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First Time PH Cycle after 9 Years of Hardwork Naturally

What I will say, Just coming off of a 6 week halo cycle. My gains settled down the six week at 110mg. Instead of buying another bottle of halo just to extend the cycle I WOULD (so IMO)

- Finish at 6 weeks
- Start PCT
- kill PCT ( eat sleep gains)
- Use that money to Buy another compoun
- run that compound right after PCT finished

() thats just me though :)

From coming off of halo just recently I honestly feel like my gains would have leveled after 6 and a half week.
 
DAY 13: BP: 125/79 BPM 88 <-- I have been monitoring my BP Daily, before and after my routines, and so far has stayed in the healthy ranges j....
CHEST DAY.....

Warm up set- Incline Dumbbell Presses: 45lb 1x20
Working Sets: 3x12-14 (50lb/55lb/60lb)
Flat DB Presses: 3x10-12 (65/55/50)
Flat DB Flyes: 3x12 (35lb/30lb/25lb)

Seated Machine Press: 3x12(failure) 135/115/90
Standing Cable Flyes(For Upper Chest) 15(3) 12(2) 10(1)

BodyWeight Dips/Pushup's To Failure Wide 2x12. In Close 2x10/6asssss

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I got in there kinda late today, about 5pm, by that time I basically have no motivation, Not today though, and not anytime soon, got in there a little sluggish and knocked out my warm up and I was ready to roll, the heavier I got and more time I was in there the higher my peak was getting, once again like yesterday my pump was just ridiculously huge, I actually measured my arms when I got home and they were nearly 3/4 an inch bigger then before I went in!! measured my chest and it was almost half inch bigger it seemed.. my aggression seems to be increasing a little more by the day, I started noticing that a couple days ago but today it was at a new level,

............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................OH and I can feel a LITTLE tightness in my back from yesterday but nothing serious so im thinking the recovering aspect of this is kickin in..
SO for the most part I am very satisfied, I appreciate all the feedback and advice from everyone as always and hope everyone elses cycles and situations are working out.
 
lmao Dude i like how youre up when i am. I work Graveyard shifts so I my sleep happens between 2pm to 9 pm then gym then work.
 
nbshazeezee said:
What I will say, Just coming off of a 6 week halo cycle. My gains settled down the six week at 110mg. Instead of buying another bottle of halo just to extend the cycle I WOULD (so IMO)

- Finish at 6 weeks
- Start PCT
- kill PCT ( eat sleep gains)
- Use that money to Buy another compoun
- run that compound right after PCT finished

() thats just me though :)

From coming off of halo just recently I honestly feel like my gains would have leveled after 6 and a half week.
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Id spend a month or two after pct just chillin. let your body function normally for a minute. I think the general rule is time on+pct=time off
 
Good Morning everyone!! no sleep so far other then dosing off for 20 minutes... Great New's! First of all Today the Official Day 15, and 2 Weeks exactly since I started this cycle and I stepped on the scale and was amazed at what I seen.. 181.0 lbs! For those who don't know I started off at 171.0lbs exactly two weeks ago on Friday, that's right 10lbs already and I can honestly say just MAYBE 1-2lbs water weight, I've been feeling extremely cut & dry as well as looking it the last couple days for sure.. so I'm very excited and happy to give the news and continue on my cycle journey to greatness, hoping to reach PR's, more weight, strength and other goals that I've never reached before.. Unfortunately I missed leg day yesterday (OH NO, NOT ONE OF THOSE GUYS!!) haha, but I will be making up for it today, AND throwing in a good shoulder workout after that being this is typically my shoulder day, but legs MUST be done first, so I will be posting about that and how my day goes, hopefully I have more good news to confess later, I wish you all a great day!!
 
Great news on the weight gain, looking like a good cycle!
 
KilaCali said:
Yess! Thank you, everyone says the real gains come in week 3 or four so hopefully im in for some real big gains!
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yeah that's crazy. The best is yet to come. The gains so far might just be from perfect nutrition and training. Since you know your on cycle your eating right and training hard and probably half the weight gain thus far is just due to that. The other half, chemically induced by... HALO!
 
