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Very 1st Ostapure and Anogenin Cycle

I have read a serm is required to run Ostra . Has anyone ran without ? At what dose? And is OTC pct good enough for most runs???
 
hw101 said:
I have read a serm is required to run Ostra . Has anyone ran without ? At what dose? And is OTC pct good enough for most runs???
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Honestly bud you could run osta @20mg for six to eight weeks reasonably safe with a good otc pct and maybe not have any bad sides after your run. But you do what you want if you know your body well enough and know how it reacts to certain compounds then you could run it that way, but not know it's always best to keep a SERM on hand. Right now I feel great definitely no suppression at all and no lethargic feeling either. Of course I am running AR1MACARE PRO, DIM, Fenugreek, and a little more trib than what's in the AR1MACARE. Plus I'm only a week in, so take it for what it is.
 
Hey man, research the interaction between fenugreek and anabolics. My buddy just passed along some info that it inhibits and cancels something out and not great to run on cycle m just a heads up
 
mgkoret said:
Hey man, research the interaction between fenugreek and anabolics. My buddy just passed along some info that it inhibits and cancels something out and not great to run on cycle m just a heads up
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Alright then I'll take it out. I'm getting plenty of t boosting anyways.
 
superman2113 said:
Alright then I'll take it out. I'm getting plenty of t boosting anyways.
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there is no evidence that fenugreek boosts T, he'll there's really no studies in humans that suggests trib boosts T either (although it could help stimulate the LH). I don't get why anyone runs any natty products to help boost T on any cycle. You're just fighting a compound that u want to take over your body and be effective. As for lax I've used it transdermally at high doses and sadly never saw any benefits.

Just never a fan of running anything natty in the ways of test boosting on cycle of any exogenous hormone. It's just a waist of money. I'll run natty supplements that might have other benefits but deff not for boosting T. Save for pct and get rid of fenugreek, it's only noted benefit through all the studies I could find were slight changes in body composition. Nothing noteworthy apparently.
 
Kickstart7 said:
there is no evidence that fenugreek boosts T, he'll there's really no studies in humans that suggests trib boosts T either (although it could help stimulate the LH). I don't get why anyone runs any natty products to help boost T on any cycle. You're just fighting a compound that u want to take over your body and be effective. As for lax I've used it transdermally at high doses and sadly never saw any benefits.

Just never a fan of running anything natty in the ways of test boosting on cycle of any exogenous hormone. It's just a waist of money. I'll run natty supplements that might have other benefits but deff not for boosting T. Save for pct and get rid of fenugreek, it's only noted benefit through all the studies I could find were slight changes in body composition. Nothing noteworthy apparently.
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Alright just like I said in my other post I am gonna leave out the fenugreek.
 
Sorry for repeating a question . Just want to see how everyone is running it befor I do . I've only ran 1 Andro from finaflex so I haven't ran any harsh cycles . Just learning the ropes
 
Note: Day 8
Day 8 - Back Attack

Warm up - pull ups - 1x10w 2x8c 3x8w 4x6c

Low cable lat pulls - 40x20 55x15 70x12 85x12 100x10

Chainsaw pulls - 75x12 85x10 100x8 (past 6 left side not as strong took break)

HS row machine - 2ppsx20 3ppsx15 4ppsx7 wide grip - 2ppsx15 2pps plus 25x7

SM upright rows - 50x12 70x12 90x10 110x7

HS Lat pull down - 1ppsx30 2ppsx15 2pps+35x8 x8

Straight arm pull down - 55x12 62.5x12 70x8 x10 x12
 
Note: Day 9
Day 9 - Arms

Alt curls - 25x12 30x12 35x12 40x12 45x6*

Tri kickbacks - 20x12 25x12 30x12 35x12 40x8

Ez curlbar - 60x12c 70x12w 80x9c 80x9w

Seated overhead press - 75x12 85x12 95x6 65x12 75x12

Incline db curls - 25x12 30x11 35x7 30x6 20x10

Tri pressdown - 62.5x12 70x12 77.5x10 85x5 55x12

Single tri press - 20x12 25x8 30x6

Reverse curls - single - 20x12*

Reverse ez barbell - 40x20 60x12 70x12 80x12 90x10

Sit ups - 35, 25, 15

Side bends - 45x12

One arm push ups - right 20 left 15

Ok guys and gals this workout was intense. I just felt like I could have worked out forever. Probably won't be able to even move tomorrow but ohh well lol. Vascularity was greater than normal, but also lasted way longer than normal. This could be accredited to the 2 Yok3d pills I took on top of my pre workout stack. Will post some pics of me from day 0.
 
