booneman77
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I got them when i first started, but that was just the first couple days. I get that every time with any forskolin product. Goes away quickly though
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I got them when i first started, but that was just the first couple days. I get that every time with any forskolin product. Goes away quickly though
schizm
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Haven't used shift yet, but anything with forskolin in it gives me near runs/soft stools for quite a while while using it...you tried any other forsk product before?
kbayne
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Forskolin causes GI distress in numerous individuals.
DieselNY
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Yes never had an issue but I think I'm taking too much because in addition to 3 caps of shift I take 3 caps of 95+. I'll ease up with the 95+.
I had no problem the first week of shift but now that I think of it the only change was adding in 95+.
Curious if this issue goes away after a while or I have no choice but to cut back on the 95+.?
Synapsin
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Why are you taking so much forskolin a day? Stick to 50-100 mg max.
kdubson14
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I think you need to acknowledge that taking alphamine and going to sleep for two hours then waking up and eating will have no significant effect on his fat loss
schizm
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Oooh ya, I'd def tweak the forsk intake to what Synapsin suggested above...
kbayne
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For one, I said I doubt you'll be able to go back to sleep after taking Alphamine.
Second, the reason he is wanting to go about dosing this way is to simply resist the urge to consume food which would cause an insulin response and negate the effects of Alphamine.
Third, it actually would have an effect on fat loss but like I stated above, it would be best to be active following Alphamine if lipolysis is the main goal.
Again, read the literature
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kbayne
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There's no need for that amount of Forskolin.
I would drop the Forskolin to 50mg from Shift and then if you want more, add a cap or two of F95+.
kdubson14
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For one, I said I doubt you'll be able to go back to sleep after taking Alphamine.
Second, the reason he is wanting to go about dosing this way is to simply resist the urge to consume food which would cause an insulin response and negate the effects of Alphamine.
Third, it actually would have an effect on fat loss but like I stated above, it would be best to be active following Alphamine if lipolysis is the main goal.
Again, read the literature
Lipolysis != fat oxidation
HIT4ME
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Actually, yes, but not at the recommended dose. I have gone through 2 bottles at 2 pills/day and noticed very little if anything over the timeframe. I will say, over the past 2 months I've had a lot going on and my diet has not been in check. I took a 2 week break from my PSMF and it kind of stretched and had a lot of starts and stops over 8 weeks rather than 2 weeks. My weight has remained about the same...
I'm back on a PSMF and for about 10 days I've been running at 4 pills/day of shift. I know this is not recommended, but I am crazy like that. This may be my last post, if it is, you know what happened. At any rate, at 4 pills/day, the effects are much more pronounced. I get the runs from the forskolin, I'm lethargic and tired. I've felt like I have chronic fatigue, but I'm not sure if this is because I actually do have CF from all the stuff going on, or if it's the Shift. Getting back on my PSMF for the past week has me dropping almost 9 pounds in a week - but much of this is water weight and I'm also taking TTA with it. No other fat burners until I started exotherm yesterday.
I'd say the effects become somewhat more negative at 4 caps/day, but the fat loss may be more pronounced. At 2 caps, I don't think the product is all that great. This is almost exactly how I felt about ANS Diablo too.
Funny thing is - I've used up to 1 gram of 20% forskolin (200 mg/day) and never even noticed having the runs. At 100 mg F95, I'm going a few times a day. But it's not so bad....
kbayne
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The breakdown of fat to release fatty acids, yes. Which is one key step in fat loss.
kdubson14
Active member
And when you have an abundance of NEFAs available but no need to oxidize them, they just get re-esterified.
Xrkc6x
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For one, I said I doubt you'll be able to go back to sleep after taking Alphamine.
Second, the reason he is wanting to go about dosing this way is to simply resist the urge to consume food which would cause an insulin response and negate the effects of Alphamine.
Third, it actually would have an effect on fat loss but like I stated above, it would be best to be active following Alphamine if lipolysis is the main goal.
Again, read the literature
exactly that was exactly the reason why, obviously that taking the dose as a pre WO would work better, but that is another story.
comparing the two things:
taking 2 scoops upon wake up (as described on the PES directions label)
or
taking 2 scoops upon wake up and go to sleep
doesn't change the effectiveness neither the way it works if I would have taken the dosage without coming back to sleep.
said that, again, obviously games changing comparing the "upon wake up" with the "pre WO" I like it as a pre WO since it gives me the kick I like to start my training, like in the morning, it gives me the "good morning kick" ha!
HIT4ME
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I think you are right and I don't think kbayne disagrees with you on this fact. I think the issue is that you are focused on a smaller piece of the picture. If you take this and go to sleep for two hours, the fat loss you experience over those two hours will be small, if any. That is correct. However, the same is probably true of if you take this and stay awake for 2 hours - the fat loss will be minimal - mainly because regardless of whether you're awake or asleep, the body has to absorb it first, and if the fatty acids get released, it will take a little time to happen.
In this case, the sleep is to avoid eating, which may interfere with absorption, if I'm reading it correctly - so it should work just fine.
