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PES Prolific is one of the most disappointing releases of the year

The aussie version is nothing like the American version. It is not the product that we have been discussing on the forums.
 
tin gorilla said:
Thanks for 'nothing'?
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I am not sure I understand where you are going with this. The aussie market is different than the American market, just like the South American market is different than the Asian market. Only specific ingredients can be used in certain markets, so PEScience prolific is the best profile possible in the aussie market based on laws and regulations there. We also have to keep in mind consumer trends and preferences when creating products for each market.
 
Synapsin said:
I am not sure I understand where you are going with this. The aussie market is different than the American market, just like the South American market is different than the Asian market. Only specific ingredients can be used in certain markets, so PEScience prolific is the best profile possible in the aussie market based on laws and regulations there. We also have to keep in mind consumer trends and preferences when creating products for each market.
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Where I am going? You've released a substandard product. I and others hold your company in high regard. This is disappointing to me as a customer. I am airing my grievances on an appropriate forum. I understand that you can't include yohimbine or rauwolscine, but this is very ordinary.
 
There are plenty of underwhelming products on the market. So don't use the product. /close thread
 
Won't be buying the AU version either. waiting for US ver. and from the sounds of things i will have to import and it will have Yohimbie or rauwolscine which i don't mind but i was hoping for something new and novel which could replace dmba for me :( and means we won't be able to order the insider of it either unless you have a hook up or friend inside US that can post to you. Flush Fitness are the ones who request some of the terrible ingredients used in the Aussie formulations, and they are only looking to make a profit, and ask the impossible, which means we get an underdosed prop blend matrix bs, or else the price tag would be to high to appeal to the average aussie gym br0. pre's here are costing 70-65$ a pop as it is and if it was dosed right it would be around the 120-130$ for a fully dosed 30 serves. which flush won't do, because then PES and them would be losing money.. so yes very sad but i don't complain i just import and disregard au versions now.
 
Synapsin said:
I am not sure I understand where you are going with this. The aussie market is different than the American market, just like the South American market is different than the Asian market. Only specific ingredients can be used in certain markets, so PEScience prolific is the best profile possible in the aussie market based on laws and regulations there. We also have to keep in mind consumer trends and preferences when creating products for each market.
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Very true- The Australian regulations are making it EXTREMELY hard to make compliant "kick ass" products :(
 
tin gorilla said:
Where I am going? You've released a substandard product. I and others hold your company in high regard. This is disappointing to me as a customer. I am airing my grievances on an appropriate forum. I understand that you can't include yohimbine or rauwolscine, but this is very ordinary.
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We did the best we can in a limited situation. That market is extremely difficult to be innovative and the product is a fine product. You are certainly welcome to air your grievances as that is your right as a customer, but my responses regarding this won't change. Are you in Australia? If you are, I will personally send you a tub of the US prolific product when it is out.

Auslifter said:
Won't be buying the AU version either. waiting for US ver. and from the sounds of things i will have to import and it will have Yohimbie or rauwolscine which i don't mind but i was hoping for something new and novel which could replace dmba for me :( and means we won't be able to order the insider of it either unless you have a hook up or friend inside US that can post to you. Flush Fitness are the ones who request some of the terrible ingredients used in the Aussie formulations, and they are only looking to make a profit, and ask the impossible, which means we get an underdosed prop blend matrix bs, or else the price tag would be to high to appeal to the average aussie gym br0. pre's here are costing 70-65$ a pop as it is and if it was dosed right it would be around the 120-130$ for a fully dosed 30 serves. which flush won't do, because then PES and them would be losing money.. so yes very sad but i don't complain i just import and disregard au versions now.
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Prolific will not contain alpha Y or yohimbine. That is all I will say.

Hockeyaus33 said:
The u.s. version is going to have yohimbe?
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^^^ read above

mw1 said:
Very true- The Australian regulations are making it EXTREMELY hard to make compliant "kick ass" products :(
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It's very unfortunate, especially because they heavily enforce customs as well, so its hard to sneak in products as a customer.
 
tin gorilla said:
Where I am going? You've released a substandard product. I and others hold your company in high regard. This is disappointing to me as a customer. I am airing my grievances on an appropriate forum. I understand that you can't include yohimbine or rauwolscine, but this is very ordinary.
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The scope for releasing new ingredients is becoming ever narrow.

Look at the US alone. DMAA left, AMP came and went, lawsuits are all over the place and the FDA are clamping down more and more.

Selling into the Australian market is even tougher. Anyone who knows regulations extremely well will realise how strict this process is.

If you are looking for stimulants which are new, novel, effective and legal you aren't likely to see them in Australian pre workout products.

The feedback on Prolific has been great so far. :)
 
I can attest to the rules and regulations of NZ and Australian customs. This version is not very standout-ish, but its the best of a bad situation. Either way, I never order from Aus or NZ vendors because they suck.
 
lol NZ Medsafe has some of the most retarded restrictions Ive ever seen, even finding a decent multi that dosnt contain a restricted ingredient is impossible. Its a joke.
 
By not very standout-ish, I mean unique or interesting like PES' s other offerings
 
Are we yelling at Ben?

