Olympus Labs EP1C UNLEASHED! Next Generation Epicatechin!

Olympus Labs said:
Were you doing 2 ml all at once? I think splitting the TD dosing would be best, and then the 2 caps pre-workout. Welcome to PR city man
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I was doing two pumps in the morning, applying one pump to each arm, so 4 mL in the morning. Worked well for me, and that way I didn't have to worry about splitting up the pumps. I got a 1 mL dropper thing recently, so I guess now I could use it to measure 1 mL for each arm 2x a day.

thescience said:
Hold on, you tried epi 2.0? I was interested but i couldnt digest the ad; they claimed sulfer atoms destroy epi when taken transdermally: having added 30lbs to my cleans at the time putting this goop on my arms, i couldnt accept their premise. Anyway, how was it?
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Haha, yeah I bought Epi 2.0. I like Strong Supp Shop and Vital Labs. Ads will be ads, but I thought the ingredients and price were right. I thought it was a good product. Seemed to make more gains, but it's hard to say what was from what since I was also taking DermaStrength, Ep1c Unleashed TD, LJ100, and ECA through various points of it.
 
thescience said:
Hold on, you tried epi 2.0? I was interested but i couldnt digest the ad; they claimed sulfer atoms destroy epi when taken transdermally: having added 30lbs to my cleans at the time putting this goop on my arms, i couldnt accept their premise. Anyway, how was it?
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I'm running epi 2.0 I'm on my 3rd bottle, it leans you out pretty good and and keeps ou full, the endurance I got from it was modest.. Nothing I would spend $50 on. But it's an average epi product I would say. I would stick with ep1c or tryout Black lion researchs new epi product coming out soon.
 
baxtecal said:
I'm running epi 2.0 I'm on my 3rd bottle, it leans you out pretty good and and keeps ou full, the endurance I got from it was modest.. Nothing I would spend $50 on. But it's an average epi product I would say. I would stick with ep1c or tryout Black lion researchs new epi product coming out soon.
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thanks. yeah, with epi 2.0 i was strongly lured by the generous, up-front epi content in something that could be better absorbed, but i wasnt sold on their delivery method or the idea that adding quercitin doubles the lifespan of epi. add the fact that users arent raving about it and i will let that one pass. if it turns out that more epi through a better delivery method is more beneficial, i believe the next next generation of epi will be a high dose with advanced delivery, followed by oral high dose/advanced delivery/sustained release. otherwise, im going to be smelling like orange limonine goop for the rest of my days
 
musclebound said:
going to pull the trigger on ep1c an xgels , which form should i get for ep1c, TD or pills?
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That's a nice combo for sure. Be sure to pick up some LCLT or hydromax from PES high volume to help with x gels. Form of ep1c depends on your Personal preference. I prefer oral Bc I don't shower at the same time every day and I really enjoy the acute pre workout effects from two capsules.

You could run both if budget permits, using the TD in the AM and the oral prior to your workouts (TD only on off days) and it would make your run last a little longer as well. If I had to pick ONE, I'm partial to oral for Personal schedule reasons!
 
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After workout lower belly fat completely gone as of week 6 on ep1c unleashed

Pic 2 after post workout meal I wanted to show there is no filter on the pic and point out the upper ab separation and the v taper in the hips/obliques.

I have NEVER looked like this in my entire life, even when i dieted to 6% at age 17... I'm a pure endomorph when it comes to diet protocol but also have some skinny fat ecto properties when it comes to training requirements.

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The last pic is 3 weeks ago... No dietary or workout change... Just continued the same protocols and the changes in body comp continued
 
chedapalooza said:
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After workout lower belly fat completely gone as of week 6 on ep1c unleashed

Pic 2 after post workout meal I wanted to show there is no filter on the pic and point out the upper ab separation and the v taper in the hips/obliques.

I have NEVER looked like this in my entire life, even when i dieted to 6% at age 17... I'm a pure endomorph when it comes to diet protocol but also have some skinny fat ecto properties when it comes to training requirements.

Needless to say at this point, ep1c unleashed is special.Invalid Link Removed

The last pic is 3 weeks ago... No dietary or workout change... Just continued the same protocols and the changes in body comp continued
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I can see a noticeable difference from 3 weeks ago till todays pic. Great work man imagine what long term usage of this stuff will bring
 
Olympus Labs said:
I can see a noticeable difference from 3 weeks ago till todays pic. Great work man imagine what long term usage of this stuff will bring
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Thanks. I am thinking the same thing which is why I still have two months to go.. I will reassess midway thru August and see if I want to grab more.. Probably will anyway during 4th of July sales
 
Great progress, Looking GOOD!!
 
Nitro41 said:
Anyone pushing the doseage limits? How much transdermal does it take to reach a point where adding more has diminishing results?

