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Stack advice/direction for "lean" bulk..

cjdesmit

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Hey all,

Looking for some direction as to what kind of stack to put together. A bit of background on myself.. I'm 27, 6'2 and a lean 190lbs. This is my first attempt at a legitimate "bulk". My current calorie intake is 3,750 (and yes I track them). I have slowly ramped them up over the past couple months in order to gauge where I need to be at. I will probably need to bump them up another 100 or so as my weight gain has been pretty minimal thus far; which is actually ok as I am wanting to stay relatively lean. I had surgery on my collar bone this past November so this year has been me pretty much playing catch up as I lost quite a bit of weight and strength from it.

In a haphazard effort to regain some of my strength back quicker, I did a 6 week cycle of 6-chloro-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol aka "Hexadrone" in the beginning of July. I had never taken a PH before so I was a bit hesitant and went with something non methly and relatively weak. I did see some decent strength/endurance gains but nothing crazy. Anyway, I followed up that 6 week run with a 4 week stack of PES EP and ABE. I just finished the EP at the end of August, however I am running a second bottle of ABE for another 4 weeks as I am really enjoying it.

I've decided to stay away from PH's, however I am interested in Ostarine. The major draw for me is the potential healing effects it claims to have. Other products I am interested in are DermaStrength and AlphaMax. I'd also like to stay away from strong AI's that "dry" you out or products like ARA that increase inflammation. Not sure where AlphaMax falls in, in regards to that? When I was on EP I felt like I was a 80 year old man. My joints were absolutely killing me (and still are), and that's with heavy doses of fish oil and cissus.. as well as my multi which is Orange Triad. It got to the point where it was/is really effecting my training so the negatives far outweigh the positives for me.

So, to get down to it.. should I wait 10 weeks before starting something like Ostarine (6wks of Hex and 4wks of EP = 10wks)? If so, how about adding in DermaStrength along with the ABE I am currently taking? Then perhaps add in Ostarine in a couple of months?

I am open to to other suggestions as well so feel free to offer them up. I'll also try and get some pics up so you all can see where I am at physically as well. Sorry for the long winded post!

Thanks!
 
good choice on the ABE, great product.

if you liked ABE, check out Myokem's Magnitropin if you wanna stay the natural route. users have seen great pumps, increased weight gain, increased libido and appetite. perfect for bulking and trying to stay lean as you'll have great insulin sensitivity (similar to ABE). and it's all natural, here's an unbiased log being run by priceplow if you wanna check it out:

some info about the product:

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if you got any q's lmk bud!
 
Alphamax its arguably one of the most complete testosterone boosters on the market!

It will boost both Free and Total testosterone, control estrogen, prolactin, and cortisol while possibly leaning you out with the combo of Arimistane and Forskolin 95. The amount of Arimistane used should not be rough on your joints. If you have some aches here and there, fish oil should take care of that Alphamax and ABE stack well together.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys.

Ant, as for the Alphamax.. would it be a poor decision to run it so close to running EP, as I just finished it at the end of August? I'd imagine I should wait a bit?
 
cjdesmit said:
Thanks for the feedback guys. Ant, as for the Alphamax.. would it be a poor decision to run it so close to running EP, as I just finished it at the end of August? I'd imagine I should wait a bit?
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new or old formula? How long did you run it? You could take a 4 week break. I love ABE and alphamax. Only $28.99 right now too
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cjdesmit said:
Thanks for the feedback guys.

Ant, as for the Alphamax.. would it be a poor decision to run it so close to running EP, as I just finished it at the end of August? I'd imagine I should wait a bit?
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I would wait 4-6 weeks from the completion of your cycle, then run your Alphamax/ABE stack
 
cjdesmit said:
Hey all,

Looking for some direction as to what kind of stack to put together. A bit of background on myself.. I'm 27, 6'2 and a lean 190lbs. This is my first attempt at a legitimate "bulk". My current calorie intake is 3,750 (and yes I track them). I have slowly ramped them up over the past couple months in order to gauge where I need to be at. I will probably need to bump them up another 100 or so as my weight gain has been pretty minimal thus far; which is actually ok as I am wanting to stay relatively lean. I had surgery on my collar bone this past November so this year has been me pretty much playing catch up as I lost quite a bit of weight and strength from it.