HardEarned said:
yeah that's crazy. The best is yet to come. The gains so far might just be from perfect nutrition and training. Since you know your on cycle your eating right and training hard and probably half the weight gain thus far is just due to that. The other half, chemically induced by... HALO!
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YESSS for sure. Thank you HALO! hah, I know for sure the halo has kicked in already, I am not getting half as sore from working out not and when I did get sore it was this crazy deep soreness but it went away fast, and I can just feel this stuff all dy now pumping through my veins like an all day pump... ;) , OH YEA, SO I got my 2nd bottle of halo yesterday its Halobolin from Myopharma, 50mg x 60ct and I noticed right away they don't hardly have a smell like the LGU Halo-25 that im just running out of had... Any idea's why? I'm hoping that doesn't mean this stuff is more buffered, but the caps are the same size as the 25mg ones.. I wont really find out until I start the doshing though..... once again thank you guys for everything!
 
KilaCali said:
YESSS for sure. Thank you HALO! hah, I know for sure the halo has kicked in already, I am not getting half as sore from working out not and when I did get sore it was this crazy deep soreness but it went away fast, and I can just feel this stuff all dy now pumping through my veins like an all day pump... ;) , OH YEA, SO I got my 2nd bottle of halo yesterday its Halobolin from Myopharma, 50mg x 60ct and I noticed right away they don't hardly have a smell like the LGU Halo-25 that im just running out of had... Any idea's why? I'm hoping that doesn't mean this stuff is more buffered, but the caps are the same size as the 25mg ones.. I wont really find out until I start the doshing though..... once again thank you guys for everything!
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wish I knew these companys and had an answer for you. In all likelihood its nothing. Even if the product is slightly under dosed, at 100mg you probably wont notice the missing 20mg or whatever. But most likely your all good. Look up reviews on the product and if people think highly of the company. Some companys are shady and try to make huge profit margins here and there by selling bunk stuff, but I doubt you ran into that. Most just want to be reputable. I wouldn't worry about it. Its not a terrible problem the way running into bunk juice can be. These are legit supplements and legit supplement companys. They have less to gain by selling bunk stuff.
 
HardEarned said:
wish I knew these companys and had an answer for you. In all likelihood its nothing. Even if the product is slightly under dosed, at 100mg you probably wont notice the missing 20mg or whatever. But most likely your all good. Look up reviews on the product and if people think highly of the company. Some companys are shady and try to make huge profit margins here and there by selling bunk stuff, but I doubt you ran into that. Most just want to be reputable. I wouldn't worry about it. Its not a terrible problem the way running into bunk juice can be. These are legit supplements and legit supplement companys. They have less to gain by selling bunk stuff.
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Appreciate the feedback bro, I totally agree, I did a lot of research on Myopharma and the Halobolin and seen nothing but great reviews from several different sites, and I know that some companys will make their wn reviews wherever they can and if they are involved with certain sites they will erase the negative comments lol but yea its just crazy that the halo 25 I got had a REALLY strong chemical type smell, and this one doesn't have a smell at all, maybe its their formula or something who knows, cant wait to start taking it those, 2 less caps I have to deal with 1 50mg twice a day instead of 2 25mg twice a day!
 
in 2009 my friend had Hdrol and I smelled it and don't remember a chemical smell. Same with the superdrol. They just smelled like nothing.

Maybe the way the first company put the stuff into the capsules the chemical got on the outside of the capsules and your smelling that. Where the second companys capsules are more air tight and the outside of them are clean of chemicals. Who knows. Its probably nothing though.
 
Why not run a test only cycle for 12-14 weeks. then next time add an oral. or at the very least do the oral woth the test, dont do test free cycle IMO..
 
Blergs said:
Why not run a test only cycle for 12-14 weeks. then next time add an oral. or at the very least do the oral woth the test, dont do test free cycle IMO..
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You talking about running a REAL cycle pinning the test and then running the oral afterwards or both together?? I know a few people doing that, I actually know a guy running the real test and taking 3 oral ph's with it.. pretty crazy, the more I do this the more interesting and fun its getting though lol.
 
