SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

ZackD89 said:
DermaTrest is amazing. Just make sure to run Aromasin with it (12.5 mg EOD was good for me).
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Exemestane isn't always necessary, dose will play a huge factor in that. He might not need an ai at all if he's just running 50mg as a base.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Look into Dermacrine. Its relatively low impact (on hormones) but more than capable as a base.
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2nd this used it as test base for my lgd run and I ran it up to 12mg daily without sides or issues :)
 
yates84 said:
Epic is nice in pct but not necessary. If you run epic unleashed solo then run both bottles back to back at label dosing, I promise you will be impressed by how well it works. The key to pct is keeping training intensity and eating at your new maintenance calories. If you can do those 2 thongs and use a serm in pct you will have sucess full PCT's every cycle.
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Well I decided to go with epic solo and actually started my run today. I will most likely run both bottles and then probably jump into a halo cycle again or combine halo with a furuza run since those two are the next to expire in my stockpile. My only problem is that I never ran furuza by itself so I don't know how it will affect me personally and I only have enough for one run, if that. Decisions, decisions. Thanks again Yates for your advice. I am hoping you are right about the epic.
 
Chrisko said:
Well I decided to go with epic solo and actually started my run today. I will most likely run both bottles and then probably jump into a halo cycle again or combine halo with a furuza run since those two are the next to expire in my stockpile. My only problem is that I never ran furuza by itself so I don't know how it will affect me personally and I only have enough for one run, if that. Decisions, decisions. Thanks again Yates for your advice. I am hoping you are right about the epic.
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Don't worry about expiration dates on ph too much, store them properly and you will be gtg. My next cycle includes a bottle that expired in 09' lol
 
yates84 said:
Don't worry about expiration dates on ph too much, store them properly and you will be gtg. My next cycle includes a bottle that expired in 09' lol
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What other goodies you got stashed away there??? :tongue2:

I'm liking a previous post on Rad140 potentially being useful for test levels. I like osta PCT, run my LGD solo with a natty test booster, so RAD may have to make an appearance after my next PH run :head:

Love your work Yates. I just read about 6 pages playing catch up & will go back & see what else I missed - you're all over it!! Muchly appreciate the time & info you divulge, thank you.
 
cheeky1 said:
What other goodies you got stashed away there??? :tongue2:

I'm liking a previous post on Rad140 potentially being useful for test levels. I like osta PCT, run my LGD solo with a natty test booster, so RAD may have to make an appearance after my next PH run :head:

Love your work Yates. I just read about 6 pages playing catch up & will go back & see what else I missed - you're all over it!! Muchly appreciate the time & info you divulge, thank you.
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It looks like I have a supp shop in my bedroom, I'm definitely overstocked lol! Glad this has been a good resource for you! Be on the lookout for my next users guide, should take care of some of the myths with all of the currently legal compounds.
 
yates84 said:
It looks like I have a supp shop in my bedroom, I'm definitely overstocked lol! Glad this has been a good resource for you! Be on the lookout for my next users guide, should take care of some of the myths with all of the currently legal compounds.
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He is not joking. Our bedroom is his supp shop!!!
 
yates84 said:
I have a serious drug problem...
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Yeah but I bet that makes it easy to find you a stocking filler at xmas...or is that what you give YatesWifey? Merry xmas honey, just what you always wanted - another bottle of Ostarine! :slap: :veryhappy:
 
cheeky1 said:
Yeah but I bet that makes it easy to find you a stocking filler at xmas...or is that what you give YatesWifey? Merry xmas honey, just what you always wanted - another bottle of Ostarine! :slap: :veryhappy:
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Hmmmm....I think you are on to something here.
 
yates84 said:
Hmmmm....I think you are on to something here.
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Don't blame me if you wake up Boxing Day having slept the night on the couch :nono:
 
Wonderful!! You 2 have got it sorted then, i'm happy for you both :beerchug: (make that a protein shake chug)
 
yates84 said:
Don't worry about expiration dates on ph too much, store them properly and you will be gtg. My next cycle includes a bottle that expired in 09' lol
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This 100%

I'll have to find the study, but basically our military's stockpile of meds/drugs was way past expiration dates collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere.

The military teamed up with a top medical facility to conduct research on exactly how long these drugs/meds retained their efficacy.

Long story short, after testing hundreds of meds, something like 95% retained 90%+ of their respective potency for 10-15 years past expiration dates.
 