In a haphazard effort to regain some of my strength back quicker, I did a 6 week cycle of 6-chloro-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol aka "Hexadrone" in the beginning of July. I had never taken a PH before so I was a bit hesitant and went with something non methly and relatively weak. I did see some decent strength/endurance gains but nothing crazy. Anyway, I followed up that 6 week run with a 4 week stack of PES EP and ABE. I just finished the EP at the end of August, however I am running a second bottle of ABE for another 4 weeks as I am really enjoying it.

I've decided to stay away from PH's, however I am interested in Ostarine. The major draw for me is the potential healing effects it claims to have. Other products I am interested in are DermaStrength and AlphaMax. I'd also like to stay away from strong AI's that "dry" you out or products like ARA that increase inflammation. Not sure where AlphaMax falls in, in regards to that? When I was on EP I felt like I was a 80 year old man. My joints were absolutely killing me (and still are), and that's with heavy doses of fish oil and cissus.. as well as my multi which is Orange Triad. It got to the point where it was/is really effecting my training so the negatives far outweigh the positives for me.

So, to get down to it.. should I wait 10 weeks before starting something like Ostarine (6wks of Hex and 4wks of EP = 10wks)? If so, how about adding in DermaStrength along with the ABE I am currently taking? Then perhaps add in Ostarine in a couple of months?

I am open to to other suggestions as well so feel free to offer them up. I'll also try and get some pics up so you all can see where I am at physically as well. Sorry for the long winded post!

Thanks!
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I'd keep Osta at 10-15mg if you want to use an OTC pct like SUP3R PCT, and definitely use the DS / ABE as you're thinking. You could also think about using the Alphamax when coming off the Osta and saving it for then.
 
Afi140 said:
new or old formula? How long did you run it? You could take a 4 week break. I love ABE and alphamax. Only $28.99 right now too
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It was the new formula of Erase Pro and I ran it for 4 weeks.

Olympus Labs said:
I'd keep Osta at 10-15mg if you want to use an OTC pct like SUP3R PCT, and definitely use the DS / ABE as you're thinking. You could also think about using the Alphamax when coming off the Osta and saving it for then.
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Sounds good. So, I should wait a bit before starting the Osta since I just completed my pct of EP at the end of August from the Hex cycle? Also, if I was to run the Osta low as you suggested and went with an OTC pct, are you suggesting I run the AlphaMax along with my pct? I just don't want to be double dosing myself with AI's as I do not want the joint pain again.

Thanks again guys.
 
yeah. Id start DS/ABE now and introduce osta in a little later, and then use alphamax or sup3r pct
to come off.
 
If you want to stay away from products that dry you out, bear in mind that Alphamax contains Arimistane which has feedback suggesting it will dry you out and make your joints hurt in some people
 
Jiigzz said:
If you want to stay away from products that dry you out, bear in mind that Alphamax contains Arimistane which has feedback suggesting it will dry you out and make your joints hurt in some people
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Yeah, that was a concern of mine. Any idea how much it compares to Erase Pro in regards to that?
 
cjdesmit said:
Yeah, that was a concern of mine. Any idea how much it compares to Erase Pro in regards to that?
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Erase Pro doesn't contain Arimistane anymore. The new active is much easier on the joints.
 
kbayne said:
Erase Pro doesn't contain Arimistane anymore. The new active is much easier on the joints.
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If the new one is easier on the joints, I probably would've been crippled by the old EP! Maybe I just need to step up my joint supp game..
 
cjdesmit said:
If the new one is easier on the joints, I probably would've been crippled by the old EP! Maybe I just need to step up my joint supp game..
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It is strong. Some dosed it every other day and still had good results.

