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Ostarine Questions

I am currently on day 12 of my Osta cycle. I was using it for a bulk but have cut down on my carbs lately to maintain insulin sensitivity because I have been bulking and carb loading for over a year. I continue to gain strength but look a little leaner and lost 3 lbs. Maybe due to carb restrictions and less water retention. But strength is going up mildly and its only day 12. before this my strength would not go up hardly at all in a months time.
 
kissdadookie said:
Why? Clomid both recovers HPTA balance very well as well as being able to boost test levels a bit as well. The same really can't be said about OTC test boosters IMO.
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Its not uncommon to have E2 levels at the upper end of "normal" and even beyond, with Clomid.



You're worried about estrogen on Osta but not Clomid?? Lol

(id be the first person to admit I'm wrong, dont take my comments negatively. I mostly question to learn.)
 
Alot of people dont like Clomid's (emotional) side effects.
 
Nolva is better for blocking estrogen receptors for reasons like gyno. Clomid is a little better for restoring HPTA function.
 
blacklac said:
Its not uncommon to have E2 levels at the upper end of "normal" and even beyond, with Clomid.



You're worried about estrogen on Osta but not Clomid?? Lol

(id be the first person to admit I'm wrong, dont take my comments negatively. I mostly question to learn.)
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Your estrogen will be a little higher but so will your test levels, so you have a good balance there. Adverse issues are pretty much avoided by running it at low doses EOD as well towards the tail end. Negative mood impact from clomid generally doesn't appear when you're using lower dosages of clomid. More is not necessarily better in this case.

Fit1962 said:
Kiss, I've order my letro and clomid! Why do so many people recommend nolva?
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Because it blocks the estrogen receptor site in breast tissue so it can help prevent estrogen related gyno issues. However, if you have gyno symptoms already, letro is the way to go. Nolva can also be used after letro usage to prevent estrogen rebound (so you are trying to block the receptor sites in breast tissue from heightened estrogen levels from letro when the letro leaves your system after you stop use of it, which by the way you can alternatively just taper the letro dosage down to mitigate rebound as well, IMO the Nolva is handy to have in case you don't respond to the clomid treatment).

Clomid generally restores HPTA better though. It is the SERM that is recommended even in the relatively recent study on effective PCT protocols.
 
kissdadookie said:
Your estrogen will be a little higher but so will your test levels, so you have a good balance there. Adverse issues are pretty much avoided by running it at low doses EOD as well towards the tail end. Negative mood impact from clomid generally doesn't appear when you're using lower dosages of clomid. More is not necessarily better in this case.



Because it blocks the estrogen receptor site in breast tissue so it can help prevent estrogen related gyno issues. However, if you have gyno symptoms already, letro is the way to go. Nolva can also be used after letro usage to prevent estrogen rebound (so you are trying to block the receptor sites in breast tissue from heightened estrogen levels from letro when the letro leaves your system after you stop use of it, which by the way you can alternatively just taper the letro dosage down to mitigate rebound as well, IMO the Nolva is handy to have in case you don't respond to the clomid treatment).

Clomid generally restores HPTA better though. It is the SERM that is recommended even in the relatively recent study on effective PCT protocols.
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All you guys have much more experience than I do. And I know this can vary, but in general are research chemicals ok to use vs pharma?
 
kissdadookie said:
Your estrogen will be a little higher but so will your test levels, so you have a good balance there. Adverse issues are pretty much avoided by running it at low doses EOD as well towards the tail end. Negative mood impact from clomid generally doesn't appear when you're using lower dosages of clomid. More is not necessarily better in this case.



Because it blocks the estrogen receptor site in breast tissue so it can help prevent estrogen related gyno issues. However, if you have gyno symptoms already, letro is the way to go. Nolva can also be used after letro usage to prevent estrogen rebound (so you are trying to block the receptor sites in breast tissue from heightened estrogen levels from letro when the letro leaves your system after you stop use of it, which by the way you can alternatively just taper the letro dosage down to mitigate rebound as well, IMO the Nolva is handy to have in case you don't respond to the clomid treatment).

Clomid generally restores HPTA better though. It is the SERM that is recommended even in the relatively recent study on effective PCT protocols.
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There is no such thing as letro rebound, this is common broscience surrounding competitive AIs. Additionally, nolva + letro > letro alone for gyno for obvious reasons (letro blocks aromatase but does not affect existing estrogen).
 
Fit1962 said:
All you guys have much more experience than I do. And I know this can vary, but in general are research chemicals ok to use vs pharma?
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Yes, problem lies however in you having to do your homework on RC shops as some are selling underdosed or just straight up bunk.
 
At 25mg, would recovery be quicker in pct on a 5 week cycle vs 6-8 weeks? And if so, would that also mean better retention of gains?
 
jarod86 said:
At 25mg, would recovery be quicker in pct on a 5 week cycle vs 6-8 weeks? And if so, would that also mean better retention of gains?
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Recovery is the same regardless if you have the proper protocol in place. You're going to be suppressed regardless so go 6-8. 6 at 30mg or 8 at 25mg. And gains are retained given that you have a proper pct and your don't let your hormones go out of whack. It's not like SD where you gain like 20lbs of muscle and water and only keep 6-10. You will gain water because ostarine is estrogenic. Look at my log, in 10 days I managed to put on 12 pounds of water while eating ridiculous amounts of carbs, but the rest is pure muscle that isn't going away. Just think of Ostarine or any SARM as a genetic amplifier.
 
I did 10mg in my pct with nolva and helped a ton. Im a couple months after pct and im stronger than before. Just sayin. Probably try 25 next for 8 weeks.
 
