chedapalooza
Legend
Tomorrow is gonna be a big high volume push day with hiit cardio post lift. Gonna push to 83g carbs on the day. 39 of it fiber. Will be most carbs I've had in about 6 months
HRT+Olympus Labs+ Letrone+OTHERS!
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chedapalooza
Legend
Just took the caps lol meal time so soon !
chedapalooza
Legend
One observation is that after a hard training session and "low carbs" relatively speaking but high by my standards, this product is so strong that 80g isn't enough to make up for the training... I woke up really flat and soft today. I attribute this to the night time pre bed cap totally depleting me... I'm going to skip that capsule tonight and still take in 80g carbs with two caps prior. Just no pre bed dose.
I think a pre bed dose is great for cardio only days Nd off days
I think a pre bed dose is great for cardio only days Nd off days
chedapalooza
Legend
Yes. It's safe to say this providing a level of muscle fullness I've not had in a long time. Definitely helping get calories and carbs where they're supposed to go. The pre bed dose helps me sleep much better and I'm waking up not so groggy / with a food hangover which is key Bc of my IF protocol and carb back loading. I'm surprised at how lean I've stayed/seem to be continuing to lean out slowly and daily. Granted I'm not over 100g carbs but I can tell this product would be able to handle high carb diets very well. I am trying a pre workout dose tonight with ergonine and high volume and expect some wicked fullness and skin tightening pumps for delt and lat work. I've actually reduced my cardio this week too as I don't feel/look like I need it despite several "high carb" days.....
chedapalooza
Legend
AH I knew there was something I wanted to mention and was forgetting. As much as I love Rdrol, I feel like this is a) easier on the stomach and b) more versatile..... It would be hard to say it's better, Bc Rdrol is that good, but can confidently say this is AS GOOD. Which is as good as it gets IMO
Let's put it this way, I have 5 bottles of Rdrol left in my stash that I'll either sell or force myself to use Bc I am confident in using Slinmax moving forward as my GDA of choice. I wish I could reverse diet faster
Let's put it this way, I have 5 bottles of Rdrol left in my stash that I'll either sell or force myself to use Bc I am confident in using Slinmax moving forward as my GDA of choice. I wish I could reverse diet faster
hsk
Active member
AH I knew there was something I wanted to mention and was forgetting. As much as I love Rdrol, I feel like this is a) easier on the stomach and b) more versatile..... It would be hard to say it's better, Bc Rdrol is that good, but can confidently say this is AS GOOD. Which is as good as it gets IMO
Let's put it this way, I have 5 bottles of Rdrol left in my stash that I'll either sell or force myself to use Bc I am confident in using Slinmax moving forward as my GDA of choice. I wish I could reverse diet faster
Just curious, have you tried Slintensity or Glycophase? If so how do they compare with Recompadrol and Slinmax? How would you rank all 4 of them?
Also, if you are looking to get rid of some extra Recompadrol, I might be interested.
chedapalooza
Legend
I never tried glycophase. Slintensity I was not a fan of as I got very bloated from the carbs leading me to believe it wasn't effective.
My top GDA's would be
1 Rdrol/Slinmax
2 AP (close second.. Good for night time dosing, low carb meal dosing, and fasted training)
3 need2slin (throwback right there)
4 original slin sane
My top GDA's would be
1 Rdrol/Slinmax
2 AP (close second.. Good for night time dosing, low carb meal dosing, and fasted training)
3 need2slin (throwback right there)
4 original slin sane
chedapalooza
Legend
I haven't quite decided what to do with this extra Rdrol ... I didn't think a product would come along so soon or at all that would equate it
hsk
Active member
Yes, I agree that Recompadrol is or was one of a kind and in a class all by itself. I am hoping it will return again some day. Hopefully some day soon.
Toren
Well-known member
I'm not sure if I have posted in your log yet but I have certainly been following along on your adventure. I have some questions on BAIBA if you don't mind. I know you have commented in random posts about it but I would appreciate if you could do a breif summarization for me or touch on my questions.
1) I believe you said that you feel a thermogenic type of heat from the supplement. When did you start feeling this and at what dose where you at?
2) Do you see a difference when taking it with meals or standalone, as far as direct overall effect or thermogenic heat production?
3) When would you say you really started feeling/seeing results from the product?
