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Puffy nipples on Epi?

Peppers said:
Back to the drawing board my friend.
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Not sure who that comment was directed at or what it implies, but this is off of TunedSports.com: "Those being tested for elevated testosterone levels and or lowered estrogen levels will produce a positive test result while on H-Drol". This is off of Steroids.com: "For bodybuilding/athletic purposes Halodrol increases testosterone levels which induce substantial increases in bodily shape and size, largely due to its ability to increase your number of muscle fibers. These benefits alone make Halodrol a formidable androgen, but it also encompasses other traditional steroid properties like: increased red blood cell (RBC) production; improved endurance during exercise via better lactic acid clearing; enhanced oxygen and nutrient delivery to working muscles for greater endurance; better muscle glycogen restoration after exercise for faster recovery and; the inhibition of catabolism (muscle destruction)." I just want to be clear for others reading these threads to ensure the info is correct.
 
hewhoisripped said:
Your test will be 0 unless your natty or on test
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Not on test, just running halodrol solo. Again, I can't find any research on any of the websites (tunedsports, prohormonedb, steroid, etc.) that claims halo shuts your test levels down. It doesn't make sense to me that it would.
 
dbrock504 said:
Not on test, just running halodrol solo. Again, I can't find any research on any of the websites (tunedsports, prohormonedb, steroid, etc.) that claims halo shuts your test levels down. It doesn't make sense to me that it would.
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.............. What
 
dbrock504 said:
Not on test, just running halodrol solo. Again, I can't find any research on any of the websites (tunedsports, prohormonedb, steroid, etc.) that claims halo shuts your test levels down. It doesn't make sense to me that it would.
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You are adding in hormones that replace your natural production. It will shut you down hence the need for PCT. I would do a little more research and read a few more logs to get a better idea on what to expect.
 
dbrock504 said:
Not sure who that comment was directed at or what it implies, but this is off of TunedSports.com: "Those being tested for elevated testosterone levels and or lowered estrogen levels will produce a positive test result while on H-Drol". This is off of Steroids.com: "For bodybuilding/athletic purposes Halodrol increases testosterone levels which induce substantial increases in bodily shape and size, largely due to its ability to increase your number of muscle fibers. These benefits alone make Halodrol a formidable androgen, but it also encompasses other traditional steroid properties like: increased red blood cell (RBC) production; improved endurance during exercise via better lactic acid clearing; enhanced oxygen and nutrient delivery to working muscles for greater endurance; better muscle glycogen restoration after exercise for faster recovery and; the inhibition of catabolism (muscle destruction)." I just want to be clear for others reading these threads to ensure the info is correct.
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Nope, it's mostly wrong.
 
dbrock504 said:
Not on test, just running halodrol solo. Again, I can't find any research on any of the websites (tunedsports, prohormonedb, steroid, etc.) that claims halo shuts your test levels down. It doesn't make sense to me that it would.
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Haha oh boy
 
I feel as if there has been a misunderstanding. I am taking halo by itself with on cycle support, I preloaded, and I do have proper PCT & SERM lined up. I feel as if I have done enough research on the specific compound I am taking on websites I was specifically told by a few of the "qualified" AM guys to read such as tunedsports, prohormonedb and a couple others. As I quoted above, each of those "legitimate" sites claim elevated test levels while on cycle. You fellas claim that you have 0 test while on halo. I try to read more "legitimate" websites explaining the compound and its effects and not so much forums and opinions when it comes to compounds and their effects. Please point me in a direction of "valid" information considering what I am reading is incorrect.
 
jbryand101b said:
Da fuq?
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That's what my facial expression was lol

When you go on halo, why do you think you get tired and lethargic, sometimes you lose your sex drive.... Why do you think every promotes a test base whole using most orals ......

Dude you need to read until your eyes start bleeding, before you touch hormones. Understanding some organic chem and bonding isn't a bad thing either.
 
dbrock504 said:
I feel as if there has been a misunderstanding. I am taking halo by itself with on cycle support, I preloaded, and I do have proper PCT & SERM lined up. I feel as if I have done enough research on the specific compound I am taking on websites I was specifically told by a few of the "qualified" AM guys to read such as tunedsports, prohormonedb and a couple others. As I quoted above, each of those "legitimate" sites claim elevated test levels while on cycle. You fellas claim that you have 0 test while on halo. I try to read more "legitimate" websites explaining the compound and its effects and not so much forums and opinions when it comes to compounds and their effects. Please point me in a direction of "valid" information considering what I am reading is incorrect.
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Doing "enough" and doing proper are two very different things.
 
