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EvoMuse Presents: Epitome™

Matt,

For someone sub 10% bodyfat, how would you dose the leptigen basic along with epitome. I train typically around 5 pm...
 
Max32 said:
Matt,

For someone sub 10% bodyfat, how would you dose the leptigen basic along with epitome. I train typically around 5 pm...
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I would take it first thing in the morning and before bed.
 
dsade said:
I would take it first thing in the morning and before bed.
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Ok gotcha. So just take the leptigen and epitome together? I saw you mentioned you prefer in between meals, I typically eat right before bed so any issue taking after that last meal?
 
I would scoot it earlier then, unless that last meal is very low carb.

Epitome is more ideal taking mid morning and mid afternoon, leaving room for either basic or rebirth first and last thing.
 
jaynice said:
Would you recommend taking Ketoinduce in addition to Rebirth and Epitome?
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Depending on your body fat level, it would yield some highly dramatic results.
 
mechka_grizli said:
Is there a timeline on when Rebirth will be available?
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I finished the inventory from the move, and I am still missing 2 ingredients. They are on rush shipping. I want this out no later than 11/1.
 
dsade said:
I finished the inventory from the move, and I am still missing 2 ingredients. They are on rush shipping. I want this out no later than 11/1.
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That's awesome to hear. I've got stocks of Epitome, Brite Hybrid, Lipomorph, and Ammo and I'm back in full time ketosis. Rebirth will be the last magic pixie dust I want to kick this all into high gear.
 
vasu said:
That's awesome to hear. I've got stocks of Epitome, Brite Hybrid, Lipomorph, and Ammo and I'm back in full time ketosis. Rebirth will be the last magic pixie dust I want to kick this all into high gear.
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That sounds like a heck of a fun ride. Be sure to update us on it when it's go time.
 
Confirmed shipping for tomorrow, arrival Friday.
 
vasu said:
yesssss it's happening!

how long from ingredient arrival to sale ya think?
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It's capped up already, being bottled and shipped to me tomorrow. I should have it ready to ship out on Friday, latest Monday.
 
cubsfan815 said:
The Epitome correct? Rebirth still November?
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I sent the list of missing ingredients to my supplier, so hoping they get turned around fast enough for me to release before my surgery.

Found out yesterday that my blood infection is back with a vengeance, in spite of 9 weeks of IV antibiotics, and now 5-6 weeks of double hit (Bactrim and Keflex) orals. I don't know what the hell mutant strain this is, but it's shaking off these antibotics like a flyweight's jab.
 
dsade said:
I sent the list of missing ingredients to my supplier, so hoping they get turned around fast enough for me to release before my surgery.

Found out yesterday that my blood infection is back with a vengeance, in spite of 9 weeks of IV antibiotics, and now 5-6 weeks of double hit (Bactrim and Keflex) orals. I don't know what the hell mutant strain this is, but it's shaking off these antibotics like a flyweight's jab.
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Man that's nasty. My wife was just on iv antibiotics, as well as Bactrim.

She had what started out looking like mosquito bite, turned out to be MRSA. She was in ER 2x, then hospital 5 days. Now she goes to wound care 2x week. I have been sanitizing house non stop, scared of it.
 
cubsfan815 said:
Man that's nasty. My wife was just on iv antibiotics, as well as Bactrim.

She had what started out looking like mosquito bite, turned out to be MRSA. She was in ER 2x, then hospital 5 days. Now she goes to wound care 2x week. I have been sanitizing house non stop, scared of it.
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Came back as Staph, but supposedly NOT MRSA...but this thing doesn't seem to want to go anywhere. I have to get this **** clear before surgery or there's no way they will touch me.
 
dsade said:
Came back as Staph, but supposedly NOT MRSA...but this thing doesn't seem to want to go anywhere. I have to get this **** clear before surgery or there's no way they will touch me.
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Sounds like MRSA. Hope they find something to knock it out.
 
I need to order some more Epitome. I confess is scares me just a little bit, because it leaves me with a full feeling in my stomach that I'm only used to getting when I have digestive issues. That, and I have to set a timer to remind myself to eat. Otherwise, it's great stuff! <grin>
 
I seriously have to force myself to eat at night... very strange feeling for me. This has BEYOND exceeded my expectations.
 
I couldn't even finish my shrimp tacos tonight.
 
cubsfan815 said:
I couldn't even finish a pink taco. Can't wait till my metabolic rebirth delivers on Saturday, going to get real fun.
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That sounds fantastic to me! You think that metabolic rebirth will even be more helpful for fighting with that hunger signals?
cubsfan815: do you plan on running epitome together with metabolic rebirth, alternate them or how is your strategy?
fitstar
 
fitstar said:
That sounds fantastic to me! You think that metabolic rebirth will even be more helpful for fighting with that hunger signals?
cubsfan815: do you plan on running epitome together with metabolic rebirth, alternate them or how is your strategy?
fitstar
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I'm currently doing Metabolic Rebirth/Epitome.