Planning on starting doseage at 2ml split 1 AM 1PM for PCT.
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I wouldn't want to because today i accidentally took 4 caps(took 2 and forgot that i did so i re-dosed like 5mins later. Then on when on way to the gym i realized that i did that.) and my BP is way to low. It is 105/56. I had to stop my workout because i felt light headed dizzy and sick. All probably due to low BP. I do have to say that pumps were fuçking insane tho!!!!!
 
rtmilburn said:
I wouldn't want to because today i accidentally took 4 caps(took 2 and forgot that i did so i re-dosed like 5mins later. Then on when on way to the gym i realized that i did that.) and my BP is way to low. It is 105/56. I had to stop my workout because i felt light headed dizzy and sick. All probably due to low BP. I do have to say that pumps were fuçking insane tho!!!!!
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There is actually very recent research which has come out showing -epi's dose dependant effect on relaxation of human internal mammary artery. The Study showed:

(-)-epicatechin induces strong endothelium-independent relaxation of HIMA pre-contracted by phenylephrine whilst 4-AP- and margatoxin-sensitive KV channels, as well as BKCa and KATP channels, located in vascular smooth muscle, mediate this relaxation. In addition, it seems that (-)-epicatechin could inhibit influx of extracellular Ca2þ, interfere with intracellular Ca2þ release and re-uptake by the sarcoplasmic reticulum.

Probably explains why your blood pressure was reduced significantly following a double dose. Did you also ultilise nitrates PWO?
 
NoAddedHmones said:
There is actually very recent research which has come out showing -epi's dose dependant effect on relaxation of human internal mammary artery. The Study showed:

(-)-epicatechin induces strong endothelium-independent relaxation of HIMA pre-contracted by phenylephrine whilst 4-AP- and margatoxin-sensitive KV channels, as well as BKCa and KATP channels, located in vascular smooth muscle, mediate this relaxation. In addition, it seems that (-)-epicatechin could inhibit influx of extracellular Ca2þ, interfere with intracellular Ca2þ release and re-uptake by the sarcoplasmic reticulum.

Probably explains why your blood pressure was reduced significantly following a double dose. Did you also ultilise nitrates PWO?
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No preworkout or nitrates just PA and 4caps ep1c unleashed. But ya that would make sense.
 
rtmilburn said:
I wouldn't want to because today i accidentally took 4 caps(took 2 and forgot that i did so i re-dosed like 5mins later. Then on when on way to the gym i realized that i did that.) and my BP is way to low. It is 105/56. I had to stop my workout because i felt light headed dizzy and sick. All probably due to low BP. I do have to say that pumps were fuçking insane tho!!!!!
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Had the same experience
 
NoAddedHmones said:
There is actually very recent research which has come out showing -epi's dose dependant effect on relaxation of human internal mammary artery. The Study showed:

(-)-epicatechin induces strong endothelium-independent relaxation of HIMA pre-contracted by phenylephrine whilst 4-AP- and margatoxin-sensitive KV channels, as well as BKCa and KATP channels, located in vascular smooth muscle, mediate this relaxation. In addition, it seems that (-)-epicatechin could inhibit influx of extracellular Ca2þ, interfere with intracellular Ca2þ release and re-uptake by the sarcoplasmic reticulum.

Probably explains why your blood pressure was reduced significantly following a double dose. Did you also ultilise nitrates PWO?
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So I have a problem with some compounds raising my BP, do you think epi would help counter this problem ??
 
Rocket3015 said:
So I have a problem with some compounds raising my BP, do you think epi would help counter this problem ??
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Dunno Rocket, weren't you using follidrone when your BP was elevated? Talk to your doc about the issue and he can give your advice how to counteract it.

Remember old mate, you only have one body. Take care of it and understand what you are putting in your system (seriously).
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Dunno Rocket, weren't you using follidrone when your BP was elevated? Talk to your doc about the issue and he can give your advice how to counteract it.

Remember old mate, you only have one body. Take care of it and understand what you are putting in your system (seriously).
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This. Rocket3015. EPIC Unleashed is intended as a muscle builder, not a BP control supplement. Although there is some research indicating that epicatechin may have an effect on your blood pressure, I don't believe there has been enough study on this interaction to determine proper dosing and other potential side effects.
As NoAddedHmones advised, talk to your doctor before attempting to exceed the recommended doses.
 
I was thinking out loud, all very good advice.
 
I've never taken anything other than ergonine and protein. Just got 2 bottles of ultimate T. Would EP1C unleashed be good compliment to what I am/will be taking? Is EP1C unleashed too strong for my first try at epicatechin? Thanks
 
datsthat said:
I've never taken anything other than ergonine and protein. Just got 2 bottles of ultimate T. Would EP1C unleashed be good compliment to what I am/will be taking? Is EP1C unleashed too strong for my first try at epicatechin? Thanks
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That wouldn't be too much as observations would fall into two different categories in terms of effects. If your worried about the strength of Unleashed then you can always start with 1 cap PWO for a week and increase to two after that. Nothing wrong with taking your time and easing into a new supplement.
 