Cissus + fish oil seemed to help many as well.
 
kbayne said:
It is strong. Some dosed it every other day and still had good results.

Cissus + fish oil seemed to help many as well.
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I was dosing every other day.. and I take fish oil and cissus daily. Must just be really sensitive to that kind of stuff.
 
I have typically found Erase/Erase Pro (all versions) to not be terribly hard on joints - The same goes for Alphamax. You can always work the dosage up to see exactly how it affects you. I haven't heard many complaints about it dropping estrogen too far.
 
I have never had issue with Arimistane products either. Alphamax, OG Erase/Epro never bothered me. The only product that used to make me achy was Athletix Licogenix at 6 caps. Man I felt like old man on that stuff, but I loved it and miss it lol.
 
cjdesmit said:
Hey all,

Looking for some direction as to what kind of stack to put together. A bit of background on myself.. I'm 27, 6'2 and a lean 190lbs. This is my first attempt at a legitimate "bulk". My current calorie intake is 3,750 (and yes I track them). I have slowly ramped them up over the past couple months in order to gauge where I need to be at. I will probably need to bump them up another 100 or so as my weight gain has been pretty minimal thus far; which is actually ok as I am wanting to stay relatively lean. I had surgery on my collar bone this past November so this year has been me pretty much playing catch up as I lost quite a bit of weight and strength from it.

In a haphazard effort to regain some of my strength back quicker, I did a 6 week cycle of 6-chloro-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol aka "Hexadrone" in the beginning of July. I had never taken a PH before so I was a bit hesitant and went with something non methly and relatively weak. I did see some decent strength/endurance gains but nothing crazy. Anyway, I followed up that 6 week run with a 4 week stack of PES EP and ABE. I just finished the EP at the end of August, however I am running a second bottle of ABE for another 4 weeks as I am really enjoying it.

I've decided to stay away from PH's, however I am interested in Ostarine. The major draw for me is the potential healing effects it claims to have. Other products I am interested in are DermaStrength and AlphaMax. I'd also like to stay away from strong AI's that "dry" you out or products like ARA that increase inflammation. Not sure where AlphaMax falls in, in regards to that? When I was on EP I felt like I was a 80 year old man. My joints were absolutely killing me (and still are), and that's with heavy doses of fish oil and cissus.. as well as my multi which is Orange Triad. It got to the point where it was/is really effecting my training so the negatives far outweigh the positives for me.

So, to get down to it.. should I wait 10 weeks before starting something like Ostarine (6wks of Hex and 4wks of EP = 10wks)? If so, how about adding in DermaStrength along with the ABE I am currently taking? Then perhaps add in Ostarine in a couple of months?

I am open to to other suggestions as well so feel free to offer them up. I'll also try and get some pics up so you all can see where I am at physically as well. Sorry for the long winded post!

Thanks!
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I would continue with the ABE, and add in some CistaMax for 4 weeks
 
Alright guys.. here's what I am about to order. Keep in mind I am on my 5th week of ABE.

DermaStrength (2)
Endosurge Turbo (1)
AlphaMax (1)
Ostar1ine (2)
DAA (bulk @ 60 servings)

A few questions.. I plan on running the Derma along with the rest of my ABE. Should I stick with just 100mg or bump it up? Also not sure where I should fit in the Endo and DAA. I plan on running the Osta for 8wks and following it up with the AlphaMax. I'm thinking I run one now (Endo or DAA) along with the ABE and Derma and then one with the Alpha after the Osta cycle?

Anything I could add/substitute to make the run better, or anything I simply shouldn't bother getting?

Thanks.

EDIT: Just went to place my order and all the OL products shot back up in price on NutraPlanet! I knew I should have ordered last night! I may hold off on the Derma and Osta now..:damnit1:
 
cjdesmit said:
Alright guys.. here's what I am about to order. Keep in mind I am on my 5th week of ABE.

