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Ostarine Questions

Spaniard said:
No point in quoting me, I put you on my ignore list, I can't see what you post at all.
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Good. So I guess you will never answer the straight forward question I posed to you before, do you have bloodwork to demonstrate that using ostarine for PCT is a good idea and doesn't impeded recovery.

We all know the obvious answer to that, but alas, you're going to spew a bunch of stuff about how it will help retain gains. Well, shucks, I would certainly hope that running something that acts as an androgen would help retain strength and what not. LOL.
 
kissdadookie said:
Good. So I guess you will never answer the straight forward question I posed to you before, do you have bloodwork to demonstrate that using ostarine for PCT is a good idea and doesn't impeded recovery.

We all know the obvious answer to that, but alas, you're going to spew a bunch of stuff about how it will help retain gains. Well, shucks, I would certainly hope that running something that acts as an androgen would help retain strength and what not. LOL.
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I wouldn't say it's for strength help it's more for mass.

Plus Osta makes me hungry as ****.
 
kissdadookie said:
Good. So I guess you will never answer the straight forward question I posed to you before, do you have bloodwork to demonstrate that using ostarine for PCT is a good idea and doesn't impeded recovery.

We all know the obvious answer to that, but alas, you're going to spew a bunch of stuff about how it will help retain gains. Well, shucks, I would certainly hope that running something that acts as an androgen would help retain strength and what not. LOL.
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Man, reading comprehension with you is atrocious.

I can't see your posts at all since my post saying I'm done.

I cannot read your posts or replies. All I see is that you quoted me.
 
Everyone, I'll get bloods done in January before I get on, right before PCT and when I finish.
 
kissdadookie said:
Mmmhmmm. Doesn't matter because you still haven't addressed the bloodwork question. LOL.



Yeah, "feel" with no bloodwork. LOL.
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I get that you want the blood work part of it answered but could I personally disregard the effects Osta had during my last PCT?

Yes I "felt" fine with no blood work but lemme ask you this, when do you go to the doctor? When you "feel" bad.

You don't go get a random check up and they say, well your bloods came back and your sick.

You can feel your body and what it's going through. No you can't numbers to it, but you can feel things like that.
 
Tagger said:
I get that you want the blood work part of it answered but could I personally disregard the effects Osta had during my last PCT?

Yes I "felt" fine with no blood work but lemme ask you this, when do you go to the doctor? When you "feel" bad.

You don't go get a random check up and they say, well your bloods came back and your sick.

You can feel your body and what it's going through. No you can't numbers to it, but you can feel things like that.
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It's very simple, what you got from the ostarine in terms of retaining gains is because you came off an androgen and jumped on another one, you've effectively extended your cycle.

As for all this hoopla about "feeling" shut down, LOL. Many of the times the negative feels of running a compound is actually not due to the shut down but rather due to it having a negative impact on some of your health markers. Also some compounds you just don't really feel that bad running to begin with and then there's also the fact that some people appear to do better with some compounds than others. The "feel" has nothing to do with you feeling the shut down or not the majority of times.

Again, the 1-andro study which was pretty recent, those folks most certainly got shut down, they ran no PCT, lost the gains in a few months. However, it is highly unlikely that they actually "felt" being shut down. There's also another study that is relatively recent in which they checked hormonal levels of folks whom have done AAS but have not done a cycle in 6-12+ months. They were still shut down and you can be damn sure it's highly likely that they've been walking around assuming that they were recovered.

Not everything you can "feel." Heck, do most people "feel" cancer? Nope. Not until it has progressed to a significant degree the majority of times.
 
kissdadookie said:
It's very simple, what you got from the ostarine in terms of retaining gains is because you came off an androgen and jumped on another one, you've effectively extended your cycle.

As for all this hoopla about "feeling" shut down, LOL. Many of the times the negative feels of running a compound is actually not due to the shut down but rather due to it having a negative impact on some of your health markers. Also some compounds you just don't really feel that bad running to begin with and then there's also the fact that some people appear to do better with some compounds than others. The "feel" has nothing to do with you feeling the shut down or not the majority of times.