TheMovement said:
That wouldn't be too much as observations would fall into two different categories in terms of effects. If your worried about the strength of Unleashed then you can always start with 1 cap PWO for a week and increase to two after that. Nothing wrong with taking your time and easing into a new supplement.
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Thank you for reply! I think I will give it a try.
 
datsthat said:
I've never taken anything other than ergonine and protein. Just got 2 bottles of ultimate T. Would EP1C unleashed be good compliment to what I am/will be taking? Is EP1C unleashed too strong for my first try at epicatechin? Thanks
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Too strong? No... Too Effective, Yes... This product has a plethora of health benefits and is considered a natural anabolic. It will become a true staple for many and I personally see it as a prohormone alternative
 
bobsaget2191 said:
I think this is what I'm going with next pay check how much of a strength and mass gain can I see with it Olympus Labs
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It is somewhat dependent on regimen (diet, workout protocol etc) and everyone is different. But several users have seen strength increases, vascularity and quicker recovery. Scroll back to the first page of this thread and checkout some of the beta testers testimonials. There also several logs up and running too.
 
GNO said:
It is somewhat dependent on regimen (diet, workout protocol etc) and everyone is different. But several users have seen strength increases, vascularity and quicker recovery. Scroll back to the first page of this thread and checkout some of the beta testers testimonials. There also several logs up and running too.
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ok cool I appreciate it might be dumb question lol but is it better than animal m stak?
 
bobsaget2191 said:
ok cool I appreciate it might be dumb question lol but is it better than animal m stak?
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I haven't used animal m stack so can't really compare the effects but the profiles are vastly different (apples to oranges). M stack has a kitchen sink blend of ingredients while Unleashed is an -epi based supp
 
GNO said:
I haven't used animal m stack so can't really compare the effects but the profiles are vastly different (apples to oranges). M stack has a kitchen sink blend of ingredients while Unleashed is an -epi based supp
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understood man I appreciate it
 
I used animal M stack years ago. I stacked Animal M stack and Animal Stak.

I personally thought the stack of TD+caps was far superior. Awesome pumps, great set to set recovery, and steady strength increase.

Right now I'm experimenting with eliminate and caps and I am really enjoying it.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
I used animal M stack years ago. I stacked Animal M stack and Animal Stak.

I personally thought the stack of TD+caps was far superior. Awesome pumps, great set to set recovery, and steady strength increase.

Right now I'm experimenting with eliminate and caps and I am really enjoying it.
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yea I used it years ago and loved it but was seeing if was stronger excuse my ignorance but hat does td+caps mean bud
 
bobsaget2191 said:
yea I used it years ago and loved it but was seeing if was stronger excuse my ignorance but hat does td+caps mean bud
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No worries.

TD means transdermal

Caps means our capped version

We have two version of Ep1c Unleashed that go very well stacked.
 
Well if you have any questions feel free to ask. Im all for learning and researching
 
I was thinking bout getting ergonine and ep1c or andro quad don't got a lot of money for a ton of supps having a fam still waiting to see if I get picked for any of the promos lol what do you think about the supps I mentioned any advice or better options ?
 
bobsaget2191 said:
I was thinking bout getting ergonine and ep1c or andro quad don't got a lot of money for a ton of supps having a fam still waiting to see if I get picked for any of the promos lol what do you think about the supps I mentioned any advice or better options ?
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Andro quad is hormonal and requires a PCT. Thats more money. If you are strapped for cash keep it natty.

Ergonine and Ep1c should treat you nicely. I havent used ergonine personally so I have no first hand experience with it.

If you run Andro quad you may wanna look into Arimacare and Super PCT (both we are running promos giving away free bottles) for during and after the cycle.

As far as recommendations, personally....you you are strapped for cash because you are supporting your family supplements are not that important. Good diet, good routine, and rest is more then enough. Try and win some promos, but safe up and provide for the fam.
 
fam defiantly comes first lol iv worked ot the past two weeks so got a little extra dislocated my knee a week ago playing rugby so I can't play right now which is killing me so Iv had more time at the gym but to worried to deadlift or squat also killing me lol I wonder if the lack of rest is what's killing my gains usual schedule is get up at 3 am (constuction lucky me) go straight to the gym get out by 530 go to rugby practice which ends at 8 pm pick my son up get him to bed shower and eat and in be around 1130
 
Lack of sleep will definitely hinder progress. But sometimes a man/father has to sacrifice a bit to be there for his family.

If there is a way to get some more rest, Id try that.

There should be a big 4th of July sale coming up. May wanna keep saving up for that
 
bobsaget2191 said:
alright awesome thanks for the heads up bro even got my son to do a chin up the other day at 18 months old lol
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Those are the best gains a man can make
 
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