HardEarned said:
in 2009 my friend had Hdrol and I smelled it and don't remember a chemical smell. Same with the superdrol. They just smelled like nothing.

Maybe the way the first company put the stuff into the capsules the chemical got on the outside of the capsules and your smelling that. Where the second companys capsules are more air tight and the outside of them are clean of chemicals. Who knows. Its probably nothing though.
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yea that sounds about right for sure, im guessing its nothing and hope if anything I will get more out of these 50mg caps then the 25's I was taking.;.. both companys are highly reputable so its all good regardless, as long as I stay on the right track im looking at possibly gaining 8-10lbs a week im hoping, I think the biggest hurdle will be if I make it to 190 ive never been heavier then 192 so muscle memory will stop there and ill have to work extra hard and hope the halo pushes me past that as well, regardless im looking forward to whatever is ahead of me!
 
8-10lbs a week is a long shot. I thought an Hdrol cycle totaled about a 10lb. gain.

Even Dbol will barely gain you 20lbs in a month. And that's the craziest bulking oral steroid there is with crazy sides!
 
HardEarned said:
8-10lbs a week is a long shot. I thought an Hdrol cycle totaled about a 10lb. gain.

Even Dbol will barely gain you 20lbs in a month. And that's the craziest bulking oral steroid there is with crazy sides!
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I feel ya out of experience usually that's the end results, but I still have muscle memory that can get me to 190 so im thinking this is super charging that seeing as ive already shot up to 181 in the last week and im barely starting to catch the effects of this and have a ways to go ya know? we'll see!
 
yeah the muscle memory plus the compound should take you all the way there actually. Your diet has to be spot on though. Don't forget the carbs dude I'm not joking. As a nutrition major, you can take my advice. We are about the same height and look what I did with spot on nutrition.

PS. We are all different with different metabolisms, but we are athletes, and the athletes metabolic ability to store tons of glycogen and carb load is not outweighed by his genetics.
 
Blergs said:
Why not run a test only cycle for 12-14 weeks. then next time add an oral. or at the very least do the oral woth the test, dont do test free cycle IMO..
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KilaCali said:
You talking about running a REAL cycle pinning the test and then running the oral afterwards or both together?? I know a few people doing that, I actually know a guy running the real test and taking 3 oral ph's with it.. pretty crazy, the more I do this the more interesting and fun its getting though lol.
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Just me he commenting on this but there is no way in hell if I just did a 4 year stint I would entertain a testosterone run. Too many things can go wrong like a pissed of girlfriend ratting you out or any other silliness. You look pretty jacked already I would stick with the orals and maybe entertain pinning trest or DTA which are not illegal to have in your possession. Hope I am not over stepping here just my $.02
KilaCali said:
I feel ya out of experience usually that's the end results, but I still have muscle memory that can get me to 190 so im thinking this is super charging that seeing as ive already shot up to 181 in the last week and im barely starting to catch the effects of this and have a ways to go ya know? we'll see!
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It could but I think that HardEarned has a valid point and you are probably seeing some effects of better nutrition and increased glycogen/water storage right now and the gains will slow but you could still possibly get another 10 depending on how big you were before. Also let us all remember this is a rebound effect from you being sick and losing a lot of weight so your 10 lbs can probably start from about here whic was closer to your weight before you got sick if I remember correctly.
HardEarned said:
yeah the muscle memory plus the compound should take you all the way there actually. Your diet has to be spot on though. Don't forget the carbs dude I'm not joking. As a nutrition major, you can take my advice. We are about the same height and look what I did with spot on nutrition.

PS. We are all different with different metabolisms, but we are athletes, and the athletes metabolic ability to store tons of glycogen and carb load is not outweighed by his genetics.
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@Heardearned I agree and disagree... you probably do know more than me about nutrition being that you are a nutrition major, and I am just getting a sports nutrition coaching certification. I totally agree on the the fact that all athletes can use and store quite a bit of glycogen. However someone who is extremely insulin sensitive in both fat cells and the muscle can add a lot of fat quickly when trying to eat as anabolically as possible. Someone like this has to time most carbs either around the training when Glut4 activation is at its maximum, or in the evening when insulin sensitivity is down after keeping carbs lower through out the day. That or eat less carbs and increase other macros to get the higher calories. I am not saying a low carb diet but lower than someone who is not dealing with the same genetic make up.