Could lower dose oral trest be used as a base for a SARM cycle? And if so, at what dose? I'm considering it to add in whole my doctor figures out my appropriate TRT dose, since trest and LGD won't influence test levels while already being on Androgel, correct?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Could lower dose oral trest be used as a base for a SARM cycle? And if so, at what dose? I'm considering it to add in whole my doctor figures out my appropriate TRT dose, since trest and LGD won't influence test levels while already being on Androgel, correct?
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When running this trest you will be on trt? Or are about to be on trt? On trt and levels just haven't been adjusted perfect yet?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Basically my low T symptoms are killing me and I'm sick of it.
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I would start at 50mg of dermatrest split every 12 hours and go from there. You should feel some relief at 50 to 75mg imo
 
GreenMachineX said:
Basically my low T symptoms are killing me and I'm sick of it.
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how are you going to get dialed in if you add other compound that what your doc prescribes. I don't blame you because I just started TRT and already planning my 1st cycle. For me, TRT opened up the doors to AAS and I accept it with open arms and I have accepted the risk involved.
 
yates84 said:
Don't worry about expiration dates on ph too much, store them properly and you will be gtg. My next cycle includes a bottle that expired in 09' lol
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That is what a lot of people have said but others have said that they begin to lose their potency. Others have even said that certain compounds change and convert into others. I am not chemist so I don't really know if any of them are true or bro science. I believe I read that about epistane. I don't have that in my stash so I am not too worried. I think my compounds have expired in 2012 and my serm has been expired as of 14. I know the serm I have works so purchasing another one from a different company is worrisome because the company I used before no longer has the same reputation.

I really don't want to purchase a serm again and worry about it being bunk or under dosed, but I also don't want to worry about using an expired serm that no longer works or lost potency.

I don't want to sound like I whiney little bitch but I take great care and consideration about what i consume. You only get one body right?
 
kboxer7 said:
This 100%

I'll have to find the study, but basically our military's stockpile of meds/drugs was way past expiration dates collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere.

The military teamed up with a top medical facility to conduct research on exactly how long these drugs/meds retained their efficacy.

Long story short, after testing hundreds of meds, something like 95% retained 90%+ of their respective potency for 10-15 years past expiration dates.
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I replied to yates's post before I had seen this post. I am going to look for this particular study.
 
Chrisko said:
Also, how long would it take to start feeling any effects from the epic?
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Should take less than 2 weeks to kick. I wish epistane turned in to pheraplex over time, I would have even more epi in my stash!
 
LGD vs RAD

Which one is less WET?
 
Chrisko said:
That is what a lot of people have said but others have said that they begin to lose their potency. Others have even said that certain compounds change and convert into others. I am not chemist so I don't really know if any of them are true or bro science. I believe I read that about epistane. I don't have that in my stash so I am not too worried. I think my compounds have expired in 2012 and my serm has been expired as of 14. I know the serm I have works so purchasing another one from a different company is worrisome because the company I used before no longer has the same reputation.

I really don't want to purchase a serm again and worry about it being bunk or under dosed, but I also don't want to worry about using an expired serm that no longer works or lost potency.

I don't want to sound like I whiney little bitch but I take great care and consideration about what i consume. You only get one body right?
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This whole post reeks of whiny little bitch. Every time I come in this thread you're whining about something.

How about you stop reading or "people are saying" and actually swallow some of your nearly four year old PH and find out? Or maybe just sit on it forever until it really dose lose potency.

And there's a million places to get a SERM rather than worry about oh mine is old or something might be underdosed or bunk. There's at least three legit sponsors on this board. And if you're actually resourceful and put some effort into it instead of fukking whining you could end up with some pharma stuff.

In fact if I didn't think you were such a massive d*ck I'd probably hook you up. But I do, so I won't.

EDIT: Do you even lift? Or just read studies about lifting.
 
Joedoubledose said:
Lgd , rad seems to be the only sarm that causes water retention/bloat from users experiences , but this may also be user dependent
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Lot of user dependant sides & pos results for all SARMs & those compounds loosely associated. Some guys reported mad bloat on MK at 20mg, moderate at 10mg - I got none at 30mg. No noticeable bloat on LGD either.

Rad is next on my list.

If in doubt, grab the cheapest bottle you can find & have a crack at it. If it's good, stock up. If it does little for you or the sides are too much to live with, ditch it.
 
Chrisko said:
That is what a lot of people have said but others have said that they begin to lose their potency. Others have even said that certain compounds change and convert into others. I am not chemist so I don't really know if any of them are true or bro science. I believe I read that about epistane. I don't have that in my stash so I am not too worried. I think my compounds have expired in 2012 and my serm has been expired as of 14. I know the serm I have works so purchasing another one from a different company is worrisome because the company I used before no longer has the same reputation.

I really don't want to purchase a serm again and worry about it being bunk or under dosed, but I also don't want to worry about using an expired serm that no longer works or lost potency.

I don't want to sound like I whiney little bitch but I take great care and consideration about what i consume. You only get one body right?
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I'm not looking to stomp on you (some more) here, but AustBenny has a point.
You have the products - use them. You're not flying to Pluto, this has all been done a million times before. In fact ask yates84 what his bedroom looks like, now that's stock you have lying around!!

