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I'm on Phosphatidic acid Ya'll

Anyone use swansons lecithin granules?

Can get 209 serving tub for $28
 
I haven't but I trust anything Swanson. Also the concensus on here is that most lecethin contains relatively the same ammount of PA.
 
Who wants to do an old man with no time to read a bazillion page thread a favor - can someone give me the cliff notes on what all the hype about PA or PC is....and moreover....what the purported effects would be?

Thanks bro's
 
Whacked said:
Who wants to do an old man with no time to read a bazillion page thread a favor - can someone give me the cliff notes on what all the hype about PA or PC is....and moreover....what the purported effects would be?

Thanks bro's
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Phosphatidic Acid activates mTOR (increasing muscle protein synthesis and hypertrophy)
 
I have both fearns lecithin liquid and granules. Do I always have to use the granules or will the liquid work as well, just curious as I am about to run out of my pa
 
Jakethaniel said:
What made you decided to do this?
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I have like 3 bottles of the original PA product that first hit the market left (had them for awhile now, I've bought many many many bottles of it when I first started using it and liked it). Then I also got two bottles of one product and two bottles of another to try out. Thus no reason to use lecithin granules again for the foreseeable future.

I used a tub of Now lecithin, but I used it after I was using the other product (the first to hit the market) so maybe the Now worked just as well or maybe it didn't. IMO the only real way to tell is when you go from one that isn't very effective to one that is effective, you notice the effects. The reverse isn't true because the fall off is not noticeable at all. I also took a break from PA after I finished the tub of Now before I got the new products in to try, so when the muscle fullness came back, I can't definitively say that it was because the lecithin granules were not as effective, due to the break I took.
 
Just ordered two more bottles of King 60 cap bottles. Will stack these with some lecithin granules and my ergonine when it comes in. Excited. Only other thing I am using is strength caps aka laxogenin. I was using the TD but ran out. It was either buy another TD bottle or two bottles of king, so yeah went with king.

8 weeks of king stacked with Laxogenin and ergonine.
 
machinehead said:
Those of you who are adamant about avoiding soy anything could try sunflower lecithin though at a hefty price: Invalid Link Removed Invalid Link Removed A month of 3g PA daily would run about $70 with shipping which is still cheaper from the concentrated products.
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and the study used 750mg
 
SuppJunkie said:
Just ordered two more bottles of King 60 cap bottles. Will stack these with some lecithin granules and my ergonine when it comes in. Excited. Only other thing I am using is strength caps aka laxogenin. I was using the TD but ran out. It was either buy another TD bottle or two bottles of king, so yeah went with king.

8 weeks of king stacked with Laxogenin and ergonine.
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How are you liking Str3ngth? I have been thinking about giving it a try for sometime now.
 
been taking 4 tablespoons daily, all pre-workout on training days, spread out on non-training days. weight is up +6lbs and I feel pretty puffy, strength is up too.
 
Started on soy lecithin granules myself a couple days ago at 4 tbspn's preworkout on training days only . Idk why people are buying supplements that you can get the same benefits with from soy lecithin aswell as the other health benefits . Regardless cheers to the gains fellas!
 
Joedoubledose said:
Idk why people are buying supplements that you can get the same benefits with from soy lecithin aswell as the other health benefits .
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lol, you've only been dosing for a couple of days. Let's see if you are singing the same tune in 8 weeks time.

But seriously, I can understand the people who go back to Pa concentrates due to disliking the taste/texture/etc of the granules.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
lol, you've only been dosing for a couple of days. Let's see if you are singing the same tune in 8 weeks time.

But seriously, I can understand the people who go back to Pa concentrates due to disliking the taste/texture/etc of the granules.
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i dont know how people can dislike them that bad that they would choose that over SL. i like it personally
 
I'm in agreement. I can't imagine the granules being that bad that you wouldn't want to take advantage of the additional component benefits and cost.
 
I have to imagine one of the appealing benefits of using the concentrates is not devoting 200-400 calories per day to the ~4tbsp of granules people are using. That's a decent amount of food!
 
I don't mind the calories, but my stomach can barely tolerate 4 tablespoons of lecithin with 1,5g ArA pre-workout
 
bonbon said:
I don't mind the calories, but my stomach can barely tolerate 4 tablespoons of lecithin with 1,5g ArA pre-workout
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Why do 4 tablespoons then?