I am sure that is probably kind of what you meant. I am more or less stating this for the people reading this that may not know what the differences are. Someone who's fat cells are less insulin sensitive can easily spread 300 grams of carbs across the day without having negative effects at all but someone less carb tolerant will gain fat in that scenario if there is a surplus. However that same individual could avoid carbs for breakfast have a little bit in the next few meals workout after work and smash 200-300 grams of carbs post workout still getting 300g and get leaner and still gain mass. For someone carb sensitive adding carbs over and over through out the day tells the body to keep storing through out the day not just in the muscle tissue but in fat and muscle. So the application is different even when the macros are the same. I can not eat more than 200g of carbs a day spread out or I will gain fat. However 200-300 peri workout or in the evening and I am solid. Many carb intolerant people I deal with are the same way. However people who are not carb intolerant I tend to spread things out for a lot more.

Your thoughts on this? I am pretty sure that @kilakali wont mind an advanced nutrition conversation in his log.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Just me he commenting on this but there is no way in hell if I just did a 4 year stint I would entertain a testosterone run. Too many things can go wrong like a pissed of girlfriend ratting you out or any other silliness. You look pretty jacked already I would stick with the orals and maybe entertain pinning trest or DTA which are not illegal to have in your possession. Hope I am not over stepping here just my $.02

It could but I think that HardEarned has a valid point and you are probably seeing some effects of better nutrition and increased glycogen/water storage right now and the gains will slow but you could still possibly get another 10 depending on how big you were before. Also let us all remember this is a rebound effect from you being sick and losing a lot of weight so your 10 lbs can probably start from about here whic was closer to your weight before you got sick if I remember correctly.


@Heardearned I agree and disagree... you probably do know more than me about nutrition being that you are a nutrition major, and I am just getting a sports nutrition coaching certification. I totally agree on the the fact that all athletes can use and store quite a bit of glycogen. However someone who is extremely insulin sensitive in both fat cells and the muscle can add a lot of fat quickly when trying to eat as anabolically as possible. Someone like this has to time most carbs either around the training when Glut4 activation is at its maximum, or in the evening when insulin sensitivity is down after keeping carbs lower through out the day. That or eat less carbs and increase other macros to get the higher calories. I am not saying a low carb diet but lower than someone who is not dealing with the same genetic make up.

I am sure that is probably kind of what you meant. I am more or less stating this for the people reading this that may not know what the differences are. Someone who's fat cells are less insulin sensitive can easily spread 300 grams of carbs across the day without having negative effects at all but someone less carb tolerant will gain fat in that scenario if there is a surplus. However that same individual could avoid carbs for breakfast have a little bit in the next few meals workout after work and smash 200-300 grams of carbs post workout still getting 300g and get leaner and still gain mass. For someone carb sensitive adding carbs over and over through out the day tells the body to keep storing through out the day not just in the muscle tissue but in fat and muscle. So the application is different even when the macros are the same. I can not eat more than 200g of carbs a day spread out or I will gain fat. However 200-300 peri workout or in the evening and I am solid. Many carb intolerant people I deal with are the same way. However people who are not carb intolerant I tend to spread things out for a lot more.

