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kbayne said:
Peptopro is legit if you want to spend the cash for it.

PES Select is great as well being a MPI/WPC blend, obviously.
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I would say the biggest advantage to the peptopro is you can add it to your intraworkout drink. This is where I've seen it really work well. No stress on your stomach while training. I tried that with whey and it didn't go so well lol
 
USPlabsRep said:
are you saying that 20gr whey=20g Soy=20 g Rice are all created equal? How about Cricket protein and Milk protein, the same?
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This is only EAA's so while you do get equal amounts of protein, the amount of leucine in inferior sources of protein will not be sufficient to stimulate MPS and not to mention digestability
 
EMPIREMIND said:
I would say the biggest advantage to the peptopro is you can add it to your intraworkout drink. This is where I've seen it really work well. No stress on your stomach while training. I tried that with whey and it didn't go so well lol
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Yup. Alternatively, Target shopper cheapskate alternative to this would be to dose ~12-15 grams of EAAs for pre/intra use.
 
I get 5lbs of ON Whey Gold Standard, 4lbs of ON Casein, and 2lbs of ON Soy. Mix them all together and have a decent blend of 11lbs for about $110

I used to get TrueProtein 'Team Skip', but Egg White prices are insane and made that one un-affordable.
 
I've been using Cytosport Whey - Chocolate. Get a 6lb bag for $50 at Costco. Tastes fine. Probably going to hear from everyone here that its no-good now huh?
 
Dymatize Nutrition ISO100. It's a hydrolyzed 100% Whey Protein Isolate. Lactose free. Gluten free. 25g of protein. Mixes easier than any other protein I've used in the past. They're flavors are great IMO. My favorite is between Birthday Cake, Cinnamon Bun, and Fudge Brownie! I think you can get 71+ servings for around $82 (about $1.15 per serving) Not too bad for the quality you get! :)
 
kristina_nic1 said:
Dymatize Nutrition ISO100. It's a hydrolyzed 100% Whey Protein Isolate. Lactose free. Gluten free. 25g of protein. Mixes easier than any other protein I've used in the past. They're flavors are great IMO. My favorite is between Birthday Cake, Cinnamon Bun, and Fudge Brownie! I think you can get 71+ servings for around $82 (about $1.15 per serving) Not too bad for the quality you get! :)
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I'm coming to your house, those are about my three favorite flavors also !
 
koi1214 said:
I tried both PB and Choc.They really nailed it with the flavoring.I will have Strawberry Creme in 2 weeks. PB taste is as good as Protizyme PB Cookie Choc has a great rich flavor .
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Thanks :)

Been a while since I had a good PB I will pick one up
 
The Solution said:
XF 2.0 CPB, Blue Star PB Cup, Allmax Isoflex Choc PB are all good PB's have you had those?
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Allmax I had a bad experience with

Bluestar I do want to try after the reviews I saw here but it is crazy $$ for me here

XF I will try for sure.

When I want PB I usually just add PB lol but I could use a powder for some recipes
 
Rocket3015 said:
I always thought that PES was a little expensive also, until I sign up on the website for the insider deals, they can save you a lot of money !
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When you consider how much protein you get per tub and not just filler, Select is almost always the best deal.
 
USPlabsRep said:
are you saying that 20gr whey=20g Soy=20 g Rice are all created equal? How about Cricket protein and Milk protein, the same?
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For body composition purposes, yes. Hydrolyzed is a gimmick. Soy is fine. Rice is fine. Peptopro is a gimmick. Ideally we take in difference sources of protein and don't rely on powders, so your point here is irrelevant. Given a proper diet which is abundant in whole proteins, the type of powder you use to supplement your intake is largely irrelevant.
 
Rhadam said:
For body composition purposes, yes. Hydrolyzed is a gimmick. Soy is fine. Rice is fine. Peptopro is a gimmick. Ideally we take in difference sources of protein and don't rely on powders, so your point here is irrelevant. Given a proper diet which is abundant in whole proteins, the type of powder you use to supplement your intake is largely irrelevant.
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Very much this.
 
USPlabsRep said:
are you saying that 20gr whey=20g Soy=20 g Rice are all created equal? How about Cricket protein and Milk protein, the same?
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I must be misreading, are you saying that rhadam was claiming that cricket protein is the same as whey? Or are you playing strawman? ;) :D

It seems as though he was referring to differences between protein powders currently on the market of which the majority are whey based.