I am on day 3 now of AL BAIBA and while I don't expect much from the product so early in the process, I had kind of thought (based upon other reviews) that I might see some increased body heat. Maybe this takes a while to build up as well? Even during fasted cardio sessions (when dosing beforehand) I do not see an increase in body temperature or sweating. Maybe I just haven't waited long enough? Certainly the browning of white fat is an ongoing process and results will get better as time goes on but I was just curious as to what you saw early on in your process. I am taking 1 gram per day (am/pm split dosing). Unfortunately the tub won't last me 30 days as I dropped the tiny awkward tub on my stove and lost a few days worth of substance.
Ah well.
Any feedback would be much appreciated. TIA.
1) I believe you said that you feel a thermogenic type of heat from the supplement. When did you start feeling this and at what dose where you at?
2) Do you see a difference when taking it with meals or standalone, as far as direct overall effect or thermogenic heat production?
3) When would you say you really started feeling/seeing results from the product?
I am on day 3 now of AL BAIBA and while I don't expect much from the product so early in the process, I had kind of thought (based upon other reviews) that I might see some increased body heat. Maybe this takes a while to build up as well? Even during fasted cardio sessions (when dosing beforehand) I do not see an increase in body temperature or sweating. Maybe I just haven't waited long enough? Certainly the browning of white fat is an ongoing process and results will get better as time goes on but I was just curious as to what you saw early on in your process. I am taking 1 gram per day (am/pm split dosing). Unfortunately the tub won't last me 30 days as I dropped the tiny awkward tub on my stove and lost a few days worth of substance.
Ah well.Any feedback would be much appreciated. TIA.
hsk
Active member
I actually really love the ingredient profile and want to try it, except it has one ingredient that I avoid...the black pepper extract aka piperine. I have bad nausea and upset stomach whenever I take any supplement that has this ingredient added. It also affects the metabolism of other supplements I take as well making it difficult to guage what is going on as everything gets thrown out of whack. It's a shame too because I like everything else in the formula.
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Beberine can have some absorption issues which can sometimes cause GI upset etc and we added piperine to enhance the absorption of Berberine and lower the potential for GI side effects. Sorry to hear your experience with Piperine as its used in a lot of really quality supplements!
hsk
Active member
I actually tolerate Berberine really well with no problems. I take it bulk occasionally. As for the piperine...sadly there are many supplements I am unable to use because this was added. Any chance of a piperine free version coming down the pipeline...lol.
chedapalooza
Legend
I'm not sure if I have posted in your log yet but I have certainly been following along on your adventure. I have some questions on BAIBA if you don't mind. I know you have commented in random posts about it but I would appreciate if you could do a breif summarization for me or touch on my questions.
1) I believe you said that you feel a thermogenic type of heat from the supplement. When did you start feeling this and at what dose where you at?
2) Do you see a difference when taking it with meals or standalone, as far as direct overall effect or thermogenic heat production?
3) When would you say you really started feeling/seeing results from the product?
I am on day 3 now of AL BAIBA and while I don't expect much from the product so early in the process, I had kind of thought (based upon other reviews) that I might see some increased body heat. Maybe this takes a while to build up as well? Even during fasted cardio sessions (when dosing beforehand) I do not see an increase in body temperature or sweating. Maybe I just haven't waited long enough? Certainly the browning of white fat is an ongoing process and results will get better as time goes on but I was just curious as to what you saw early on in your process. I am taking 1 gram per day (am/pm split dosing). Unfortunately the tub won't last me 30 days as I dropped the tiny awkward tub on my stove and lost a few days worth of substance.
Any feedback would be much appreciated. TIA.
I will write my full review tonight or tomorrow and use your questions as a guideline in addition to my thoughts!
chedapalooza
Legend
FULL Review 6 weeks BAIBA
The powder is tasteless, odorless, and mixes very easily in water or any other liquid like a pre workout out protein shake. The only negative thing about this product is that it doesn't include a measured scooper, so be sure you are able to measure .5g - 1g worth of powder.
The first week of usage was at a dose of 500mg on training days and 1g on non-training days. The 500mg was taken post workout with the final meal of the day. The 1g was split up over two meals during the day.
The first 1g dose gave a strong thermogenic effect and very slight tingly feeling in the face, similar to that of beta alanine but not nearly as strong. This only occurred once after the first dose.
Our tester immediately noticed an increase in body temperate, especially at night, and took his temperature several times a week upon waking and at bed. The average morning temperature (non dosed) was 97.8, the average evening temperature (after .5g - 1g) was 98.8. Our tester indicated that he normally has body temp steady in the 97 range, indicating that there was in fact a slight increase in thermogenesis.
After 2.5 weeks of dosing as mentioned above, the tester upped his dose to 1g daily. He took .5g pre workout and the other .5g post workout with the final meal of the day. On non training days, dosing remained split over two meals. The pre workout dose immediately caused increased sweating during workouts. The tester reported warming up to a sweat much faster and increased sweating during the course of a workout, especially during less intense sessions where he may not have usually broken a sweat prior to BAIBA supplementation.