Your thoughts on this? I am pretty sure that @kilakali wont mind an advanced nutrition conversation in his log.
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First off to Clear the first part up MrKleen, I Myself was not referring to pinning myself when I mentioned things getting more interesting and exciting, I was simply stating that gaining this first hand experience from witnessing what each person Is doing is all intriguing to me, I definitely do not plan to do any kind of pinning for a long time, I prefer to stick to the oral ph cycles such as where im at now and quite possibly something a little more potent in the near future I do agree too many things can go wrong and I would hate period to get taken out of this environment in the middle of a cycle! I for one though am staying very clean and keeping it legit cause I don't not plan to go back and will not allow myself to get put in that position again so if I can run a good oral ph cycle here and there legally without any rammifacations ill be riding that wave for sure! and you are definitely not overstepping anything, that is one huge reason why i'm doing this log and putting myself out there is for any feedback in any aspect of life and these hobbys/interests I share with a lot of guys on here, I do appreciate all of which you said.
Second off I definitely agree about the rebound effect, I was about 184 before I got sick and dropped to 171, I forgot to weigh myself tday but I knoe yesterday I was 181 so I guess I will be at my startin point now from more recently, but I was also heavier then that about 6-8 months ago at about 192... so we'll see, my muscle memory has always been EXTREMELY fast after losing weight if I start working out and eating just anything as long as its enough daily I can gain that 10-15lb of muscle memory in 1-3 short weeks..anyways
3rd of all, no I definitely don't mind the extra conversations speak your minds.
 
KilaCali said:
First off to Clear the first part up MrKleen, I Myself was not referring to pinning myself when I mentioned things getting more interesting and exciting, I was simply stating that gaining this first hand experience from witnessing what each person Is doing is all intriguing to me, I definitely do not plan to do any kind of pinning for a long time, I prefer to stick to the oral ph cycles such as where im at now and quite possibly something a little more potent in the near future I do agree too many things can go wrong and I would hate period to get taken out of this environment in the middle of a cycle! I for one though am staying very clean and keeping it legit cause I don't not plan to go back and will not allow myself to get put in that position again so if I can run a good oral ph cycle here and there legally without any rammifacations ill be riding that wave for sure! and you are definitely not overstepping anything, that is one huge reason why i'm doing this log and putting myself out there is for any feedback in any aspect of life and these hobbys/interests I share with a lot of guys on here, I do appreciate all of which you said.
Second off I definitely agree about the rebound effect, I was about 184 before I got sick and dropped to 171, I forgot to weigh myself tday but I knoe yesterday I was 181 so I guess I will be at my startin point now from more recently, but I was also heavier then that about 6-8 months ago at about 192... so we'll see, my muscle memory has always been EXTREMELY fast after losing weight if I start working out and eating just anything as long as its enough daily I can gain that 10-15lb of muscle memory in 1-3 short weeks..anyways
3rd of all, no I definitely don't mind the extra conversations speak your minds.
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Excellent and I didn't think you were stating you were thinking about it just kind of making my recommendation not to even be tempted by the idea. Again there are "legal" options out there right now for pinning that people are getting crazy gains from like trest acetate or DTA if you wanted to go that route.

Yeah I think you are going to do really well on this Halo run and I am excited to see what happens with it.
 
Though I really never even conceived the idea of pinning now that your saying there are legal and straight options people ARE doing that like this trest or DTA, whats the DTA and is it worth it opposed to orals? I'm pretty happy so far with the oral's and im barely getting started when theres so many more out there that are just mind blowing im still somewhat interested In what you are referring too and appreciate you riding along, I think things are going to get a lot better real soon here going on my third week...
 
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Day 15: Weight 181lbs

Sorry I Havent posted in some time guys, been a really rough week, to cap it off a VERY close friend of mine passed literally 4-6 hours after I talked to her at midnight the other night, the next morning a family member found her cold and there was no saving her and there was no seeing this coming, ive been totally devastated from this but im trying to stay on path, heres my mosty recent log from Saturday..

Day 16 12-6-14 Legs & Shoulders Weight 182.2lbs

No Rack was open so I started my squats with Smith Machine.. Regular Stance Squats
Warmup 1x25 (135lbs)
1x15 (185lbs), 1x15 Sumo (225) 1x15 Close (225) 1X12 (205)
Last 3 Sets Were done Supersetted with Arnold DB Presses 1x15(45lbs)

LegPress's
1x12 Wide/1x12 Close BacktoBack (320lbs)
1x12 Close/1x12 Wide BacktoBack (320lbs)
1x15 Close (320lbs)
1x12 Reg Footing (475lbs)
Last 3 Sets of Leg Press Supersetted with Seated Barbell Shoulder Press 3x12 (185lbs)

Large EZ-Bar Upright Row's
3x12 (105lbs?) <-Forget what the large Ez-bar weighs
Superset with Calve Raises
With Acciording Weight to Failure ay Given Rep- 4x12,10,8,6

Bent Over Lateral Raises 3x15,12,8-10 Starting Weight 17.5lb DB, 15lb, 12.5lb

Side Lateral Raises(Standing) 3x12 (17.5lb DB, 15lb, 12.5 )

^^^^--Normally I Stay at 12-15 Reps For both versions of my lat raises but since not doing them in soooo long my endurance seems a little crapified I was reaching failure at less reps each time..