Just go with 2. You're getting 1.2 grams of PA and the study done on PA was using 750mg.
 
I added 15g to my protein shake and milk this morning...make it quite thick but that was expected.

The taste was pretty okay...this will be part of my post-workout shake from now on!
 
Shin Sprints said:
I added 15g to my protein shake and milk this morning...make it quite thick but that was expected.

The taste was pretty okay...this will be part of my post-workout shake from now on!
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It taste good in shakes and on top of protein ice cream. It is also good in a glass of almond milk. I used to love the taste of it solo, but not anymore.
 
Shin Sprints said:
I added 15g to my protein shake and milk this morning...make it quite thick but that was expected.

The taste was pretty okay...this will be part of my post-workout shake from now on!
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I figure I would drop this here...

Pes Blonde Select protein + 2 tablespoons of soy lecithins + almond milk = AMAZING

Honestly probably the best protein shake I have ever had.
 
I gotta agree -- this thread convinced me to try using my lecithin in smoothies and proats, and the results in both are fantastic. Makes for a thick and consistent smoothie (there's a reason it's used industrially, I suppose!) and for a gooey, extra-satisfying bowl of oatmeal.

Not noticing too many acute benefits yet after a couple of days, but for ~100 extra calories, well worth the investment to give it a shot!
 
Is anyone taking Soy Lecithin or PA while dieting? It seems like it might be a decent supp to take to help maintain lean mass and keep strength high when in a caloric deficit. I'm only asking as 2tbsp of Fearn is 8g of fat so depending on your fat macros, the benefits may or may not be worth it.
 
jwsnowman said:
Is anyone taking Soy Lecithin or PA while dieting? It seems like it might be a decent supp to take to help maintain lean mass and keep strength high when in a caloric deficit. I'm only asking as 2tbsp of Fearn is 8g of fat so depending on your fat macros, the benefits may or may not be worth it.
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I took PA last year while dieting and didn't notice anything at all, but that was only 750mg.
 
machinehead said:
For some of us, myself included, it starts working when you go double that at least.
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Yeah, it could've been working when I was using SL at 2.4g a day, but I was also using ostarine and follidrone, and not really cutting, so I couldn't specifically address his question. Helluva stack though.
 
I might give it a shot at 2-3 tbsp while cutting just to see where it goes. If I find I can't stay withing my fat macros because of the 8-12g of fat coming from the SL, I'll drop it.
 
jwsnowman said:
Is anyone taking Soy Lecithin or PA while dieting? It seems like it might be a decent supp to take to help maintain lean mass and keep strength high when in a caloric deficit. I'm only asking as 2tbsp of Fearn is 8g of fat so depending on your fat macros, the benefits may or may not be worth it.
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Yes, but I have been only taking it post workout. I fast pre-workout and then I take it immediately post workout for maximal uptake. Then I will take down my shake and food.
 
I've read that it will only benefit pre workout because that's when the acid is most beneficial for the workout itself , I may be wrong but that's what I have read
 
Joedoubledose said:
I've read that it will only benefit pre workout because that's when the acid is most beneficial for the workout itself , I may be wrong but that's what I have read
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It should not be less beneficial because, as to my understanding, the main function through which PA works is through increased protein synthesis through increased mTOR.
In the initial study they had them take half pre and the other half post workout I believe.
 
Jakethaniel said:
It should not be less beneficial because, as to my understanding, the main function through which PA works is through increased protein synthesis through increased mTOR. In the initial study they had them take half pre and the other half post workout I believe.
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I have some SL on hand. would you think it'd be beneficial if I put it in my protein shake I take 3 times a day?
 
jgntyce said:
I have some SL on hand. would you think it'd be beneficial if I put it in my protein shake I take 3 times a day?
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I am not completely sure. If one is in the morning on an empty stomach then I think so and then if one is pre or post workout, definite yes for those.
 
jgntyce said:
I have some SL on hand. would you think it'd be beneficial if I put it in my protein shake I take 3 times a day?
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Like Dr Wilson said, those enzymes which help PA into LPA comes from physical stress such as workout so taking PA pre would be best. But taking granules thru the day, rememer, soy lecithin is more than PA and you could have other benefits due to other phospholipids. But if you are interessed in activating mTOR then pre is the best time
 
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