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Rhadam said:
For body composition purposes, yes. Hydrolyzed is a gimmick. Soy is fine. Rice is fine. Peptopro is a gimmick. Ideally we take in difference sources of protein and don't rely on powders, so your point here is irrelevant. Given a proper diet which is abundant in whole proteins, the type of powder you use to supplement your intake is largely irrelevant.
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Specialized proteins like high quality hydrolyzed and Peptopro, they have their place, really shouldn't use them as just a typical protein source as that just makes them too costly and you're better off eating chicken and what not along with standard protein powders.
 
Proper diet is not the same as proper digestion and assimilation as some of you guys imply. Not everyone can digest whole proteins well and therefore resorts to and benefits hugely from pre-digested ones. Same way not everyone can methylate sufficient folic acid and resorts to taking methyl folate which is the active form. Such considerations are largely relevant for some of us hence the variations in definition of "best."
 
PES select (obviously), USP oxyelite (if you can get your hands on it), COR whey, IFN Protean, and if your ballin on a budget Dymatize Elite XT fudge brownie is a good one (sometimes found on nutra for less than 25$ for a 4lb-er ~50serv)
 
PES Select Snickerdoodle. I actually got my son to start drinking milk by adding a small amount to his drink.
 
machinehead said:
Proper diet is not the same as proper digestion and assimilation as some of you guys imply. Not everyone can digest whole proteins well and therefore resorts to and benefits hugely from pre-digested ones. Same way not everyone can methylate sufficient folic acid and resorts to taking methyl folate which is the active form. Such considerations are largely relevant for some of us hence the variations in definition of "best."
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If you have issues with enzymes that break down protein then perhaps, but just how much of a prevelance do you think this is? Bearing in mind if you couldnt digest whole proteins then youd likely be in hospital.

Its also not the same as methylation of folic acid lol
 
Not the same, no, lol, but I have a genetic mutation of MTHFR so I speak from experience.

However, it takes a few grams of betaine HCL to feel a little burn with 8oz of meat down the hatch so it is likely that I don't make any stomach acid at all. I do take NOW SuperEnzymes in addition to the above. Now solid protein food at least gets worked over some before travelling further down but I doubt liquid protein mess gets the same treatment, especially because I don't take HCL with those to lessen the burn.

If you read up on Poliquin's piece on HCL he claims that 1 or 2 out 250 guys he sees pass the HCL test (with one of them being a writer, lower stress I would imagine). I prefer not to have opinions when I have some data to work with so here is that.

Now back to the subject of body composition, I can't get really lean without doing intervals. Back then I was buying whey isolate and complete milk dairy isolate in bulk to drink plain and I found it did not make much difference where is mattered most: recovery, strength and lastly mass. I even went up to 3g per lb for a while and that resulted in unexpected strength gains (training DC) and weight and fat loss. Not a good idea long term but even short term all that poorly digested protein inflames the gut and my body can't seem to keep up with fixing the damage from exercise and from nutritional intake. Maybe I am a descendant of a tribe of emaciated vegans, lol. Anyway, I would lose strength and muscle from the intervals and it wasn't pretty.

Fast forward to today, I can do intervals 3 times a week and train legs 3 times in 2 weeks and add 10lbs for 10 on squats every 6-week training rotation. And that's mainly from taking a serving or two of a naturally bitter predigested mess after each training and interval session. Yes, I have read the study where the peptides from the hydro whey were mainly taken up by the splanchnic bed and not muscle in stark contrast with whey isolate which favored muscle over organ uptake. But as Mark Wahlberg said in The Gambler "Physiology doesn't lie" and the hydro stuff works for me much better than the good plain powder (and better than single aminos) in spite of what the study says and in spite of what everyone, including me, thinks should work better.

Regards
 
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machinehead said:
Not the same, no, lol, but I have a genetic mutation of MTHFR so I speak from experience.

However, it takes a few grams of betaine HCL to feel a little burn with 8oz of meat down the hatch so it is likely that I don't make any stomach acid at all. I do take NOW SuperEnzymes in addition to the above. Now solid protein food at least gets worked over some before travelling further down but I doubt liquid protein mess gets the same treatment, especially because I don't take HCL with those to lessen the burn.

If you read up on Poliquin's piece on HCL he claims that 1 or 2 out 250 guys he sees pass the HCL test (with one of them being a writer, lower stress I would imagine). I prefer not to have opinions when I have some data to work with so here is that.