Buy it, run it, assess it.
Note what it did for YOU, forget what other people say.
Then...
Buy a different it. Run it. Assess it.
Repeat.

You'll do your head in chasing research this, feedback that & the stuff will turn to dust. Have a crack my friend, just don't be a pig about it! :stups:
 
AustBenny said:
This whole post reeks of whiny little bitch. Every time I come in this thread you're whining about something.

How about you stop reading or "people are saying" and actually swallow some of your nearly four year old PH and find out? Or maybe just sit on it forever until it really dose lose potency.

And there's a million places to get a SERM rather than worry about oh mine is old or something might be underdosed or bunk. There's at least three legit sponsors on this board. And if you're actually resourceful and put some effort into it instead of fukking whining you could end up with some pharma stuff.

In fact if I didn't think you were such a massive d*ck I'd probably hook you up. But I do, so I won't.

EDIT: Do you even lift? Or just read studies about lifting.
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Why do you have to come in this forum and **** on people? Why do you have to resort to insults and name calling when I am here to simply ask questions and find out other user experience with different products. What the **** is your deal? Do you enter threads to just **** on people and then eventually the OP of the thread bans/blocks you from posting in the thread anymore like in previous threads? Don't do everyone an injustice and get this thread closed because you can't act like a decent civil human being.

People are here to ask questions and learn. How do you know my previous post didn't help out an unknown member in these forums? I believe there was recently a thread posted regarding expired compounds. Maybe that poster read this thread and my post and responses to my post and learned something.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe people don't want to go through the whole serm route again because of legality issues? Did you ever think about that? There have been plenty of times where people have been burned on compounds.

Do I even lift? What are you like ****ing four years old. Grow up.
 
Yeah i do just like sh*tting on guys like you. I'm being a d*ck and yes it's on purpose.

Stop asking questions you already know the answers to.

If unsure try it out yourself.

And if you care so much about your body and legality stick to food and natty supps d*p****.
 
cheeky1 said:
I'm not looking to stomp on you (some more) here, but AustBenny has a point.
You have the products - use them. You're not flying to Pluto, this has all been done a million times before. In fact ask yates84 what his bedroom looks like, now that's stock you have lying around!!

Buy it, run it, assess it.
Note what it did for YOU, forget what other people say.
Then...
Buy a different it. Run it. Assess it.
Repeat.

You'll do your head in chasing research this, feedback that & the stuff will turn to dust. Have a crack my friend, just don't be a pig about it! :stups:
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That's pretty much was I was getting at. Why stomp on someone? You chimed in without being a dick. Is it so difficult for others to do the same? I have ran expired Halo before and it seemed fine. Your signature is how I feel. You only have one body, so why is it a big deal if someone is cautious about what they ingest. A lot of people are here to learn and ask questions. How are people supposed to do that when others chime in only to criticize and insult?

I can understand if I was 17 or 18 and asking questions about pinning or other types of anabolics. Go right ahead and flame that person, hell I would do it along with you especially since there is so much evidence against starting at such a young age. That is not the case here. You are specifically stating to ask Yates and that is pretty much what I am doing.

I understand what you are saying and thank you for your input.
 
AustBenny said:
Yeah i do just like sh*tting on guys like you. I'm being a d*ck and yes it's on purpose.

Stop asking questions you already know the answers to.

If unsure try it out yourself.

And if you care so much about your body and legality stick to food and natty supps d*p****.
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Haha, real tough guy behind a key board huh?
 
Chrisko said:
I replied to yates's post before I had seen this post. I am going to look for this particular study.
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Every time I'm reminded of this I'm on mobile.

PM me so I remember when I'm at my PC and I'll post the link/study for the benefit of the forum.
 
It's nice to see everyone getting along in here :)
But seriously, this is an educational thread and should be more inclined to help each other out in here. Nobody will post a single legitimate question in the middle of an argument. I appreciate everyone's respect and if you have questions you don't want to ask in here then my pm's are always open.

Thanks everyone!
 
Agreed. Knock off the childish BS

Take your arguments to PM's.

Can't stand these personal attacks. So F'ng annoying.

Kills threads.

Everyone grow the F up.
 
Friend gave me a half bottle of sust 250
Wondering if I do 8 weeks osta at 15mg a day then run sust 250 for last 3 weeks of cycle? Any experience with sust 250?
 
Bigdumogre said:
Friend gave me a half bottle of sust 250
Wondering if I do 8 weeks osta at 15mg a day then run sust 250 for last 3 weeks of cycle? Any experience with sust 250?
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Isn't that one of those multi compound stacks? What's in it exactly?
 
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