Now for one of my favorite moves I like to finish my delts with depending on how im feeling I either don't use a special finisher or I use one of 2 or 3 different specialized moves to really burn whats left.. This time I chose Prone Lying High Incline Rev-Flyes
5x12-25 (Because the first 2 sets I usually hit 20-25 after that failure starts kicking in sooner so I might get 1x18, 1x15, 1x12, 1x8-10) I also keep my rest periods short, around 25-40 seconds tops... anyways by the time I do my last set my delts are COOKED... I Aplogize for the light weight throughout the log, its definitely the best I can do currently as I said before im still slowly getting back into it and this next week should be a hell of a lot better as each week im definitely regaining my strength and muscle memory, thanks for stopped through and checking it out guys, appreciate all the feedback, comments, constructive criticism etc.. hope you guys have a great week!!
 
nbshazeezee said:
I'm really sorry for your loss my friend. I am here if you need anyone to talk to, of course.
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I really appreciate that bro! its been a tough time and im mentally and even partially physically screwed up over the whole ordeal but I gotta hit that gym tomorrow for sure and work this off, I dont want to let it get me off my cycle, its probably the best thing for me to do is hit the gym, maybe even more then usual..
 
KilaCali said:
I really appreciate that bro! its been a tough time and im mentally and even partially physically screwed up over the whole ordeal but I gotta hit that gym tomorrow for sure and work this off, I dont want to let it get me off my cycle, its probably the best thing for me to do is hit the gym, maybe even more then usual..
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yeah man. Just keep your head on straight and make sure your thinking rationally. Also keep your thoughts on the task at hand. You will pull through and still have an awesome cycle.
 
nbshazeezee said:
yeah man. Just keep your head on straight and make sure your thinking rationally. Also keep your thoughts on the task at hand. You will pull through and still have an awesome cycle.
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Thanks bro, that's the hardest thing thinking rationally I feel like I have a lot of fog in my head right now I think from the shock of the current events, but I am determined like a son of a b**ch to stay on track and continue making the most from this cycle
 
I Just posted a New thread asking a few small questions, hoping someone can clarify them for me, would appreciate anybody and everybody checking it out, thanks you all!
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MrKleen73 said:
Just me he commenting on this but there is no way in hell if I just did a 4 year stint I would entertain a testosterone run. Too many things can go wrong like a pissed of girlfriend ratting you out or any other silliness. You look pretty jacked already I would stick with the orals and maybe entertain pinning trest or DTA which are not illegal to have in your possession. Hope I am not over stepping here just my $.02

It could but I think that HardEarned has a valid point and you are probably seeing some effects of better nutrition and increased glycogen/water storage right now and the gains will slow but you could still possibly get another 10 depending on how big you were before. Also let us all remember this is a rebound effect from you being sick and losing a lot of weight so your 10 lbs can probably start from about here whic was closer to your weight before you got sick if I remember correctly.


@Heardearned I agree and disagree... you probably do know more than me about nutrition being that you are a nutrition major, and I am just getting a sports nutrition coaching certification. I totally agree on the the fact that all athletes can use and store quite a bit of glycogen. However someone who is extremely insulin sensitive in both fat cells and the muscle can add a lot of fat quickly when trying to eat as anabolically as possible. Someone like this has to time most carbs either around the training when Glut4 activation is at its maximum, or in the evening when insulin sensitivity is down after keeping carbs lower through out the day. That or eat less carbs and increase other macros to get the higher calories. I am not saying a low carb diet but lower than someone who is not dealing with the same genetic make up.