1 serving Rebirth upon waking 7am and 1 before bed.
1 Epitome at 10am and 1 at 3pm

The only issue I'm having is around 6pm, my appetite is really high from being so suppressed all day. I may either move Epitome to maybe 1130 then 4, although that getting close to 530 workout.

Edit: I'm also running a GDA before meals. Plus a stim fat burner on days I need a boost energy wise.
 
Interesting! Did it help to space epitome a little later apart?
how do you feel adding in rebirth? I mean you did epitome on its own and your experience gives me hope as I still have that obese mindset, still hungry despite I am lean (for being a female but still a long way to go for my final ripped goal and stay there!).
Do you feeling suppressed because also doing the fasting thing/warrior?
or do you feel this since adding rebirth? Just curious as I want to try rebirth on its own because from Matts writings, it seems that I am just right in the category where epitome does not work properly. Too lean for epitome but not so Lean that I can do that leptigen, epitome stack for those who hit the single digits!
so do rebirth until I get there, then epitome and,or leptigen!

Gda: you use slintensity? Do you add nrala like MidwestBeast?
Fitstar
 
fitstar said:
Interesting! Did it help to space epitome a little later apart?
how do you feel adding in rebirth? I mean you did epitome on its own and your experience gives me hope as I still have that obese mindset, still hungry despite I am lean (for being a female but still a long way to go for my final ripped goal and stay there!).
Do you feeling suppressed because also doing the fasting thing/warrior?
or do you feel this since adding rebirth? Just curious as I want to try rebirth on its own because from Matts writings, it seems that I am just right in the category where epitome does not work properly. Too lean for epitome but not so Lean that I can do that leptigen, epitome stack for those who hit the single digits!
so do rebirth until I get there, then epitome and,or leptigen!

Gda: you use slintensity? Do you add nrala like MidwestBeast?
Fitstar
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I haven't messed with spacing yet. It's just convenient to take on my work breaks.

The appetite suppression comes from Epitome, I don't notice an increase in suppression from the Metabolic Rebirth.

The GDA I use is not an Evomuse product, however it does contain na-r- ala.
 
fitstar said:
Interesting! Did it help to space epitome a little later apart?
how do you feel adding in rebirth? I mean you did epitome on its own and your experience gives me hope as I still have that obese mindset, still hungry despite I am lean (for being a female but still a long way to go for my final ripped goal and stay there!).
Do you feeling suppressed because also doing the fasting thing/warrior?
or do you feel this since adding rebirth? Just curious as I want to try rebirth on its own because from Matts writings, it seems that I am just right in the category where epitome does not work properly. Too lean for epitome but not so Lean that I can do that leptigen, epitome stack for those who hit the single digits!
so do rebirth until I get there, then epitome and,or leptigen!

Gda: you use slintensity? Do you add nrala like MidwestBeast?
Fitstar
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FWIW, Epitome I think can still work through just about all that middle range; it just won't be as effective as those optimal ranges.

I say that because I've been using it for quite a while now; had been dosing just one cap in the AM for a month or two and recently (within the month, I believe) bumped back to the twice a day dosing and noticed an increase in the vascularity along with the subtle fat loss despite the scale not dropping quicker.

I'll be adding Rebirth as soon as I get it and sticking with both.

And Slintensity is always in my cupboard for high carb meals -- ALWAYS lol. And it's certainly effective without NaRALA, but I just love that combo (especially with Defuse added in if it's just gonna be a ridiculous meal -- which are rare, but will certainly be happening in just over a week).
 
Beast - what did 1 a day (in the am) of Epitome do for you? I was thinking of trying that due to my schedule but never saw anybody go with less than the full dose. I work from home so I'm up at 9:00 am, work out at 3:00 pm, and bed time is 2:00 am +/-. The 5 hour spacing throws a bit of a kink in my schedule, I'm not sure I'd be crazy about taking a second Epitome dose around 8 pm. Planning on stacking with Basic or Ammo as well.
 
I've actually taken the first capsule when I wake up to pee at like 5-7 am... Then another one 4-5 hours later, working out at 6-7pm so you could try that
 
jumper75 said:
Beast - what did 1 a day (in the am) of Epitome do for you? I was thinking of trying that due to my schedule but never saw anybody go with less than the full dose. I work from home so I'm up at 9:00 am, work out at 3:00 pm, and bed time is 2:00 am +/-. The 5 hour spacing throws a bit of a kink in my schedule, I'm not sure I'd be crazy about taking a second Epitome dose around 8 pm. Planning on stacking with Basic or Ammo as well.
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I still got some of the increased vascularity and other properties; just no where near what the 2 caps does (which I didn't notice until I went back to 2 caps and saw the changes lol). But it definitely still works (for me, at least).