Again, the 1-andro study which was pretty recent, those folks most certainly got shut down, they ran no PCT, lost the gains in a few months. However, it is highly unlikely that they actually "felt" being shut down. There's also another study that is relatively recent in which they checked hormonal levels of folks whom have done AAS but have not done a cycle in 6-12+ months. They were still shut down and you can be damn sure it's highly likely that they've been walking around assuming that they were recovered.

Not everything you can "feel." Heck, do most people "feel" cancer? Nope. Not until it has progressed to a significant degree the majority of times.
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I'm just saying, when I was younger and didn't have a clue what I was doing I ran EPI with no PCT and I felt it when that was out of my system and my regular test hadn't started back up yet.

I get what you mean about extending it and I think we all know that a longer cycle means more kept gains.

I think that Osta will essentially extend the cycle with far less sides, and suppression.

I remember you posting a study about suppression with Osta at 5mg in older people (I think that's what it was) but I don't think the stuff we can buy is close to 100% like pharmaceuticals.

I believe the study said there was little suppression at dosages lower that 5mg (pure). That's why I pop 10mg in PCT with Nolvadex.
 
Tagger said:
I'm just saying, when I was younger and didn't have a clue what I was doing I ran EPI with no PCT and I felt it when that was out of my system and my regular test hadn't started back up yet.

I get what you mean about extending it and I think we all know that a longer cycle means more kept gains.

I think that Osta will essentially extend the cycle with far less sides, and suppression.

I remember you posting a study about suppression with Osta at 5mg in older people (I think that's what it was) but I don't think the stuff we can buy is close to 100% like pharmaceuticals.

I believe the study said there was little suppression at dosages lower that 5mg (pure). That's why I pop 10mg in PCT with Nolvadex.
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Epistane, oh man, that little beaut. Most of the negative "feels" from epistane actually has less to do with shut down and more to do with the fact that you barely have any estrogen in your body (the stuff doesn't aromatize AND has AI-like properties). That and the fact that it also screws with health markers, especially BP. It's not the worse thing you can run but it's not exactly "gentle."

Anecdotal-ly and from online postings of bloodwork results on ostarine, there has been suppression seen in a week with 10 mg's of ostarine and less (the user started with a very low dose and scaled up as the week progressed to 10 mg), it was close to 50% lowering of test. That's in just 1 weeks and using a very low dose. Not complete shutdown there but it's obviously not something that would make sense to use during PCT.
 
Tagger said:
I get that you want the blood work part of it answered but could I personally disregard the effects Osta had during my last PCT?

Yes I "felt" fine with no blood work but lemme ask you this, when do you go to the doctor? When you "feel" bad.

You don't go get a random check up and they say, well your bloods came back and your sick.

You can feel your body and what it's going through. No you can't numbers to it, but you can feel things like that.
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The bottom line is his safety net is blood work. He throws it around in every post. I've responded several times why blood work is only PART of the total equation but being the antagonist he is, he quickly deflects with blood work is all there is, disregarding what anyone says that oppose his ideas. The funny thing is in every post I said blood work was PART of the equation, which is in semi agreement to what he consistently argues about. Hormones are not simply numbers that is all there is to it.

I wouldn't even try to discuss it with him, he'll just say blood work, blood work and try to act like you didn't respond to his questions ad nauseam. It's not worth the time. The only person that loses when arguing with someone like that is the person who continually gets drug back into the conversation. Thank god for the ignore feature :)

Keep making those GAINZ man!
 
Spaniard said:
The bottom line is his safety net is blood work. He throws it around in every post. I've responded several times why blood work is only PART of the total equation but being the antagonist he is, he quickly deflects with blood work is all there is, disregarding what anyone says that oppose his ideas. The funny thing is in every post I said blood work was PART of the equation, which is in semi agreement to what he consistently argues about. Hormones are not simply numbers that is all there is to it.

I wouldn't even try to discuss it with him, he'll just say blood work, blood work and try to act like you didn't respond to his questions ad nauseam. It's not worth the time. The only person that loses when arguing with someone like that is the person who continually gets drug back into the conversation. Thank god for the ignore feature :)

Keep making those GAINZ man!
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Uh huh. So, basically, you're calling bloodwork nothing but a safety net/excuse? I thought you worked in HRT or something like that, so are you implying that you basically just willy nilly give out HRT based on "feels" rather than looking at bloodwork? o.O
 
Spaniard said:
You can, you're reading opinions of individuals, not to be taken as fact but merely their opinions.
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True, true thanks for the reminder
 
interesting, gyno flare up on osta. glad im taking .25mg adex eod with my osta cycle. im on the end of week 2 no problems.
 
