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Need a good alternative to alcohol for partying and raving

So I have been experimenting with various psychoactive plants and OTC chemicals and the best by far is Kratom! Maeng Da and White Borneo is insane! I use 3-5 grams on a normal day and 8-10 grams on nights when I go out. Sometimes I like to stack them with a little caffeine and amp citrate and go wild. So far so good!!
 
I'm in. This is a pretty interesting discussion...
 
superbeast668 said:
Kratom and potion 9x are supposed to be legit. 9x is supposed to be like ghb from what I've heard. Mr Q started carrying it in his shop recently right?
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I forgot to answer you SB, YES sir! I love the Potion 9 ...works really well on an emty stomach. I don't drink so it's a great alternative.
 
Buffspartan said:
So I have been experimenting with various psychoactive plants and OTC chemicals and the best by far is Kratom! Maeng Da and White Borneo is insane! I use 3-5 grams on a normal day and 8-10 grams on nights when I go out. Sometimes I like to stack them with a little caffeine and amp citrate and go wild. So far so good!!
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Stacking with a powerful stim ROCKS!! I take the stim....let it kick in for approx 15 mins....then take some "Bali" kratom and presto...I'm ready to go!
 
So I was just reading that Kratom lowers testosterone, in some cases significantly. If this is true I am going to stop immediately and proceed to cry because it's essentially the only thing that get's me through my day. I feel completely hopeless now
 
Buffspartan said:
So I was just reading that Kratom lowers testosterone, in some cases significantly. If this is true I am going to stop immediately and proceed to cry because it's essentially the only thing that get's me through my day. I feel completely hopeless now
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Take test. Win/win
 
Buffspartan said:
So I was just reading that Kratom lowers testosterone, in some cases significantly. If this is true I am going to stop immediately and proceed to cry because it's essentially the only thing that get's me through my day. I feel completely hopeless now
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Opiates are also known to lower T Levels. If I remember correctly Kratom acts on the opioid receptor, no? Therefore, it very well could
 
:damnit::worried:
 
Well ****
 
Many things affect hormone levels, especially if it is something impacting neurotransmitters. Remember that there is no free ride and that everything is tied into one another.
 
Buffspartan said:
So I was just reading that Kratom lowers testosterone, in some cases significantly. If this is true I am going to stop immediately and proceed to cry because it's essentially the only thing that get's me through my day. I feel completely hopeless now
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It wont really lower testosterone levels with occasional use. It is the chronic use that can lower test levels, just like with opiods.
 
Well I have been using Kratom daily because it helps with my quality of life. But I guess it's back to the drawing board now :( How's Tianeptine?
 
I would think if you're using low doses it wouldn't have a huge impact. I use 2-3 times per week and don't notice any negative impacts.
 
how many grams does everyone take? just bought some maeng da and was wondering what's a good dose for when i go out to party
 
the only thing on that list I haven't tried is kratom and you forgot about kittyflipping ketamine + mdma
 
Swolljaboi said:
I think last time I got a sample of Maeng Da it was 1g per cap. Not 100% sure though.
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2 caps = 1 gram i found out. anyways im at work and took 4g and now feel like that little old lady who just wants to talk to any and everyone haha, best mood ever! good stuff thanks ugsupps;$
 
fame126 said:
2 caps = 1 gram i found out. anyways im at work and took 4g and now feel like that little old lady who just wants to talk to any and everyone haha, best mood ever! good stuff thanks ugsupps;$
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That's pretty funny! It does make you talkative doesn't it?!? Bali is my fav, but lately I've been using Super Indo mixed with White Vein and loving it. :)
 
chedapalooza said:
What's everyone's thoughts on marijuana.. If I could find a quality source? I am 26 I haven't smoked since I was 17 and it was usually garbage weed lol. But I just have chronic pain and inflammation I try to manage it naturally, without NSAID or rx use, and wondering if a little weed here n there would be helpful or just stupid... Would it hinder gains and performance too? U see all these NFL guys using it, and college athletes who are all in top shape.. Makes u wonder if used responsibly, could it help a chronic inflammation condition? Even if not smoked,.. Maybe vape or tea/protein brownies! Lol
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As long as you don't abuse it you will not have a problem. There has been people that suggest chronic marijuana use decreases your test levels after ingestion, whether true I am not sure. I worked out and smoked for over ten years and never had a problem making solid gains. Everyone is different though, so you need to know how it affects you. I highly suggest getting quality strains because ****ty weed makes you extremely tired and lethargic.
 
TheKing7 said:
As long as you don't abuse it you will not have a problem. There has actually been studies that suggest marijuana increases your test levels after ingestion. I worked out and smoked for over ten years. Everyone is different though, so you need to know how it affects you. I highly suggest getting quality strains because ****ty weed makes you extremely tired and lethargic.
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where are those studies?

Yet to see it
 
EBF Inc said:
where are those studies? Yet to see it
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I actually meant decreases, my bad. In my opinion, its a bunch of bs, because adequate research has not been done. When I smoked, I've never had any issues making gains. Most of all the research articles I have seen are fairly outdated. All I know is, when I was younger before I experimented with any PH's or anything like that I got a mild case of gynocomastia. Some people tried to tell me that smoking pot is what caused it because it supposedly decreases your t levels and increases estrogen. It's all a bunch of bs IMO.
 
TheKing7 said:
I actually meant decreases, my bad. In my opinion, its a bunch of bs, because adequate research has not been done. When I smoked, I've never had any issues making gains. Most of all the research articles I have seen are fairly outdated. All I know is, when I was younger before I experimented with any PH's or anything like that I got a mild case of gynocomastia. Some people tried to tell me that smoking pot is what caused it because it supposedly decreases your t levels and increases estrogen. It's all a bunch of bs IMO.
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physiological test levels in normal range are needed to build normal muscle

Smoking weed or not staying in tbat normal range you'll make "normal" gains

So hindering from smoking maybe not

More fat gain and aromatase possible

But to each his own man

Gains stayed because of the munchies ?
 
if only kratom wasnt illegal in indiana weeds to damn expensive here anything smokables at least $45 a 1/4 but if it keeps the suicidal thoughts at bay i guess its worth it.
 
Oscar said:
if only kratom wasnt illegal in indiana weeds to damn expensive here anything smokables at least $45 a 1/4 but if it keeps the suicidal thoughts at bay i guess its worth it.
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wait til its legalized like colorado, washington and soon to be oregon - prices will come down! (at least thats what we hope)
 
Miss Q said:
If anyone one is interested, All Kratom products are 20% for 3 day's only @ Invalid Link Removed
We offer powder, caps & resin! Thanks :)
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Miss q I am an experienced kratom user what benefits does the resin have over the leaf?
 
fame126 said:
got my package today:) fast shipping and great response guys! legit!
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Great! How did you like the resin?

McCrew530 said:
Miss q I am an experienced kratom user what benefits does the resin have over the leaf?
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The resin has a stronger alkaloid content which means the relaxation effect's hit quicker and last longer. Here is some info on how it's made: Invalid Link Removed
 
Miss Q said:
Great! How did you like the resin?

took 6 caps maeng and a good size chunk of resin. all swallowed with water no problem or bad taste and was relaxin!!!! did last a bit longer but mainly felt 5x more relaxed than maeng alone
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