The most intriguing aspect of our tester is his current diet, which is a reverse diet protocol where he has added 100 calories per week each week of testing after coming off of a cut in which he lost 25 pounds and dropped to 10% body fat from 15% over 4 months. The tester was able to successfully add calories in the form of mostly carbohydrates and a small amount of fat, reduce his amount of cardio AND weight training volume, and has gained 8 pounds in 6 weeks with no change in body fat.
Our impressions given our tester's results through 6 weeks of using Antaeus Labs BAIBA is that BAIBA seems to be effective in inhibiting fat gain and increasing thermogenesis. We believe that this product lives up to its claims and is of high quality. This product would be effective and useful for anyone looking to add lean mass, recomp, or for those who may need to reduce their training volume / cannot train due to injury and wish to prevent fat gain. Invalid Link Removed
From Antaeus labs website:
Antaeus Labs Modular Series βAIBA is a dietary supplement containing β-aminoisobutyric acid.
Beta-aminoisobutyric acid, or BAIBA for short.
When you exercise, benefits of that exercise are seen in many different organs of the body, not just the muscles that were exercised. These metabolic benefits are the result of "messenger" molecules that are released into the blood stream and travel to other tissues where the benefits of exercise are realised. One such messenger molecule, or "myokine", is understood to be the amino acid beta-aminoisobutyric acid.
BAIBA is an amino acid that your body produces in response to exercise. After being released into the blood stream, it starts a thermogenic program in fat tissue, raising energy expenditure and reducing weight gain when tested in mice. When mouse or human white fat cells are exposed to BAIBA, some of them become fat-burning "beige" fat cells. Beige (or BRITE) fat cells contain the protein UCP-1 - also known as "thermogenin" because it burns triglycerides to produce heat.
- BAIBA is produced naturally by the human body – it’s formed from the catabolism of thymine [1][2] and is also product of exercise-induced PGC1a-mediated amino acid breakdown. [3]
- BAIBA increases the utilization of free fatty acids and decreases fat mass in mice. [4]
- BAIBA stimulates the differentiation of white fat cells into thermogenic beige/brite fat cells in both in vivo animal experiments and in vitro human stem cell studies. [5][6]
Antaeus Labs Modular Series βAIBA contains just the amino acid BAIBA, in powder form for easy dosing. It's tasteless and odorless, and mixes well with a soft drink or protein shake. It is suitable for both men and women.
Studies suggest BAIBA may:
- Increase lipolysis and the beta-oxidation of fatty acids (“fat burning”)
- Increase body temperature and energy expenditure
- Increase ketogenesis (the production of ketone bodies in the liver)
βAIBA is suited for use by:
- those trying to lose weight, in combination with a healthy diet and exercise regime
- those trying to reap the maximal metabolic benefits from their exercise regime
- those who may be temporarily unable to exercise through injury or illness
The powder is tasteless, odorless, and mixes very easily in water or any other liquid like a pre workout out protein shake. The only negative thing about this product is that it doesn't include a measured scooper, so be sure you are able to measure .5g - 1g worth of powder.
The first week of usage was at a dose of 500mg on training days and 1g on non-training days. The 500mg was taken post workout with the final meal of the day. The 1g was split up over two meals during the day.
The first 1g dose gave a strong thermogenic effect and very slight tingly feeling in the face, similar to that of beta alanine but not nearly as strong. This only occurred once after the first dose.
Our tester immediately noticed an increase in body temperate, especially at night, and took his temperature several times a week upon waking and at bed. The average morning temperature (non dosed) was 97.8, the average evening temperature (after .5g - 1g) was 98.8. Our tester indicated that he normally has body temp steady in the 97 range, indicating that there was in fact a slight increase in thermogenesis.
After 2.5 weeks of dosing as mentioned above, the tester upped his dose to 1g daily. He took .5g pre workout and the other .5g post workout with the final meal of the day. On non training days, dosing remained split over two meals. The pre workout dose immediately caused increased sweating during workouts. The tester reported warming up to a sweat much faster and increased sweating during the course of a workout, especially during less intense sessions where he may not have usually broken a sweat prior to BAIBA supplementation.
The most intriguing aspect of our tester is his current diet, which is a reverse diet protocol where he has added 100 calories per week each week of testing after coming off of a cut in which he lost 25 pounds and dropped to 10% body fat from 15% over 4 months. The tester was able to successfully add calories in the form of mostly carbohydrates and a small amount of fat, reduce his amount of cardio AND weight training volume, and has gained 8 pounds in 6 weeks with no change in body fat.