Now back to the subject of body composition, I can't get really lean without doing intervals. Back then I was buying whey isolate and complete milk dairy isolate in bulk to drink plain and I found it did not make much difference where is mattered most: recovery, strength and lastly mass. I even went up to 3g per lb for a while and that resulted in unexpected strength gains (training DC) and weight and fat loss. Not a good idea long term but even short term all that poorly digested protein inflames the gut and my body can't seem to keep up with fixing the damage from exercise and from nutritional intake. Maybe I am a descendant of a tribe of emaciated vegans, lol. Anyway, I would lose strength and muscle from the intervals and it wasn't pretty.

Fast forward to today, I can do intervals 3 times a week and train legs 3 times in 2 weeks and add 10lbs for 10 on squats every 6-week training rotation. And that's mainly from taking a serving or two of a naturally bitter predigested mess after each training and interval session. Yes, I have read the study where the peptides from the hydro whey were mainly taken up by the splanchnic bed and not muscle in stark contrast with whey isolate which favored muscle over organ uptake. But as Mark Wahlberg said in The Gambler "Physiology doesn't lie" and the hydro stuff works for me much better than the good plain powder (and better than single aminos) in spite of what the study says and in spite of what everyone, including me, thinks should work better.

Regards
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Poliquin on HCL is all bull. In fact his advice is the single worst thing to happen in the supplement industry. He spouts this crap to sell you HCL.

If you did not produce stomach acid AT ALL, you'd be in deep, deep medical trouble and show EXTREME signs of malnutrition and dysfunction due to impaired protein digestion and absorption. He is also false on many matters regarding his low stomach acidity comments (carbohydrate and fat digestion).


Edit: Ok, I can post from a computer at this stage so I can stop using my bashing words to form my argument lol.

So here's poliquins first problem. He does not disclose (at least I cannot find) when he performed the HCL tests. Be mindful that stomach HCL levels drop when food is not present (smelt, tasted etc.) but rises in the presence of affecting the senses. So its very possible that testing at the wrong times will produce false readings.

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2588975/pdf/yjbm00031-0083.pdf]
[http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.ph.41.030179.000343]
[http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/stomach/parietal.html]

Now, a normal functioning person SHOULD NOT be able to "feel the burn" of HCL "down the hatch" and such a burn does not indicate whether or not you have an adequate response to food intake. HCL is a potent acid and will burn. If you are supplementing with HCL, I sure hope you have sought a Doctors advice on this matter and did not just leap into it thinking "Poliquin must be right". ALWAYS question claims made on the internet.

Cliffs: Poliquin should not be making clinical recommendations to sell products on things he has zero clue about.
 
Ok, from this point onwards we can take it to pm if you want. I agree about the carb and fat topic. You know you can make stomach acid but have H Pylori that makes baking soda that neutralizes the acid in order to protect itself.
 
machinehead said:
Ok, from this point onwards we can take it to pm if you want. I agree about the carb and fat topic. You know you can make stomach acid but have H Pylori that makes baking soda that neutralizes the acid in order to protect itself.
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I'm a little confused by what you are getting at here.

Edit: Are you saying that people should supplement with HCL as they might have H. Pylori? This is something you need to see a Doctor about before self medicating IMO. But to each their own

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T-Bone said:
I don't think they are changing the formula, but they are changing the name I believe. USPlabsRep
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I kind of hope not, I am with you in being a fan. You can tell just by how it mixes that it is naturally thicker without a lot of gumming agents, fruit flavours that are actually good, and one of the best vanillas around.
 
Jiigzz said:
I'm a little confused by what you are getting at here.

Edit: Are you saying that people should supplement with HCL as they might have H. Pylori? This is something you need to see a Doctor about before self medicating IMO. But to each their own

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No, I have removed the S-word (should, supposed to, etc) from my vocabulary for being too inflexible and judgmental :) I am not self-medicating and do not promote it.

That's a good paper, thank you. It very well states that it followed subjects with low natural and subjects with high natural acid secretion (in addition to those with normal secretion). I am one of those with low secretion and that is unlikely to change for the better so my doctor has outlined a regimen for me.

I think we can agree that there are those of us who naturally don't quite extract full benefit from whole protein foods and may consider working around that to see if we can do better. You are right that if I weren't getting anything out of those foods I'd be likely be hospitalized but it is not bad thankfully.
 
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