LiveToLift
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I agree I don't have the balls to test it out. Haha
Xrkc6x
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I am in the right mind to do it
LiveToLift
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Xrkc6x
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You seem just the right level of wild and crazy to give it a shot!
I always have been testing things ahahah
LiveToLift
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Xrkc6x
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In that case you should hop on the R&D squad.
what's the R&D squad?
breezy11
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Research and development.
Xrkc6x
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Pec.Major
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Okey. Well for me to get it is hard. The distributors will not take in a brand or product just because I want it. I can buy from Uk though, only problem is it has not arrived there yet.
Pec.Major
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Xrkc6x
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LiveToLift
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Its alright! I found it.
Good deal brother. Hope to hear some feedback when you get taken care of and finish a run. I'm sure you will be pleased with shift.
Pec.Major
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Good deal brother. Hope to hear some feedback when you get taken care of and finish a run. I'm sure you will be pleased with shift.
Unfortunately they do not ship to my country. I Have to wait till it arrives in the UK.
Xrkc6x
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Unfortunately they do not ship to my country. I Have to wait till it arrives in the UK.
Are u not in the UK?
LiveToLift
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Unfortunately they do not ship to my country. I Have to wait till it arrives in the UK.
Crap bro. I must have read your comment wrong. Thought you were saying you were being taken care of! Best of luck with the search! I couldn't imagine not being able to have everything PES readily available. We are spoiled here in the states.
Xrkc6x
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I thought he was from UK and I sent him the link of an Italian distributor that actually has shift, they ship to UK so assume he is not from UK
Pec.Major
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Nopp, I am from Sweden.
Yeah I thought so too. But that italian distributor did not have sweden as an shipping destination. Otherwise I would buy! Much cheapier with € then £. Maybe they can add Sweden as shipping alternative. Will mail them!
Yeah man, I should have told you that I was for Sweden. I was though surprised that they did not send it there. They send to Norway, so sending to Sweden cant be that big of a problem.
Xrkc6x
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Nopp, I am from Sweden.
Yeah I thought so too. But that italian distributor did not have sweden as an shipping destination. Otherwise I would buy! Much cheapier with € then £. Maybe they can add Sweden as shipping alternative. Will mail them!
Yeah man, I should have told you that I was for Sweden. I was though surprised that they did not send it there. They send to Norway, so sending to Sweden cant be that big of a problem.
Send em an email and ask
PharmAnalyst
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Would shift + the discontinued genomyx decimate be overkill?
kbayne
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I don't see any issues in stacking the two.
Pec.Major
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Send em an email and ask
Apparently they do ship to sweden.
Should I go with one or two bottles of shift? I also wonder if there is any drug interaction with the ingredients in shift? ( for example: Advil, anti anixety medication)
bolt10
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Apparently they do ship to sweden.
Should I go with one or two bottles of shift? I also wonder if there is any drug interaction with the ingredients in shift? ( for example: Advil, anti anixety medication)
One should be plenty to see the benefits, but results are definitely improved with continued use (basically just meaning 8>4 haha). If you plan to cut for 8 weeks go with 2.
As far as interactions of medication that is something you would have to consult a medical professional about, we can't recommend use with prescription medication.
Pec.Major
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Alright! Tell me though, what can I expect when using Shift? I know calorie defict is needed to lose fat, but I guess this product works more then just for cutting.One should be plenty to see the benefits, but results are definitely improved with continued use (basically just meaning 8>4 haha). If you plan to cut for 8 weeks go with 2.
As far as interactions of medication that is something you would have to consult a medical professional about, we can't recommend use with prescription medication.
Great. Two it will be!
Xrkc6x
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have a look on my log a what "shift" did to my body with calories deficit+training+diet and also I had T low and E high so not really a good situation but it worked out great anyway!
bolt10
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Ya check out dude belows log (he's documented some great progress). In general Shift will decrease appetite, increase cAMP (through the Forskolin + matrix) which should improve fat burning and improve lbm retention, and should improve recovery during the caloric deficit (the adaptogenic benefits of rhodiola shouldn't be forgotten, absolutely love that ingredient).
Xrkc6x
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also...... forget about being hungry ha! you can literally not eat for at least 6-8h at least that was my experience
and that is a great plus! I miss that hungry-ness sensation 
LiveToLift
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Shift summed up perfectly. Very excited to start my next mini cut with shift in the mix.
Pec.Major
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Yeah I saw his before and after picture, amazing job.
Okey that sounds intriguing. I think I have seen cooper mentioned that it work as a GDA ,(olive extract) as well, not sure it is that strong though.
bolt10
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Yeah I saw his before and after picture, amazing job.
Okey that sounds intriguing. I think I have seen cooper mentioned that it work as a GDA ,(olive extract) as well, not sure it is that strong though.
Ya I didn't list all the benefits (I apologize I was on the way to lift haha).
Ya it should help in that regard as well.
Pec.Major
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LiveToLift
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In the end, its all about the lifting
Great!
What better feeling than approaching the gym with that pre-workout blend hitting you? Like no other!