HardEarned said:
interesting, gyno flare up on osta. glad im taking .25mg adex eod with my osta cycle. im on the end of week 2 no problems.
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I think this is weird too.

No flares for me and last time I didn't even have an AI.
 
Tagger said:
I think this is weird too.

No flares for me and last time I didn't even have an AI.
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I always had gyno sensitivity when i was overweight (atm ~12% 6'3 214), this is my first time touching something effecting my hormones so im not all that surprised tbh, its not too much gyno just a bit of discoloration around the nipple if you look hard
 
get yourself some adex or letro quick.
 
TN Lift said:
Ok so one last question and my main concern: is there any reason for them to stop me and question it?
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your tripping out, relax. Its not a controlled substance. The drug test kits that they have on hand and the drug smelling dogs wont even register it. Don't worry. It wont register as anything they're looking for even if they did get suspicious of it. Like he said. Throw it in a non suspicious bottle and your good.
 
The Engineer said:
Just put it in your bag and check it.
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That's what I would do. Just avoid the hassle completely. I have traveled for years with random powders/pills (in carry-on mind you) and never had a problem.
 
I have decided at the advice of you guys to get my blood tested before I start ostarine. I already have the ostar1ine and my clomid and letro should be here next thursday. After a little more reading and consideration, I'm wondering whether I might try just running clomid for awhile and see how that works for me? Comments?
 
Fit1962 said:
I have decided at the advice of you guys to get my blood tested before I start ostarine. I already have the ostar1ine and my clomid and letro should be here next thursday. After a little more reading and consideration, I'm wondering whether I might try just running clomid for awhile and see how that works for me? Comments?
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Not unless recommended by a doctor for HRT.

Get tested first if you really want then if all is well jump into the cycle. Don't over think it.
 
run clomid for a little while see how you like it.

I ran clomid, tribulus, and some lame free test booster, and my balls hung down to my knees. They were so big and had so much hangtime even my girlfriend knowticed. Especially when I busted a nut! It was a massive load and a good time! LOL. I can only guess that my test must have been through the roof!
 
HardEarned said:
run clomid for a little while see how you like it.

I ran clomid, tribulus, and some lame free test booster, and my balls hung down to my knees. They were so big and had so much hangtime even my girlfriend knowticed. Especially when I busted a nut! It was a massive load and a good time! LOL. I can only guess that my test must have been through the roof!
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The guy is 52. He should not be using SERMs on a whim without a doctor's recommendation.

A cycle of ostarine and using clomid for PCT is one thing, but experimentation or running a course for the hell of it is another.
 
The Engineer said:
The guy is 52. He should not be using SERMs on a whim without a doctor's recommendation.

A cycle of ostarine and using clomid for PCT is one thing, but experimentation or running a course for the hell of it is another.
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OH hes 52? My bad broskeez! Yeah maybe check with a doctor, I dunno. But there shouldn't be too much of a difference health wise for running clomid for PCT or just running it assuming the dosing isn't too different. I mean, doctors sometimes prescribe clomid to men with low sperm count that are trying to have a baby to get them more fertile. (get the test and sperm production up)
 
The Engineer said:
The guy is 52. He should not be using SERMs on a whim without a doctor's recommendation.

A cycle of ostarine and using clomid for PCT is one thing, but experimentation or running a course for the hell of it is another.
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Dang engineer! I'm not dead yet! Lol
Yes I'm 52 but I'm probably healthier than most guys in their 20s! :)
But I do appreciate you being conservative.
 
HardEarned said:
OH hes 52? My bad broskeez! Yeah maybe check with a doctor, I dunno. But there shouldn't be too much of a difference health wise for running clomid for PCT or just running it assuming the dosing isn't too different. I mean, doctors sometimes prescribe clomid to men with low sperm count that are trying to have a baby to get them more fertile. (get the test and sperm production up)
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Yes here's a great article
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nice article
 
I really don't see clomid having much in terms of adverse effects tbh. It's one of the main treatments they try on patients before going to HRT.
 