DermaStrength (2)
Endosurge Turbo (1)
AlphaMax (1)
Ostar1ine (2)
DAA (bulk @ 60 servings)

A few questions.. I plan on running the Derma along with the rest of my ABE. Should I stick with just 100mg or bump it up? Also not sure where I should fit in the Endo and DAA. I plan on running the Osta for 8wks and following it up with the AlphaMax. I'm thinking I run one now (Endo or DAA) along with the ABE and Derma and then one with the Alpha after the Osta cycle?

Anything I could add/substitute to make the run better, or anything I simply shouldn't bother getting?

Thanks.

EDIT: Just went to place my order and all the OL products shot back up in price on NutraPlanet! I knew I should have ordered last night! I may hold off on the Derma and Osta now..:damnit1:
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Even at map they're still extremely competitive prices.
 
cjdesmit said:
Hey all,

Looking for some direction as to what kind of stack to put together. A bit of background on myself.. I'm 27, 6'2 and a lean 190lbs. This is my first attempt at a legitimate "bulk". My current calorie intake is 3,750 (and yes I track them). I have slowly ramped them up over the past couple months in order to gauge where I need to be at. I will probably need to bump them up another 100 or so as my weight gain has been pretty minimal thus far; which is actually ok as I am wanting to stay relatively lean. I had surgery on my collar bone this past November so this year has been me pretty much playing catch up as I lost quite a bit of weight and strength from it.

In a haphazard effort to regain some of my strength back quicker, I did a 6 week cycle of 6-chloro-androst-4-ene-3-one-17b-ol aka "Hexadrone" in the beginning of July. I had never taken a PH before so I was a bit hesitant and went with something non methly and relatively weak. I did see some decent strength/endurance gains but nothing crazy. Anyway, I followed up that 6 week run with a 4 week stack of PES EP and ABE. I just finished the EP at the end of August, however I am running a second bottle of ABE for another 4 weeks as I am really enjoying it.

I've decided to stay away from PH's, however I am interested in Ostarine. The major draw for me is the potential healing effects it claims to have. Other products I am interested in are DermaStrength and AlphaMax. I'd also like to stay away from strong AI's that "dry" you out or products like ARA that increase inflammation. Not sure where AlphaMax falls in, in regards to that? When I was on EP I felt like I was a 80 year old man. My joints were absolutely killing me (and still are), and that's with heavy doses of fish oil and cissus.. as well as my multi which is Orange Triad. It got to the point where it was/is really effecting my training so the negatives far outweigh the positives for me.

So, to get down to it.. should I wait 10 weeks before starting something like Ostarine (6wks of Hex and 4wks of EP = 10wks)? If so, how about adding in DermaStrength along with the ABE I am currently taking? Then perhaps add in Ostarine in a couple of months?

I am open to to other suggestions as well so feel free to offer them up. I'll also try and get some pics up so you all can see where I am at physically as well. Sorry for the long winded post!

Thanks!
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Okay my opinion would be ditch the ostraine and get some mk677 (for oral) or cjc+dac. Believe it or not they work. Connective tissue gains!
 
pyrobatt said:
Okay my opinion would be ditch the ostraine and get some mk677 (for oral) or cjc+dac. Believe it or not they work. Connective tissue gains!
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Although if you are going with ostraine olympus labs is the WAY TO GO! Iml osta rx is legit as well. I believe I have a log on here !
 
Olympus Labs said:
Even at map they're still extremely competitive prices.
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Not saying the prices aren't reasonable but seeing my "shopping cart total" jump up 50 dollars was a bit disheartening. I may just cut out the Derma and get the Osta. Is it best to run the Osta solo or would stacking it with something like Endosurge or DAA be beneficial?
 
cjdesmit said:
Not saying the prices aren't reasonable but seeing my "shopping cart total" jump up 50 dollars was a bit disheartening. I may just cut out the Derma and get the Osta. Is it best to run the Osta solo or would stacking it with something like Endosurge or DAA be beneficial?
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IMO I'd opt for the OSTARINE my man. Reason being it sounds like you might be dealing with some issues from low estrogen (inflammation). Ostarine does have the potential to increase estrogen which could be beneficial to help alleviate some of what you're dealing with while furthering your goals.