I am sure that is probably kind of what you meant. I am more or less stating this for the people reading this that may not know what the differences are. Someone who's fat cells are less insulin sensitive can easily spread 300 grams of carbs across the day without having negative effects at all but someone less carb tolerant will gain fat in that scenario if there is a surplus. However that same individual could avoid carbs for breakfast have a little bit in the next few meals workout after work and smash 200-300 grams of carbs post workout still getting 300g and get leaner and still gain mass. For someone carb sensitive adding carbs over and over through out the day tells the body to keep storing through out the day not just in the muscle tissue but in fat and muscle. So the application is different even when the macros are the same. I can not eat more than 200g of carbs a day spread out or I will gain fat. However 200-300 peri workout or in the evening and I am solid. Many carb intolerant people I deal with are the same way. However people who are not carb intolerant I tend to spread things out for a lot more.

Your thoughts on this? I am pretty sure that @kilakali wont mind an advanced nutrition conversation in his log.
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MrKleen73 You are correct. If the individuals fat cells are insulin sensitive as well, then one may become prone to storing fat with lots of carbs. Like you said, dome carbs after a workout then. Your muscle cells will become very insulin sensitive regardless of genetics because you train. Fat cells may not become less sensitive however. The question is then, would the excess insulin sensitivity by the muscle cells (due to training) be enough to snatch up the overwhelming majority of the carbs out of the bloodstream via insulin? If this is something your questioning then play it safe and eat a gang of carbs post workout. As opposed to spread out throughout the day. I personally believe pretty much regardless of genetics, if you train hard, don't trip on carb loading. Watch the fat if anything.

But yeah your pretty much right! Good thorough explanation. I like it. You probably know as much as me. Sports nutrition is very specific. I've only taken one class on it!
 
First brother I am sorry to hear of your loss and hope you can find some peace! Second I hope your situation with the swollen feet is getting better.

@Heardearned Excellent that we are on the same page and yes I agree when Glut4 and Glut12 trans-location is high it is going to be hard for fat to be able to store. Also the conversion of carbs to fat for storage does not even begin to take place until glycogen stores are full. One thing to remember though is slower digesting fats take about 3 hours to even enter the bloodstream as a form of energy so it is highly unlikely that insulin will stll be high after your post work out carbs. So the likelihood of them being stored is not very high so long as continued carb consumption does not take place. It is really all so fascinating I find it hard to believe more people are not fascinated by nutrition and metabolic / hormonal reactions to it.
 
MrKleen73 said:
First brother I am sorry to hear of your loss and hope you can find some peace! Second I hope your situation with the swollen feet is getting better.

@Heardearned Excellent that we are on the same page and yes I agree when Glut4 and Glut12 trans-location is high it is going to be hard for fat to be able to store. Also the conversion of carbs to fat for storage does not even begin to take place until glycogen stores are full. One thing to remember though is slower digesting fats take about 3 hours to even enter the bloodstream as a form of energy so it is highly unlikely that insulin will stll be high after your post work out carbs. So the likelihood of them being stored is not very high so long as continued carb consumption does not take place. It is really all so fascinating I find it hard to believe more people are not fascinated by nutrition and metabolic / hormonal reactions to it.
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MrKleen73 I Appreciate the support and so far the swelling has seemed to stay about the same, almost lessened a TINY bit? I know when I rub and put a tiny bit of pressure on the outside of my foot where the bone is it hurts a little and the inside of my ankle(the medial malleolus) where the bone sticks out has a good amount of pain when I press lightly around it and when im sitting in the chair kinda leaning forward with my legs underneath and a little behind me my right foot where the main swelling is starts to goto sleep and get tingley.. so im still in a point of not really understanding why its like that.. as far as my back pain it feels like it starts toward the upper outside of my glute where it joins the hip and I really feel it when I bend my whole torso to the right.. so no idea if that's related or not.. anyways aside from that I most definitely agree with you about extreme fascination with nutrition and every thing affected by it as well as the physiology of the human body and everything involved with it, its never ending the knowledge you gain from it and how much more there is left to discover!! I find myself spending hours a day researching one little reaction to eating a pea let alone all the little supplements herbal/vitamin/mineral/hormonal/etc... just awesome stuff! :-O
 
Did you get some Nettle Root yet? Go get some man I am telling you it will release the flood that is holding that back... Halo will make prostate swell. A swollen prostate makes it hard to pee and if not enough pressure to push things out they don't come out. You start getting good heavy flow on pissing and those legs will empty out. The pain is from the water filling the joints so tight that it is creating pressure on the connective tissue causing inflammation which causes the pain. If not nettle root at least get some Uva Ursi or Dandelion root to get yourself peeing the water out you don't want it pooling down there that is not good for anything.
 