I'm just here to yell at Ben.
 
Synapsin said:
........I will personally send you a tub of the US prolific product when it is out.
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I see numerous posts by people claiming PES Fanboys, but this is why lots of people like PES as a company. They do typically deal a very above average product (IMO), but in this particular case they are limited by someone else's rules and regulations. This offer goes above and beyond what I would consider necessary in this situation, and why I will continue to purchase PES products. Now I think you owe somebody an apology for coming off like a douche.
 
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SFreed said:
I see numerous posts by people claiming PES Fanboys, but this is why lots of people like PES as a company. They do typically deal a very above average product (IMO), but in this particular case they are limited by someone else's rules and regulations. This offer goes above and beyond what I would consider necessary in this situation, and why I will continue to purchase PES products. Now I think you owe somebody an apology for coming off like a douche.
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My number #1 concern is our customers and I want them to be satisfied :) If I can be of any help, I try my best to help. Thank you for your kind words.
 
De__eB said:
I can think of some much more disappointing releases from 2015 than an adequately dosed but unremarkable AUS market preworkout.
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Looking at the profile, do you consider it to be "adequately dosed". Of course there are more disappointing releases, but I feel this product is well below their usually lofty standard.
 
tin gorilla said:
Looking at the profile, do you consider it to be "adequately dosed". Of course there are more disappointing releases, but I feel this product is well below their usually lofty standard.
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For what it is? For the market it's in? For per serving/per container limits on ingredient doses that are a common part of customs regulations?

Yeah I'd say it's adequate enoough. I'd take two servings of it like I would of most preworkouts, since the market doesn't generally support what I'd want in one scoop of a product.

Got any dramatically better AUS market compliant preworkouts at the same price point?
 
Tin Gorilla I don't see how a product you will never purchase, or use, and is not intended for you in any way affects you at all. I also don't see how it would reflect poorly on PES's stellar release record, bc from a business standpoint it's pretty clear: either lose sales/make no money in AUS due to compliance regulations, or formulate something so you can capitalize on that market.

If they released that formula for the NA market, I would understand where you are coming from.......but it's not for NA, and the NA formula has yet to be revealed....so what's the issue?
 
carmaf said:
Tin Gorilla I don't see how a product you will never purchase, or use, and is not intended for you in any way affects you at all. I also don't see how it would reflect poorly on PES's stellar release record, bc from a business standpoint it's pretty clear: either lose sales/make no money in AUS due to compliance regulations, or formulate something so you can capitalize on that market.

If they released that formula for the NA market, I would understand where you are coming from.......but it's not for NA, and the NA formula has yet to be revealed....so what's the issue?
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How is it not "intended for me in any way" given I am a consumer of their products in Australia and use preworkouts?
 
tin gorilla said:
How is it not "intended for me in any way" given I am a consumer of their products in Australia and use preworkouts?
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I didn't know you were in Aus, that wasn't mentioned so far. I still use C4 so I think the profile is better than that, if it's cheap like C4 then Aus Prolific seems like it would do the trick, but again I know nothing of the Aus market.
 
carmaf said:
I didn't know you were in Aus, that wasn't mentioned so far. I still use C4 so I think the profile is better than that, if it's cheap like C4 then Aus Prolific seems like it would do the trick, but again I know nothing of the Aus market.
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It's 54$ from what I saw online
 
Synapsin said:
Everything is expensive there supplement wise
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Hhahahah sucks to be you, Australia. Looking at the profile just now, I would 100% buy AUS Prolific if it were sold in NA at a 30-35 CDN pricepoint like C4. Just something not overloaded with caffeine so I can work up to 2 scoops, to get me back to tolerance after a stim break, before I work into Y(Alphamine) and Ephedrine. C4 isn't revolutionary either, but it does the trick.

Always wanted to try Boldine and love the fact that you got Theacrine, Higenamine and Synephrine in there. Wish I knew the doses but it looks like it would pack a punch. Scoop size is bigger than C4 too.

Whatever happens, I just hope you guys keep the grey and blue label for NA release, bc it looks ****ing sexy.
 
Danes said:
Believe me, Norway is even worse :D
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Yeah from what my cousin told me, you can't even get Melatonin in Sweden as a supplement, so if Norway is worse then hahaha oh man.....
 
I'm just gonna leave this here.....





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Danes said:
Believe me, Norway is even worse :D
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Bro, we‘d give you a good run for your money. These, for example, are restricted here in NZ...

+Orange triad
+Dermacrine
+Shift
+Conquer Unleashed non stim
+Just about every non caffeinated stim
 
Lol @ Flush. They sell freaking Green tea bags 20x for 50 bucks! It's just 50% extract! I wouldn't buy a thing they market, it's criminal.
 
carmaf said:
Yeah from what my cousin told me, you can't even get Melatonin in Sweden as a supplement, so if Norway is worse then hahaha oh man.....
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Melatonin ?? Its prescription drug ! Even piperine is not legal from USA or any 3rd. Countries. But I can order PH from UK. Or viagra etc. Thats just pathetic! The EU laws
 
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