzz said :

*"Even if it aggravates it(cancer), so does ANYTHING that promotes muscle growth/ anabolism - this includes proteins."
Increasing mTOR (like PA does)
aggravates cancer .
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True. And there is so much variation between cancers and individuals, that it is hard to tell what is going to affect one person over another. However, oncology is a really frightening field and I can't blame anybody for wanting more confirmation about this subject.
 
I think I may have to give the legendary ArA + ABE combo a run now.....
 
Aleksandar37 said:
True. And there is so much variation between cancers and individuals, that it is hard to tell what is going to affect one person over another. However, oncology is a really frightening field and I can't blame anybody for wanting more confirmation about this subject.
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What about increasing inflammation in your body to a large degree though? Isn't that bad for you?
 
carmaf said:
What about increasing inflammation in your body to a large degree though? Isn't that bad for you?
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This is why it's necessary to follow the cycle recommendations if you're going to run ArA. ArA will focus on/increase localized inflammation at the muscle tissue where it is directed. The inflammation you're referring to is systemic inflammation, which occurs over a longer period of time.
 
carmaf said:
Ok fair enough but from what I've read it seems like you can get a bunch of ArA from meat, and I do eat a ton of meat.

Ok so cancer aside, what about inflammation? I heard inflammation is bad for you period, and ArA is all about inflammation. That is supposed to be one of the downsides to meat, it's raising inflammation in the body. Is taking extra ArA something that can negatively impact your health in the long run? I'm asking because I'm actually wondering not to be a contrarian. I know very little about ArA.
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Huge difference between systemic inflammation and localised inflammation. Generally things like obesity cause systemic inflammation because of the pathways involved, and that itself is a huge negative contributor to heart disease. But localised (contained within a specific site) does not cause that.

Its very complex
 
Aleksandar37 said:
True. And there is so much variation between cancers and individuals, that it is hard to tell what is going to affect one person over another. However, oncology is a really frightening field and I can't blame anybody for wanting more confirmation about this subject.
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Absolutely! I second this wholeheartedly. If it doesnt sit right, dont use it :D fully respect that opinion. I wouldnt use it for an extended period of time, but I consider it wholey safe to use, if used according to the research
 
Jiigzz said:
Absolutely! I second this wholeheartedly. If it doesnt sit right, dont use it :D fully respect that opinion. I wouldnt use it for an extended period of time, but I consider it wholey safe to use, if used according to the research
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I also have a little post in the SNS subsection as well.
 
Purchased a box of Fit Crunch Bday Cake bars today just because me and my lady liked the peanut butter ones so much. Only thing I can say is I need box #2 sooner rather than later. They are great!!
 
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