Thinking about staying on Ostarine permanently now. This is my second cycle, and my body composition is getting all the girlies wet in the gym. My delts look like they've been injected with synthol. Also heaviest I've ever been at 87.75kg (193.46lb) 2 weeks left.... Fak

(Jk)
 
jarod86 said:
Thinking about staying on Ostarine permanently now. This is my second cycle, and my body composition is getting all the girlies wet in the gym. My delts look like they've been injected with synthol. Also heaviest I've ever been at 87.75kg (193.46lb) 2 weeks left.... Fak

(Jk)
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Jarod, can you tell us more about your ostarine use please.
 
Fit1962 said:
Jarod, can you tell us more about your ostarine use please.
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Hey man.

Just doing a 6 week cycle on 25mg per day.
Both of my Ostarine cycles where used alongside ABE, and I added XFA in this one also.

I have found that an AI is necessary on cycle for me. First cycle I used EP, however this cycle I'm using Formeron to keep those puffy nips at bay.

After my fist cycle the majority of the weight was retained, and a great pump could be achieved, however composition wasn't as 'sweet' as when 'on'.

I don't think I'll ever go back to a methyl PH (have done a quick run of epistane once), as they are toxic and I didn't keep ANY of the weight after proper pct.

I've started taking a pump product 'hemavol' and I can highly recommend also.

My job allows me to eat frequently. I eat every 2-3 hours and I'm pretty sure my calorie surplus factoring in exercise is circa 650-750cals. That's my sweet spot.
 
im loving the ostarine too. I've been with only creatine and tons of calories for over a year. I put on 60lbs and hit a plateau that is unbreakable. Osta has me smashing that plateau right now!!
 
Here are my thoughts on osta and PCT:

Most guys do not come off because of suppression they do it for health reasons. What I mean is after about two weeks you are suppressed and it is not really going to get worse. Once you are shutdown you are shutdown. Now you can argue that it is easier to bounce back from being shutdown for a short period of time, say 6 weeks, vs 6 months and there may be some truth to that. The reason IMO most of us do not simple stay on all the time is health. Lipids look like ****e, some get BP issues, liver stress, hematocrit elevates and so on. So getting off and running a PCT to me is as much about health as it is about retaining gains.

We know ostarine is suppressive. Will it be suppressive to the same extent in the presence of a PCT protocol consisting of clomid, nolva and all the other HTPA jump starters we employ? Not sure anyone has figured that out. So we have to assume that there is some suppression with osta in a PCT. So we are left asking if the suppression is worth the maintenance of cycle gains? If you are someone who is looking to maintain and is counting the days to your next cycle using osta might be ok. The fact that your natural test production was not restored as high as it could have been is not such a huge deal if you plan on getting back on shortly. If you are not running anything soon and will be relying on your natural test for months or forever then I would leave the osta out. Eventually you would be going off it anyways so you might as well get your system recovered as much as possible.

Basically it boils down to the user. Some are willing to accept lower levels of endo test production with the trade off having the anabolic effects of osta. If maximizing endo test production is your goal I would leave it out personally.

As far as the health aspect of PCT the only way you can be sure that all your lipids and such have recovered after a PCT is to get the labs done. You cannot feel those lab markers the way you may be able to feel your test recovering. It would be nice to know that even if test is not coming back as high as it could with osta in PCT knowing that the other health markers we are looking to improve are returning to baseline.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Here are my thoughts on osta and PCT:

Most guys do not come off because of suppression they do it for health reasons. What I mean is after about two weeks you are suppressed and it is not really going to get worse. Once you are shutdown you are shutdown. Now you can argue that it is easier to bounce back from being shutdown for a short period of time, say 6 weeks, vs 6 months and there may be some truth to that. The reason IMO most of us do not simple stay on all the time is health. Lipids look like ****e, some get BP issues, liver stress, hematocrit elevates and so on. So getting off and running a PCT to me is as much about health as it is about retaining gains.