Our impressions given our tester's results through 6 weeks of using Antaeus Labs BAIBA is that BAIBA seems to be effective in inhibiting fat gain and increasing thermogenesis. We believe that this product lives up to its claims and is of high quality. This product would be effective and useful for anyone looking to add lean mass, recomp, or for those who may need to reduce their training volume / cannot train due to injury and wish to prevent fat gain. Invalid Link Removed
From Antaeus labs website:
Antaeus Labs Modular Series βAIBA is a dietary supplement containing β-aminoisobutyric acid.
Beta-aminoisobutyric acid, or BAIBA for short.
When you exercise, benefits of that exercise are seen in many different organs of the body, not just the muscles that were exercised. These metabolic benefits are the result of "messenger" molecules that are released into the blood stream and travel to other tissues where the benefits of exercise are realised. One such messenger molecule, or "myokine", is understood to be the amino acid beta-aminoisobutyric acid.
BAIBA is an amino acid that your body produces in response to exercise. After being released into the blood stream, it starts a thermogenic program in fat tissue, raising energy expenditure and reducing weight gain when tested in mice. When mouse or human white fat cells are exposed to BAIBA, some of them become fat-burning "beige" fat cells. Beige (or BRITE) fat cells contain the protein UCP-1 - also known as "thermogenin" because it burns triglycerides to produce heat.
- BAIBA is produced naturally by the human body – it’s formed from the catabolism of thymine [1][2] and is also product of exercise-induced PGC1a-mediated amino acid breakdown. [3]
- BAIBA increases the utilization of free fatty acids and decreases fat mass in mice. [4]
- BAIBA stimulates the differentiation of white fat cells into thermogenic beige/brite fat cells in both in vivo animal experiments and in vitro human stem cell studies. [5][6]
Antaeus Labs Modular Series βAIBA contains just the amino acid BAIBA, in powder form for easy dosing. It's tasteless and odorless, and mixes well with a soft drink or protein shake. It is suitable for both men and women.
Studies suggest BAIBA may:
- Increase lipolysis and the beta-oxidation of fatty acids (“fat burning”)
- Increase body temperature and energy expenditure
- Increase ketogenesis (the production of ketone bodies in the liver)
βAIBA is suited for use by:
- those trying to lose weight, in combination with a healthy diet and exercise regime
- those trying to reap the maximal metabolic benefits from their exercise regime
- those who may be temporarily unable to exercise through injury or illness
chedapalooza
Legend
Adding 100 calories per day to the diet this week. Last night used 12g of brown rice bread crumbs to make a healthy chicken parm ... No spill over or repercussions physically today RE bloating so that's great .. meal had 80g carbs post workout and slinmax seemed to have helped me handle them all nicely with two caps
chedapalooza
Legend
This week will be hard to stay on track with nutrition: Sunday is my grandmothers birthday, Thursday is thanksgiving, and tonight I have a dinner date. It's not a will power issue, it's just an issue of what's available and being served/how it's prepared. Shouldn't be too big an issue though. Just glad I got slinmax at my side 
chedapalooza
Legend
Today I ended up roughly 300-350 calories over my target intake. Mostly from protein and healthy fat (olive oil Bc my family is Italian and my grandmother puts olive oil on almost everhthing). Carbs were under 50g on the day. Protein was a little above 300... Not the best macro breakdown but certainly not bad by any stretch.
I am noticing some sides RE the fenugreek... I am VERY sensitive to estrogenic ingredients and so I think the daily use of fenugreek in slinmax has caused a slight build up my in system at 2-3 caps daily. Nothing horrible by any means at all. I'm just VERY sensitive to it and since I had been on AI's for a while, it's much easier to see and feel water weight
I am noticing some sides RE the fenugreek... I am VERY sensitive to estrogenic ingredients and so I think the daily use of fenugreek in slinmax has caused a slight build up my in system at 2-3 caps daily. Nothing horrible by any means at all. I'm just VERY sensitive to it and since I had been on AI's for a while, it's much easier to see and feel water weight
chedapalooza
Legend
Final Performax SlinMax review is up: Invalid Link Removed
chedapalooza
Legend
Just scheduled a fresh round of blood work to check test levels having been off clomid for almost two months. Gonna see if the restart held and also where I'm at baseline now
rtmilburn
Well-known member
Ya i am kinda curious to see that as well. You have been of all test booster like supplements as right? You've just been using some GDAs and BIABA right?