Most of the time I just make sure it's like 4 hours away from my workout and don't worry about it and it's worked fine. So if you dosed at like 8 PM like you plan on, that's still plenty ahead of bedtime.

Out of curiosity, why are you hesitant about the 8 PM dosing time?
 
chedapalooza said:
Any reason not to take at bed?
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IIRC, it was in relation to interrupting protein synthesis (same reason for avoiding around workout).

So that's why Rebirth and Basic are great; as they can be taken then (along with STRAFE and then ultimately Keto-Induce, too).
 
MidwestBeast said:
I still got some of the increased vascularity and other properties; just no where near what the 2 caps does (which I didn't notice until I went back to 2 caps and saw the changes lol). But it definitely still works (for me, at least).

Most of the time I just make sure it's like 4 hours away from my workout and don't worry about it and it's worked fine. So if you dosed at like 8 PM like you plan on, that's still plenty ahead of bedtime.

Out of curiosity, why are you hesitant about the 8 PM dosing time?
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Sounds so good. The increased vascularity is not something I expected for epitome. I just thought it would work for that hunger, leptin issues.
so beside brite, epitome might even work well in the long run for better recomp purposes?
 
fitstar said:
Sounds so good. The increased vascularity is not something I expected for epitome. I just thought it would work for that hunger, leptin issues.
so beside brite, epitome might even work well in the long run for better recomp purposes?
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It has gotten better for me over time.

That may just be that I'm leaner now, but I've been using it while getting leaner and it's definitely a product I enjoy more now than I did at first (despite still enjoying it then -- I just like it so much more now).
 
MidwestBeast said:
IIRC, it was in relation to interrupting protein synthesis (same reason for avoiding around workout).

So that's why Rebirth and Basic are great; as they can be taken then (along with STRAFE and then ultimately Keto-Induce, too).
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Got it yea that makes sense. So how far away from sleep is recommended then?
 
So excited, I hope Matt put me a great stack together to start and then update in when visiting beautiful Usa in about 3 to 4 months again with an empty suitcase to leave enough space for that Evomuse magic :-)
keep up the progress, guys!
fistar
 
fitstar said:
So excited, I hope Matt put me a great stack together to start and then update in when visiting beautiful Usa in about 3 to 4 months again with an empty suitcase to leave enough space for that Evomuse magic :-)
keep up the progress, guys!
fistar
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You better make sure that suitcase is the large, checked variety. You'll have way too much to fit into a carry-on ;)
 
MidwestBeast said:
You better make sure that suitcase is the large, checked variety. You'll have way too much to fit into a carry-on ;)
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She's getting a 10 by 10 by 10 box stuffed full of goodies.
 
Yeah, I am so excited, I came here for surgery and so happy that it went so smooth,etc
BUT TO BE HONEST: it is my product stack that comes tomorrow that matters most to me :-)
so will review everything and read all your experiences but will probably ask some more questions!
fly back on Friday and because of time zone and that terrible long flight I will be there Saturday afternoon, try to get my jetlag done over the weekend and start my stack on Monday. This leaves me enough time to see how epitome, brite and so on can work best with my if schedule.
Started twice daily short walks, will be allowed for some minor light upper body weights when I start that supp regimen on Monday.
keep u posted and hope for tips etc.
fitstar
 
Order arrived, will start super stack on Monday when being at home and jetleg is over!
but I could not resist to start epitome right away, first dose on 12pm, then dose around 6pm again :-)
Being, fat, then losing weight, got quite lean, then those cravings started, for months I took in around 5000, even 7000 ed and did not become fat as I have quite a good metabolism but those veins on my abs are gone!
I am under 20 bf wise which is not too bad for a female but I want more.
try my best, see how far I can come, be a positive role model to other formerly obese persons that everything is possible.
those binges were terrible as I always felt hungry, after surgery it got better had just one huge binge since then but I feel that it starts getting hard again to control my eating as I got leaner after the surgery.
my body wants to get fat again but I refuse to do so.
I hope that epitome might help that it might get easier to stay disciplined!
I want to use high cal, binges every now and then to keep my metabolism high but not ed, it is not fun anymore if you eat 2 pizzas, 10 bars of chocolate, a whole cake,etc in a few minutes and feel still hungry.
hope these times are over and eating will become a pleasure, do not want to be afraid of eating again but that cravings were so bad that I am in fact afraid of eating now!
fitstar
 
Binge, well not that huge but maybe because of 1 h walking straight for the 1st time after surgery, but I hope it is not epitome that I took yesterday 2x To get started.
took 4 defuse to help with that binge and got a vein on my abs after eating that muvh stuff,only for 2 hours after but cool
 
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