We know ostarine is suppressive. Will it be suppressive to the same extent in the presence of a PCT protocol consisting of clomid, nolva and all the other HTPA jump starters we employ? Not sure anyone has figured that out. So we have to assume that there is some suppression with osta in a PCT. So we are left asking if the suppression is worth the maintenance of cycle gains? If you are someone who is looking to maintain and is counting the days to your next cycle using osta might be ok. The fact that your natural test production was not restored as high as it could have been is not such a huge deal if you plan on getting back on shortly. If you are not running anything soon and will be relying on your natural test for months or forever then I would leave the osta out. Eventually you would be going off it anyways so you might as well get your system recovered as much as possible.

Basically it boils down to the user. Some are willing to accept lower levels of endo test production with the trade off having the anabolic effects of osta. If maximizing endo test production is your goal I would leave it out personally.

As far as the health aspect of PCT the only way you can be sure that all your lipids and such have recovered after a PCT is to get the labs done. You cannot feel those lab markers the way you may be able to feel your test recovering. It would be nice to know that even if test is not coming back as high as it could with osta in PCT knowing that the other health markers we are looking to improve are returning to baseline.
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Hear hear!

I'll throw this out anecdotally: I started this Ostarine bulk at faily lean levels (8% on the calipers -which translate to 9-10.5% dexa scan due to human error), but within 4 weeks at 30mg I began noticing extreme bloating and weird fat deposits around my midsection. Now, my diet has been high in energy, but low in fat (<40 grams every day, and <20 on depletion days). So it could be possible that in the presence of all the CHO consumption that every single ounce of fat consumed is being stored, it still could not account for this strange fat patterning. And then I found this:

Kathleen M. Gavin, Elizabeth E. Cooper, Dustin K. Raymer, and Robert C. Hickner. Estradiol Effects on Subcutaneous Adipose Tissue Lipolysis in Premenopausal Women are Adipose Tissue Depot Specific and Treatment Dependent. American Journal of Physiology: Endocrinology and Metabolism, 2013 DOI:
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In plain english (lifted from ScienceDaily)

Results
The researchers found that estrogen's effects differed tremendously depending on the fat- mobilizing interventions themselves and where the fat deposit was located. For example, estrogen blunted fat breakdown in the abdomen if it was infused while a particular fat-mobilization drug called isoproterenol was also being infused, but it didn't have this effect in the buttocks. When a second fat mobilizing drug was given along with the first while participants were at rest, fat breakdown didn't change any further. However, when both drugs were injected together during exercise or when the volunteers exercised without the drugs, fat breakdown increased in the abdomen, but less so in the buttocks
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So this means (at least for me) that Ostarine is incredibly estrogenic. Sure, I felt great the first ten days or so and I've been setting strength + volume PRs across the board, but this just goes to show how much we need estrogen to build muscle + joint and connective tissue and if anything this should go against the use of test-boosting supps for the sake "dem gainz."

With that said, the last few nights I've dosed 25mg of Exemestane around 9-10pm with 1 cap of fish oil and these fat patters are swelling down and the veins on my lower abdomen are beginning to reappear.

Also, exemestane is a type I steroidal AI which simply means that it does not crush estrogen completely like letro or adex and because it is a type 1 there is no chance of rebound.

Will this affect any anabolic potential? I don't know. There's really no way of telling since I dosed the AI in haste and out of vanity.

The only think to do would be to compare my results over week 3 + 4 to this week's 5 + 6.

Lastly, and I know I've said this, I will be dropping the AI in PCT and will re-introduce it at week 3 of PCT. Same dosage + protocol. There is no need to half or quarter exemestane since 25mg has been found to be the effective dose regardless of weight.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
So go low fats with osta? I have a bottle that is about full still.
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It's entirely dependent on goals, but treat it like a PH and do at least 40c/40p/20f. My current ratio is around 70c/25p/5f and I'm getting around 210-250 grams of protein/day. The rest are carbs.
 
Abe Lincoln said:
So go low fats with osta? I have a bottle that is about full still.
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I wouldn't worry about it as much if you're cutting.

Its not uncommon for people to have quite low fat intake on cycles, as you dont have to worry about low fat intake effecting your hormones.
 
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