The Engineer said:
Recovery is the same regardless if you have the proper protocol in place. You're going to be suppressed regardless so go 6-8. 6 at 30mg or 8 at 25mg. And gains are retained given that you have a proper pct and your don't let your hormones go out of whack. It's not like SD where you gain like 20lbs of muscle and water and only keep 6-10. You will gain water because ostarine is estrogenic. Look at my log, in 10 days I managed to put on 12 pounds of water while eating ridiculous amounts of carbs, but the rest is pure muscle that isn't going away. Just think of Ostarine or any SARM as a genetic amplifier.
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Genetic amplifier. I like that.

Seeking everyone's thoughts on which of the following pct options is best;

1) rc tamox 3 weeks
Viron 8 weeks
Prolactrone 8 weeks
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks


2) rc tamox 3 weeks
Alphamax 8 weeks (has b6 and l-dopa which is said to be bad mix)
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks

3) rc tamox 3 weeks
Tropinol XP 4 weeks then Viron 8 weeks or viseversa
Prolactrone 8 weeks
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks

Tamox can be 4 weeks though I've read 3 is enough at 40/20/20-15
 
jarod86 said:
Genetic amplifier. I like that.

Seeking everyone's thoughts on which of the following pct options is best;

1) rc tamox 3 weeks
Viron 8 weeks
Prolactrone 8 weeks
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks


2) rc tamox 3 weeks
Alphamax 8 weeks (has b6 and l-dopa which is said to be bad mix)
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks

3) rc tamox 3 weeks
Tropinol XP 4 weeks then Viron 8 weeks or viseversa
Prolactrone 8 weeks
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks

Tamox can be 4 weeks though I've read 3 is enough at 40/20/20-15
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Option 1 is fine. May want to consider 4 weeks on the SERM. 4 is minimum IMO for any PCT.
 
jarod86 said:
Genetic amplifier. I like that.

Seeking everyone's thoughts on which of the following pct options is best;

1) rc tamox 3 weeks
Viron 8 weeks
Prolactrone 8 weeks
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks


2) rc tamox 3 weeks
Alphamax 8 weeks (has b6 and l-dopa which is said to be bad mix)
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks

3) rc tamox 3 weeks
Tropinol XP 4 weeks then Viron 8 weeks or viseversa
Prolactrone 8 weeks
Formeron
Daa 6 weeks

Tamox can be 4 weeks though I've read 3 is enough at 40/20/20-15
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Option 1 is best, option 2 second (alphamax and form is a lot of AI at once, your joints might hate you), option 3 is meh (tropinol sucks IMO)

Personally, I like alphamax and think prolactrone is great but overkill. id do viron, alpha, and maybe something else like anabeta for strength.
 
To be perfectly honest, I would run the SERM for 6-8 weeks if I didn't have bloods as reference. Perhaps taper it for weeks 5-6/8.
 
Contaygious said:
Must be overkill if four weeks is used for aas
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The whole 4-weeks for PCT concept should be looked at as a minimum. Again, most people assume that they are fully recovered after 4 weeks, without ever checking bloods.

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kissdadookie said:
The whole 4-weeks for PCT concept should be looked at as a minimum. Again, most people assume that they are fully recovered after 4 weeks, without ever checking bloods.
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Exactly. That's why tapering a SERM is so crucial and that's why if utilizing an AI, it should be incorporated in the final weeks of PCT (i.e. starting week 3 and on and then tapring).

PCT for Ostarine should be a breeze, but it should not be taken lightly. For all intents and purposes, it should be the same PCT one would run off HDrol.
 
I've been running Osta (20mg) for almost 3 weeks now and eliminate with it im seeing some slight gyno. Granted I haven't been dosing the full dose of eliminate went from week 1 25mg currently week 2 50mg and on week 3 i was going to bump to 75mg until end of 6th week were I stopped osta and then tapered of off eliminate.

I've been seeing great gains and I love it, but I'm not even done with week 2 and already seeing slight gyno so im already hesitant on continuing even past 3. Should I prep some SERM? and how should I incorporate it into my run here?
 
Shysty said:
I've been running Osta (20mg) for almost 3 weeks now and eliminate with it im seeing some slight gyno. Granted I haven't been dosing the full dose of eliminate went from week 1 25mg currently week 2 50mg and on week 3 i was going to bump to 75mg until end of 6th week were I stopped osta and then tapered of off eliminate.

I've been seeing great gains and I love it, but I'm not even done with week 2 and already seeing slight gyno so im already hesitant on continuing even past 3. Should I prep some SERM? and how should I incorporate it into my run here?
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if you have gyno, you need letro (an AI), not a serm. the serm is for pct.
 
Letro or Ralox
 
booneman77 said:
Option 1 is best, option 2 second (alphamax and form is a lot of AI at once, your joints might hate you), option 3 is meh (tropinol sucks IMO) Personally, I like alphamax and think prolactrone is great but overkill. id do viron, alpha, and maybe something else like anabeta for strength.
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Thanks. It's Just that I have all these in my stash, and liked the sound of 'increased hgh' from the prolactrone.
 
Contaygious said:
I used four weeks on my pct and it started working great! So sad I have to stop now. Im also was on nolva. But everything i hear says if you do 20mg for six weeks you are good with otc pct.

Ep1c and dermastrength are good with it plus my other sig stuff like xfactor and pa
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I thought you could use it on pct? What happened to that?
 
jarod86 said:
Thanks. It's Just that I have all these in my stash, and liked the sound of 'increased hgh' from the prolactrone.
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if you have it then go for it. I just think its pricey for something thats a bit stronger then needed. It's GREAT stuff though
 
fightnews said:
I thought you could use it on pct? What happened to that?
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You can, you're reading opinions of individuals, not to be taken as fact but merely their opinions.
 
Just saying, I take Osta in PCT and it works wonders.

10mg and Nolvadex FTW!
 
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