Dma378 said:
Solid arm session. Bet the pump was real nice!!
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Oh yeah it was man and tomorrow is gonna be wild. I am gonna do chest. I don't know if you guys have heard about the 100 rep challenge, but I intend on doing that tomorrow for a extremely insane pump. Last time I did it on flat db bench press I did 65lbs dba and the first set I did 29 reps. I had a silly pump lol. After that I got about 15-12 and then about 88 reps I switched to 75s for the last 12 reps. Probably the hardest and most intense exercise I have ever done.
 
Note: Day 10
Day 10 - Chest

Warm up 45x12

100 rep flat db bench press w/ 80s - 19, 5, 8, 6, 7, 9, 6.... Until 100 reps

Incline barbell bench press - 95x12 x10 115x10 x8

HS decline press - 1x15 2x12 2+25x10

Fly machine - 90x15 110x12 130x12

Incline press machine - 70x12 90x12 110x10

Ok guys and gals this chest day was painful. The pump from the hundred rep challenge hurt so bad and had me so pre exhausted that my strength was way down on everything else. I focused more on pushing blood into the muscle rather than strength, so all exercises were done with as much muscle contraction as possible.

Day 11 - Rest day

And a great one at that lol much needed
 
Note: Day 12
Day 12 - Shoulders

Shoulder db press - 35x12 50x12 60x12 65x9 70x4

Side lateral raise - 20x12 25x12 30x10 35x8
Superset w/
Front lateral raise - 20x12 25x12 30x10 35x8

HS shrug - 1x25 x25 2x20 x20 3x15 x15

Rear felt fly machine - 90x15 110x12 130x9 140x5

Standing overhead bb press - 45x12 85x12 95x10 105x8

Rear felt db flyes - 25x15 30x15 35x12*

Straight bar cable fr - 20x12 32.5x12

Felt great just decided to switch up legs for shoulders. I'm ready to hit legs either today or tomorrow.
 
hw101 said:
Sorry for repeating a question . Just want to see how everyone is running it befor I do . I've only ran 1 Andro from finaflex so I haven't ran any harsh cycles . Just learning the ropes
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I'm thinking of running ostapure as well. I was told its a higher grade sup compared to the stuff available in the market.
Plan is 6 weeks @20mg a day. Not sure what to do with shutdown and potential gyno. Looking for a recomp run!
 
It's a great product, so far I love it. It had Mr feeling great in the gym and stronger than before. I'm currently running AR1MACARE as my on cycle support, but have a SERM on hand just incase something pops up which I recommend to anyone honestly wanting to run anything like this product or ph or aas. Also have Super PCT as well to help me after my cycle and Wil have a SERM to go along with it, but at a very very mild dosage as I have not felt or been effected by any estrogenic adverse affects YET. So that might change just saying I have not had any as of now. Another thing I'd suggest is to run it a little longer either 8 to 12 weeks. As it just started kicking in and I'm in my third week.
 
superman2113 said:
Yeah your said 3.34 hours but how would that be so? Doesn't seem it would be in your system long enough to do anything
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**** dbol got a half life of about 6hours think about vico din or oxycontin it starts working in like 30 min.. a shorter half life just means you.have to dose more often to keep stable.levels
 
I'm still going strong man about 7 weeks in right now feeling great. Obvious size gains along with a leaner look at the end of my cycle I'll post pics of before and after. Vascularity is awesome right now. Still not as lean as I'd love to be but I might do a cycle of something else to cut after my pct
 
superman2113 said:
I'm still going strong man about 7 weeks in right now feeling great. Obvious size gains along with a leaner look at the end of my cycle I'll post pics of before and after. Vascularity is awesome right now. Still not as lean as I'd love to be but I might do a cycle of something else to cut after my pct
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Sounds good. Looking forward to seeing your progress and stats.
 
what if I told you oral SARMS dont work. havnt seen any decent evidence through studies or any good logs. gains that people see when taking oral sarms look like placebo.
 
james117 said:
what if I told you oral SARMS dont work. havnt seen any decent evidence through studies or any good logs. gains that people see when taking oral sarms look like placebo.
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I would disagree as well. Every Osta cycle i've ran, i've had great success with
 
james117 said:
what if I told you oral SARMS dont work. havnt seen any decent evidence through studies or any good logs. gains that people see when taking oral sarms look like placebo.
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So in turn they're not gains by your logic. Because if they saw gains then.....
 
