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BLACK LION RESEARCH NEW (-)-EPICATECHIN

NoAddedHmones said:
Very interesting, so you are following the Myosynergy/Myo Elite direction. Will be cool to see how they compare..

Are you going to be discontinuing regular Follidrone?
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Gonna have to wait to see ;)
Follidrone will still be sold.
 
brundel said:
Gonna have to wait to see ;)
Follidrone will still be sold.
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What do you think the price range for this one will be? 70-80 a bottle? Not that it matters much anyways , ill still be trying it. The new ingredients, will they need to be cycled?
 
Price point not sure.

Cycled? No need. Could run it long term. But as with anything some time off is always good
 
pfresh said:
What do you think the price range for this one will be? 70-80 a bottle? Not that it matters much anyways , ill still be trying it. The new ingredients, will they need to be cycled?
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I dont think anyone seriously sells their products for 70-80$ unless they are trying to scam you.
 
I wonder if Brundel thought to test the (-)-epi with just the absorption enhancement and was able to determine that it was very beneficial? Hmmm
 
I believe Brundel is a very smart man. I believe I heard him say they test each product by it's self and how they interacted with each other.
 
brundel said:
I dont think anyone seriously sells their products for 70-80$ unless they are trying to scam you.
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It really does not need to be scam if someone sell their products for 100$ bottle. It depends on what is in the cap,purity,dose etc.
I can tell you, many plant,herb and other extracts are pretty expencive and there is NO WAY one company could sell a product for 20-40$ which contain high dose of those expencive and high quality extracts.
The main points are:

1. A brand use high enough dose but a poor quality extract
2. A brand use high quality extract but horrible low dose.
3. A brand use low quality extract at low dose
4. A brand use high quality extract at high dose (this will not happen because some of plant/herb extract are to expencive and a product would cost 100$ or even much more).

Here is an example:
A compound (my personal secret) which is ultra anabolic and has testosterone boosting properties (not to mention all health benefits), one gram of this cost around 150-200$.
So lets say you put 50mg i each cap. That is 20 days of 50mg (1g). As i said, it is 150-200$ for one gram. Lets say you pay 150$ each gram and make bottles (each 20 caps with 50mg). Ofcourse you need to earn money. So if you buy 1g for 150$ you would like to earn.lets say you sell it for 170$each bottle.

I would not say you are scaming anyone.
But ofcourse you would not sell this product to an average guy either. Everyone is looking for 20-40$ each bottle products
 
Danes said:
It really does not need to be scam if someone sell their products for 100$ bottle. It depends on what is in the cap,purity,dose etc.
I can tell you, many plant,herb and other extracts are pretty expencive and there is NO WAY one company could sell a product for 20-40$ which contain high dose of those expencive and high quality extracts.
The main points are:

1. A brand use high enough dose but a poor quality extract
2. A brand use high quality extract but horrible low dose.
3. A brand use low quality extract at low dose
4. A brand use high quality extract at high dose (this will not happen because some of plant/herb extract are to expencive and a product would cost 100$ or even much more).

Here is an example:
A compound (my personal secret) which is ultra anabolic and has testosterone boosting properties (not to mention all health benefits), one gram of this cost around 150-200$.
So lets say you put 50mg i each cap. That is 20 days of 50mg (1g). As i said, it is 150-200$ for one gram. Lets say you pay 150$ each gram and make bottles (each 20 caps with 50mg). Ofcourse you need to earn money. So if you buy 1g for 150$ you would like to earn.lets say you sell it for 170$each bottle.

I would not say you are scaming anyone.
But ofcourse you would not sell this product to an average guy either. Everyone is looking for 20-40$ each bottle products
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I wish i knew your secret
 
pfresh said:
I wish i knew your secret
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Its pretty easy to blow 200 in a month on supplements. I would pay for a product like this, especially considering you say it has health benefits. I don't think many people would pay for it though. Most people would rather spend 50 dollars on 4 products that don't work that well and run them all together.
 
Guys guys:) secret is secret :)
I cant tell at the moment. Because supplement companies would try to sell it and I bet they would bring some bad quality stuff selling for 20-40$ bottlr which is NOT possible. That would not be the real deal
 
pfresh said:
Its pretty easy to blow 200 in a month on supplements. I would pay for a product like this, especially considering you say it has health benefits. I don't think many people would pay for it though. Most people would rather spend 50 dollars on 4 products that don't work that well and run them all together.
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Pretty much this
 
Danes said:
Guys guys:) secret is secret :)
I cant tell at the moment. Because supplement companies would try to sell it and I bet they would bring some bad quality stuff selling for 20-40$ bottlr which is NOT possible. That would not be the real deal
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Don't make me go all the way to Norway to make you talk big guy !!! ;)
 
Danes said:
It really does not need to be scam if someone sell their products for 100$ bottle. It depends on what is in the cap,purity,dose etc.
I can tell you, many plant,herb and other extracts are pretty expencive and there is NO WAY one company could sell a product for 20-40$ which contain high dose of those expencive and high quality extracts.
The main points are:

1. A brand use high enough dose but a poor quality extract
2. A brand use high quality extract but horrible low dose.
3. A brand use low quality extract at low dose
4. A brand use high quality extract at high dose (this will not happen because some of plant/herb extract are to expencive and a product would cost 100$ or even much more).

Here is an example:
A compound (my personal secret) which is ultra anabolic and has testosterone boosting properties (not to mention all health benefits), one gram of this cost around 150-200$.
So lets say you put 50mg i each cap. That is 20 days of 50mg (1g). As i said, it is 150-200$ for one gram. Lets say you pay 150$ each gram and make bottles (each 20 caps with 50mg). Ofcourse you need to earn money. So if you buy 1g for 150$ you would like to earn.lets say you sell it for 170$each bottle.

