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Now that prohoromones are gone

Im running Ep1c right now and have put a few friends on it as well and all of us are having solid results. Im dropping fat and maintaining my body weight and looking much leaner. Granted, Im stacking with TTA 500. Ive ran tta solo before and can tell a much bigger difference from just that without the Ep1c. Increased pumps are awesome. However, from what I've read about the pumps from hormones and the gains, I haven't found anything natty that can compare. The only thing left on my main list of things to try is ARA, which I will most likely do at the end of this coming summer when I begin bulking again.

Subbed to see if something compares with no shutdown.
 
Dermacrine question. It seems to need an AI to be used with it. Formestane was a popular choice, but now it's banned. So what do you opine is suitable for this purpose now?
 
3RT said:
Dermacrine question. It seems to need an AI to be used with it. Formestane was a popular choice, but now it's banned. So what do you opine is suitable for this purpose now?
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Dermacrine has a built in AI that is plenty enough to control any elevated estrogen caused by it. Which is minimal anyway.
 
Dma378 said:
Dermacrine has a built in AI that is plenty enough to control any elevated estrogen caused by it. Which is minimal anyway.
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Thought so too at first, but then saw a lot (to my impression) posts about external AI. Good to know I was right initially admiring the elegancy of the formulation..
 
De__eB said:
I'm really kind of surprised that so many companies are willing to brazenly sell SARMs as supplements.

The potential legal ramifications are kind of harsh.

Ostarine is:

-Patented by a hundred billion dollar company
-Still under current Investigational New Drug status
-Can't even remotely be claimed to be natural in any way,(doesn't qualify as a dietary ingredient)
-Being sold and recommended at ~10x the safety studied dose
-Already on the ****list of every doping organization in the world

I mean, people are gonna do what they want, but it just seems horrendously risky, and I can't comprehend what liability insurer would cover such a product.
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There is a ton of recklessness in the industry by companies that truly are shady, and they are making the industry look bad for those who do it right. Most of these companies think you are allowed to sell anything that isn't a drug. What is unfortunate is when companies who are everything but shady get labeled as such, when blatantly shady companies are praised
 
nattydisaster said:
There is a ton of recklessness in the industry by companies that truly are shady, and they are making the industry look bad for those who do it right. Most of these companies think you are allowed to sell anything that isn't a drug. What is unfortunate is when companies who are everything but shady get labeled as such, when blatantly shady companies are praised
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I mean, I don't really see it as a shady thing by definition. Sure a lot of shady players get involved in the grey areas, but if someone wants Ostarine they should be able to buy it and be responsible for whatever risks they incur.

But marketing it as a supplement just seems very risky to me...keep that **** off on some discrete "research" site somewhere.

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Regarding attention that gets paid to companies

Threads that happen:

"WTF PES, 36 scoops = 18 servings? Ripoff" - 50 Pages

Threads that don't happen:

"WTF <company>, selling investigational drugs as supplements at 10x their safety study dose? Illegal much?"

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But hey, I'm just a hater who talks **** about products without always trying them first, so what do I know ;)
 
De__eB said:
I mean, I don't really see it as a shady thing by definition. Sure a lot of shady players get involved in the grey areas, but if someone wants Ostarine they should be able to buy it and be responsible for whatever risks they incur.

But marketing it as a supplement just seems very risky to me...keep that **** off on some discrete "research" site somewhere.

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Regarding attention that gets paid to companies

Threads that happen:

"WTF PES, 36 scoops = 18 servings? Ripoff" - 50 Pages

Threads that don't happen:

"WTF <company>, selling investigational drugs as supplements at 10x their safety study dose? Illegal much?"

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But hey, I'm just a hater who talks **** about products without always trying them first, so what do I know ;)
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Yup...

That is what I was referring to as well, the fact they are sold as supplements. What's strange is that the SARMs were sold as research chemicals for a few years, and then one company said F it...we are selling it as a supplement. And then monkey see monkey do I guess
 
nattydisaster said:
Yup...

That is what I was referring to as well, the fact they are sold as supplements. What's strange is that the SARMs were sold as research chemicals for a few years, and then one company said F it...we are selling it as a supplement. And then monkey see monkey do I guess
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It will end soon I'm sure....the feds catch on eventually. Amp citrate hit the news fairly fast
 
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