Some of loggers said themselves it was probs placebo. And the logs that had diets posted were all in calorie surplus. So 1-2pounds of weight gain over 4 weeks could of been from diet alone. Just isn't enough evidence for me to use it. Injectable sarms is a different story, however risks increases.
 
james117 said:
Some of loggers said themselves it was probs placebo. And the logs that had diets posted were all in calorie surplus. So 1-2pounds of weight gain over 4 weeks could of been from diet alone. Just isn't enough evidence for me to use it. Injectable sarms is a different story, however risks increases.
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Have you try it osta? Is hormonal suppression from osta placebo too ?
 
I can gain 1-2 pounds a week in a surplus. Your argument holds no water. There's plenty of logs and data to show that SARMs are effective. There is no bioavailability issue that would render them useless as you are trying to make it sound.
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Educate yourself here.
 
Also a log means nothing to me. Failed or successful logs are relative to the person running them. Not the compound they're taking.
 
Stop the broscience..... its a good mild compound. Try it. At 20-25mg its anavar like. At 25-35 its great. At 200 its test tren dbol all in 1.
 
I just ran a sarm cycle in cal deficiency and gained 3lbs. Your argument has more holes than a block of swiss
 
Meant kilos mate. Australian. So 4 and bit pounds I guess? Which is nothing if you can gain 1-2 a week in a surplus. Anyways gym buddy tried a sarm for 5 weeks and nothing apart from gradual wieght gain which was diet. No difference in his tendinitis either since the product claimed to to help with injuries and inflammation. Over here doctors give injectable sarms for muscle atrophy and injury related things. If orals were effective why not prescribe those instead of injections? The link you sent was educational but I'm still not convinced. Anyway thats just what I think. If you think they work that's fine. If you make gains that's even better
 
I've ran multiple cycles of Osta, for bulking and cutting, with different dosages and can absolutely tell you the success that I had was not all cycle. I, as well as others on this site, put in a lot of time/dedication/consistency in what we do. We just don't take a product and hope that it does something. We make sure that our diet/training/recovery is on point. We keep logs from every cycle to make sure that it's not just the diet/training/PED that's working.
 
james117 said:
Meant kilos mate. Australian. So 4 and bit pounds I guess? Which is nothing if you can gain 1-2 a week in a surplus. Anyways gym buddy tried a sarm for 5 weeks and nothing apart from gradual wieght gain which was diet. No difference in his tendinitis either since the product claimed to to help with injuries and inflammation. Over here doctors give injectable sarms for muscle atrophy and injury related things. If orals were effective why not prescribe those instead of injections? The link you sent was educational but I'm still not convinced. Anyway thats just what I think. If you think they work that's fine. If you make gains that's even better
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I don't know here in the states we get testosterone replacement therapy in patches gels and injections women can get injections for birth control or take pills if oral birth control is effective why not just prescribe those instead of injections.
 
mixedup said:
I don't know here in the states we get testosterone replacement therapy in patches gels and injections women can get injections for birth control or take pills if oral birth control is effective why not just prescribe those instead of injections.

Cause laws on drugs and supplements here are messed up. Besides just found out that sarms are now illegal here unless prescribed.
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mgkoret said:
I just ran a sarm cycle in cal deficiency and gained 3lbs. Your argument has more holes than a block of swiss[

Were you on anything else apart from Swiss cheese while in negative calories. Seriously though. Didn't think sarms had nutrient partitioning abilities.
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Ok so I'm a little confused in your country physicians prescribe them for muscle wasting.your goverment has made them illegal for ordinary citizens so they must believe they have legitimate medical uses but you still believe they don't work?
 
james117 said:
mgkoret said:
I just ran a sarm cycle in cal deficiency and gained 3lbs. Your argument has more holes than a block of swiss[

Were you on anything else apart from Swiss cheese while in negative calories. Seriously though. Didn't think sarms had nutrient partitioning abilities.
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High protein / carb cycling diet and increased cardio. I used the osta more to preserve muscle mass while running clenbuterol.
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mixedup said:
Ok so I'm a little confused in your country physicians prescribe them for muscle wasting.your goverment has made them illegal for ordinary citizens so they must believe they have legitimate medical uses but you still believe they don't work?
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Injectble sarms work fine but need a prescription. It's the oral ones I feel don't work. Orals are banned here.
 
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