I would not say you are scaming anyone.
But ofcourse you would not sell this product to an average guy either. Everyone is looking for 20-40$ each bottle products
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I have heard "insert what company you think"(I'm not gonna say the actually company. Last time i mentioned them in a same thread as BLR things got out of hand. Also this is a BLR thread and I don't want to take away from BLR) talk about something like this sorta(wonder if its the same thing). They mentioned an ingredient that they would love to bring to the market but its just isn't economically possible. Then later talked about it and they said it had something to do with the "damn Russian scientists" i don't remember whether it had to do with patents or what.
 
rtmilburn said:
I have heard "insert what company you think"(I'm not gonna say the actually company. Last time i mentioned them in a same thread as BLR things got out of hand. Also this is a BLR thread and I don't want to take away from BLR) talk about something like this sorta(wonder if its the same thing). They mentioned an ingredient that they would love to bring to the market but its just isn't economically possible. Then later talked about it and they said it had something to do with the "damn Russian scientists" i don't remember whether it had to do with patents or what.
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Russians? Hmmm I might know what ingredient you are talking about but its just a guess, I won't be putting it up :).
 
rtmilburn said:
I have heard "insert what company you think"(I'm not gonna say the actually company. Last time i mentioned them in a same thread as BLR things got out of hand. Also this is a BLR thread and I don't want to take away from BLR) talk about something like this sorta(wonder if its the same thing). They mentioned an ingredient that they would love to bring to the market but its just isn't economically possible. Then later talked about it and they said it had something to do with the "damn Russian scientists" i don't remember whether it had to do with patents or what.
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Seemed to work out well in the end though. :D
 
CJNator said:
Russians? Hmmm I might know what ingredient you are talking about but its just a guess, I won't be putting it up :).
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I wish I knew!!! I honestly have no idea what it is. The only thing i know it is NOT an ECDY of any type. I asked if it was and they said no.
 
rtmilburn said:
What ecdy or its analogs are you talking about?
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I was thinking ecdy but it was a random guess lol, I actually wasn't aware there are different forms of it.

Edit: I'm sure a little bit of googling would point us in the right direction.
 
I'm taking the raw maral root and it's definitely doing something. So I do think quality ecdy and similar natural substances have some merit.
 
rtmilburn said:
That's the conclusion i have came to as well
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Ecdysterone exhibited a strong hypertrophic effect on the fiber size of rat soleus muscle that was found even stronger compared to the test compounds metandienone (dianabol), estradienedione (trenbolox), and SARM S 1, all administered in the same dose (5 mg/kg body weight, for 21 days). In C2C12 myotubes ecdysterone(1 µM) induced a significant increase of the diameter comparable to dihydrotestosterone (1 µM) and IGF 1 (1.3 nM). Molecular docking experiments supported the ERβ mediated action of ecdysterone. To clarify its status in sports, ecdysterone should be considered to be included in the class "S1.2 Other Anabolic Agents" of the list of prohibited substances of the World Anti-Doping Agency.
 
Danes said:
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Ecdysterone exhibited a strong hypertrophic effect on the fiber size of rat soleus muscle that was found even stronger compared to the test compounds metandienone (dianabol), estradienedione (trenbolox), and SARM S 1, all administered in the same dose (5 mg/kg body weight, for 21 days). In C2C12 myotubes ecdysterone(1 µM) induced a significant increase of the diameter comparable to dihydrotestosterone (1 µM) and IGF 1 (1.3 nM). Molecular docking experiments supported the ERβ mediated action of*ecdysterone. To clarify its status in sports, ecdysterone should be considered to be included in the class "S1.2 Other Anabolic Agents" of the list of prohibited substances of the World Anti-Doping Agency.
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Ya but that's in rats. Also i think that was injected. There is not ANYWHERE that makes pure enough ECDY in a sterile enough environment that i would be willing to inject it that i know of.
 
rtmilburn said:
Ya but that's in rats. Also i think that was injected. There is not ANYWHERE that makes pure enough ECDY in a sterile enough environment that i would be willing to inject it that i know of.
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No need to inject and it was not injected.There is some absorption/bioavailability enhancers which works and like I said many times, Ecdysteroids works but it is VERY important with right dosage and high purity. But one thing is for sure. It is NOT cost effective. But it works!
 
Danes said:
No need to inject. There is some absorption/bioavailability enhancers which works and like I said many times, Ecdysteroids works but it is VERY important with right dosage and high purity. But one thing is for sure. It is NOT cost effective. But it works!
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Ok i see.
 
Danes said:
One thing is for sure :)
You can NEVER buy cheap but quality ecdy product :) ecdysterone/ecdysteroids(analogues etc) at 98% HPLC purity, its EXPENCIVE
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I might just look into it, see where I can get some, and if I can find a reputable company that sells it save up some money for it just for fun once I bulk.
 
Danes said:
One thing is for sure :)
You can NEVER buy cheap but quality ecdy product :) ecdysterone/ecdysteroids(analogues etc) at 98% HPLC purity, its EXPENCIVE
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I would be more interested in learning the absorption enhancers for ecdy. Also what ecdy/s at what dosage/s you would recommend if money wasn't an issue.
 
CJNator said:
I might just look into it, see where I can get some, and if I can find a reputable company that sells it save up some money for it just for fun once I bulk.
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PM if you have any questions about ecdysteroids.

Btw, apologise , this is actually thread about BLR new Epi.
 
Any updates on this? I was going to buy two bottles of follidrone but decided that because im running this log , cant run them now anyways. I know this should be coming out soon. Im so excited for this stuff, like hands down,buying it the day it comes out, two bottles. If it comes out by the time i get back from vacation. This will be my next log.
 
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