chedapalooza
Legend
Yea just natty stuff like zma, high dose d3, and I did not come off forskolin95 50mg daily currently but I'm on that year round as are many other guys
I also have a bottle of Testruction on the way from evomuse and will see how and where I can work that in
rtmilburn
Well-known member
Oh nice so this blood work will show your true new baseline then. Im guessing you'll be taking Testruction after your blood work correct?
chedapalooza
Legend
Correct, after. Full disclosure, not feeling nearly as good as I did while on the clomid. Difficulty sleeping and then waking up. Never feel rested or recovered. I even took a full two weeks off from cardio and dialed back to just maintenance lifting. Body comp wise I am happy, but energy and libido is way down. Like ALMOST pre clomid
I have a feeling this will be an ongoing battle and could end up cycling clomid under Doctor supervision and/or moving to TRT once I have kids. Which there are no immediate plans for. I'm 27, had a gf of 5 years. Ended it. Now we are seeing each other again after 9 months apart, but it's not looking like we are going to be ready for that anytime soon, or ever. So who knows at this point
rtmilburn
Well-known member
That sucks if that is the case. I sure hope that isnt the case for you.
What kind of things have you tried to help with restart other then your recent stack? Have you tried a mixed tocols (vit E) product? botanical craft is properly the best.. Its not necessarily a test booster but if you have issues with desensitized lyding cells(with constant use of clomid its definitely possible) it will help. Mix tocols are very good at re-sensitizing lyding cells.
Also have you looked into peptides? triptorelin is very strong at restarting the hpta. Its also doesn't need to be used for weeks or months like other things. It is literally a 1 and done. 1 injection has shown in both studies and anecdotally to work for hpta restart. Some claim it can be used by its self, with nothing else, as pct for even the most harsh cycle, with a full and complete recovery and possibly a higher new baseline.
What are your prolactin levels like? As both parmi and caber have shown to reset hpta of people that had high prolactin and low TT. The scientists theorized the prolactin has a much more substantial role in TT levels then they previously believed. Note the precipitants of the studies were on either parmi or caber for 6 months.
Also what are your thyroid levels like? Even though the we scientists don't know exactly how the thyroid effects T levels, but there is definitely a connection between a poor working thyroid and low T
One last thing. How much fats and cholesterol do you eat? Especially saturated fats. Those are used in the processes of creating all male reproductive hormones. Some studies have show that people with lower TT and free T that increased the intake of saturated fats and cholesterol, that were previously not eating enough, increased the levels of both by quite a bit.
Sorry for the novel of a post. It is just hard when talking about something so complex, as the endocrine system, to really narrow things down to what is the cause, because there can be so many. I also hate to see people that start TRT without trying all other options, as i believe most everyone can successfully restart their hpta. Also i didn't even scratch the surface of as many possibilities it could be.
chedapalooza
Legend
Thanks for all of that. I eat a a good amount of saturated fat from eggs and meat and almond/PB/fish
I haven't looked into the tocols or peptides. Prolactin and thyroid all normal
rtmilburn
Well-known member
Ya no problem. Most of that, if not all of that, you probably already knew but just thought i would mention it. Hopefully you can get this figured out.
chedapalooza
Legend
Got the blood drawn today finally. Should have results next week. Might be tough to get post Testruction usage bloods bc my doctor turned into a huge a hole for some reason. Unless of course there's a problem and he "treats" me again. Will cross that bridge if we come to it.
chedapalooza
Legend
Well estradiol is at 40 (up from low 30's) and total test is at 522 (down from low 800's in September.
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Once again the a hole didn't do free test or prolactin as I requested
This is basically my base line... Hopefully i never end up back at 200 again, may have been diet related. May be slowly declining. Regardless, not stellar numbers and very concerning estradiol considering it had been steadily in the low 30's for some
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Once again the a hole didn't do free test or prolactin as I requested
This is basically my base line... Hopefully i never end up back at 200 again, may have been diet related. May be slowly declining. Regardless, not stellar numbers and very concerning estradiol considering it had been steadily in the low 30's for some
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CJNator
Well-known member
You're still on Testruction? You should go to a 2nd doctor to do your bloods if he is consistent at not adding free test and prolactin.
chedapalooza
Legend
No I haven't started Testruction yet. Was waiting for these results and for my erase pro+ to come in
chedapalooza
Legend
Jumped back on a small clomid blast cycle. Definitely helped but not getting bloods. Testruction will start in another week or two after I have been off clomid for a bit.
CJNator
Well-known member
That's good man, can't wait to see how it works for you!