I would use DAA during cycle IMO, then do PCT after PH and DAA
 
KilaCali said:
Though I really never even conceived the idea of pinning now that your saying there are legal and straight options people ARE doing that like this trest or DTA, whats the DTA and is it worth it opposed to orals? I'm pretty happy so far with the oral's and im barely getting started when theres so many more out there that are just mind blowing im still somewhat interested In what you are referring too and appreciate you riding along, I think things are going to get a lot better real soon here going on my third week...
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Sorry late but dienolone is the sh**** once you get used to it but I'm running so many compounds right now it's ridiculous
 
MrKleen73 said:
Did you get some Nettle Root yet? Go get some man I am telling you it will release the flood that is holding that back... Halo will make prostate swell. A swollen prostate makes it hard to pee and if not enough pressure to push things out they don't come out. You start getting good heavy flow on pissing and those legs will empty out. The pain is from the water filling the joints so tight that it is creating pressure on the connective tissue causing inflammation which causes the pain. If not nettle root at least get some Uva Ursi or Dandelion root to get yourself peeing the water out you don't want it pooling down there that is not good for anything.
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Havent had a chance yet man sucks I don't get paid til Saturday so everything is hanging on that b.s. I was thinking ill call the doc tomorrow and see if I cant get in and get some blood work to see if its my kidneys and if not of course on Saturday get some nettle root and some other things like your mentioning to get me draining that damn fluid out.. sucks man >:/
 
Well if you are not able to pee well your creatinine is going to be high regardless. Big thing is if there is protein in your urine, and the simple fact you are pooling water in your feet and ankles. Hope everything works out brother!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Well if you are not able to pee well your creatinine is going to be high regardless. Big thing is if there is protein in your urine, and the simple fact you are pooling water in your feet and ankles. Hope everything works out brother!
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Appreciate it once again, im noticing it seems like only my right foot ankle and calf are the ones affected and swolling, the other side seem fine im not really noticing any difference from the norm on the left.. same deal regardless right? Ill be working on getting those supplements for sure, how soon after starting those would someone typically see results?
 
KilaCali said:
Havent had a chance yet man sucks I don't get paid til Saturday so everything is hanging on that b.s. I was thinking ill call the doc tomorrow and see if I cant get in and get some blood work to see if its my kidneys and if not of course on Saturday get some nettle root and some other things like your mentioning to get me draining that damn fluid out.. sucks man >:/
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Also i have found that parsley juice and parsley tea will cause a great positive effect in drainage of edema and associated water

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MrKleen73 said:
First brother I am sorry to hear of your loss and hope you can find some peace! Second I hope your situation with the swollen feet is getting better.

@Heardearned Excellent that we are on the same page and yes I agree when Glut4 and Glut12 trans-location is high it is going to be hard for fat to be able to store. Also the conversion of carbs to fat for storage does not even begin to take place until glycogen stores are full. One thing to remember though is slower digesting fats take about 3 hours to even enter the bloodstream as a form of energy so it is highly unlikely that insulin will stll be high after your post work out carbs. So the likelihood of them being stored is not very high so long as continued carb consumption does not take place. It is really all so fascinating I find it hard to believe more people are not fascinated by nutrition and metabolic / hormonal reactions to it.
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Yeah when liver glycogen stores are full. it's all bad for carbs. They will turn to fat even if muscle glycogen stores aren't full. So avoid more than 2 pieces of fruit a day when carb loading. Fruit contain fructose which fills liver glycogen stores fast as muscle tissue cannot uptake fructose.

The liver glycogen stores are actually not very big.
 
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