Also, the DS may be helpful with anti-inflammatory properties etc. In addition, epicatechin in EP1C, Follidrone and an Evomuse product has anti-inflammatory properties as well. Haha so there are a few options :) Maybe price will dictate your choice.

Just a few thoughts. Good luck. If you have any further Q's post em up
 
Spaniard said:
IMO I'd opt for the OSTARINE my man. Reason being it sounds like you might be dealing with some issues from low estrogen (inflammation). Ostarine does have the potential to increase estrogen which could be beneficial to help alleviate some of what you're dealing with while furthering your goals.

Also, the DS may be helpful with anti-inflammatory properties etc. In addition, epicatechin in EP1C, Follidrone and an Evomuse product has anti-inflammatory properties as well. Haha so there are a few options :) Maybe price will dictate your choice.

Just a few thoughts. Good luck. If you have any further Q's post em up
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I think you may be correct in thinking I have naturally low E. From what it sounds like, I was abnormally sensitive to Erase Pro. The anti inflammatory props that come along with DermaStrength is what initially drew me to the product. With that said, now that the sale is up over at Nutraplanet I can't swing 2 bottles of it right now so that will have to wait. If money was not a concern I would love to just go crazy and jump on Derma, Ep1c, ect. however that is not the case. I can't live off supps unfortunately, still have to buy groceries!:wink1:

So.. should I run the Ostar1ine solo or stack it with something?
 
pyrobatt said:
Although if you are going with ostraine olympus labs is the WAY TO GO! Iml osta rx is legit as well. I believe I have a log on here !
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Why do you keep on suggesting peptides in the supplement forum?
 
Jiigzz said:
Why do you keep on suggesting peptides in the supplement forum?
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It was already being discussed and Ostarine is not a peptide ...it is a SARM.
 
Thanks for the EndoSurge Turbo love, my man! It really helps me with sleep and recovery, and is a great addition in PCT.

Let us know how it treats you :)

I can also say that Ostar1ne is legit, even though a thread talking about this should be in Anabolics.
 
Misfit28 said:
Thanks for the EndoSurge Turbo love, my man! It really helps me with sleep and recovery, and is a great addition in PCT.

Let us know how it treats you :)

I can also say that Ostar1ne is legit, even though a thread talking about this should be in Anabolics.
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I actually decided to hold off on the Endosurge for now, however I will most likely grab some come time for PCT after the Osta. And yeah.. my bad about talking about a SARM in the supp forum! I however was just looking for opinions on a solid lean bulk stack.. and Osta was just something that I had been considering.

With that said.. I went ahead and put my order in over at Nutriverse. I was out of a few basics as well so I stocked up.

Ostar1ne (1)
AlphaMax (2)
Gut Health (1)
OL Conqu3r (1) This will be my first time trying it so I am looking forward to seeing how I like it..
OT + Greens (1)
Bulk DAA powder

Also finally uploaded a couple pics from my phone. Not planning to really log anything however I'll try and get some before and after pics at least.

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cjdesmit said:
Yeah, first time using it as well. Hoping it really helps my "gut" out! Eating close to 4k calories a day is killing me.. and the toilet.
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I've notice less bloating and food seems to pass through my stomach better. Once you get past the initial "loading" it is VERY cost effective.
 
Didn't plan on logging it. I'll definitely post up how I'm liking everything though, as well as maybe some before and after pics.

Also, quick question regarding DAA. I've taken a few sample packs of D-POL randomly but never stayed on DAA for any length of time. What's the deal with this stuff. Should I just save it for after my Osta run and stack it with the AlphaMax.. or run it along with the Osta.. or both? From what I have read, most people seem to be running Osta solo.
 
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