LiveToLift said:
Doing "enough" and doing proper are two very different things.
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I completely agree. Again, I was pointed to some websites for clarification on these substances and their effects before I started anything. I read for 4 weeks avg 4 hr/day on different websites trying to gather the most info I could. I was advised and explained to do certain things here on AM which I appreciate and used some of the advice when buying certain supps. Again, if you have some great stuff I can read, PM me. I would love to read it.
 
dbrock504 said:
I feel as if there has been a misunderstanding. I am taking halo by itself with on cycle support, I preloaded, and I do have proper PCT & SERM lined up. I feel as if I have done enough research on the specific compound I am taking on websites I was specifically told by a few of the "qualified" AM guys to read such as tunedsports, prohormonedb and a couple others. As I quoted above, each of those "legitimate" sites claim elevated test levels while on cycle. You fellas claim that you have 0 test while on halo. I try to read more "legitimate" websites explaining the compound and its effects and not so much forums and opinions when it comes to compounds and their effects. Please point me in a direction of "valid" information considering what I am reading is incorrect.
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You must not of read anything I said, because I would never recommend those sites.
Only dumbass that don't know sh1t would.

Want valid direction, read my post, and where I get my info from.
 
dbrock504 said:
I completely agree. Again, I was pointed to some websites for clarification on these substances and their effects before I started anything. I read for 4 weeks avg 4 hr/day on different websites trying to gather the most info I could. I was advised and explained to do certain things here on AM which I appreciate and used some of the advice when buying certain supps. Again, if you have some great stuff I can read, PM me. I would love to read it.
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I never got a pm from you.
I give props to the guys who pick my brain, even though I find it annoying, I still respond.
 
Halo, just like any other PH/roid, will shut your testosterone levels down! And dont take Tuned in Sports word for word. Most of it is crap.
And it wont shut your testosterone production down to 0, persay, but it will be suppressed...hence why you need something to bring your test back up during PCT. Tell ya what, about week 3, go to the doctor and get Testosterone levels checked. At your age, you should be aroun600-750 somewhere around there...ill bet you around 100, at best.
 
jbryand101b said:
You must not of read anything I said, because I would never recommend those sites.
Only dumbass that don't know sh1t would.

Want valid direction, read my post, and where I get my info from.
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What post where? All you said to me was "Dafuq?" and "nope it's mostly wrong". I never said you were the one to refer me to those websites, so calm down with the insults there boss. I'm just trying to learn here.

jbryand101b said:
I never got a pm from you.
I give props to the guys who pick my brain, even though I find it annoying, I still respond.
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I didn't say I was going to PM you and I never had the intention to "pick your brain". You ok brah?

hewhoisripped said:
Good sites? Pubmed... Or at least something written by someone with a degree and some cited references.
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Thanks man. I will give that site a check. And yes, I've been trying to find places that is written with much more validity. Obviously it's much easier said than done considering the millions of domains that claim they know everything. Again, thanks for the reference.
 
jbryand101b said:
What post where?

It's in the post history. A whole slew of information.
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You expect me to sift through your post history to see where you "provide valid direction"? I appreciate your insight and knowledge, but you're a little out of touch with reality pal. I have a life, you know? You could just answer my question when I ask for good places to get properly informed on these compounds and substances.
 
dbrock504 said:
You expect me to sift through your post history to see where you "provide valid direction"? I appreciate your insight and knowledge, but you're a little out of touch with reality pal. I have a life, you know? You could just answer my question when I ask for good places to get properly informed on these compounds and substances.
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Lulz
 
So, this thread in a nutshell.

-some kid who looks like he's 12 and has lifted for 4 months comes in says hdrol raises test
-veteran and oral abuser/user/sn00zer jbry tries to school him
-young lad doesn't listen and reads a bunch of "studies " with no exp.
-thus thinking he knows all the answers
-now no one winZzZzZz in this huge meaningless argument.
 
EatMoar said:
So, this thread in a nutshell.

-some kid who looks like he's 12 and has lifted for 4 months comes in says hdrol raises test
-veteran and oral abuser/user/sn00zer jbry tries to school him
-young lad doesn't listen and reads a bunch of "studies " with no exp.
-thus thinking he knows all the answers
-now no one winZzZzZz in this huge meaningless argument.
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It seems like your reading skills are lacking. As I read through this thread earlier, I asked someone if they were sure about their statement as what I had read in two different "legit" places claimed that halodrol increases test and thus someone who takes a PED drugs test would fail. In response, all I got were a bunch of douche answers such as your self. I never claimed to know the answer. In fact, I asked for someone to point me to a legit website where I could do more reading for myself and only 1 person answered me. I didn't listen? What was there to listen to? Not one single person proved anything or pointed me in a direction that shows anything. All y'all did was talk crap. And by the way, Billy Johnson, you don't exactly impress me either. You're more advanced than I am, no argument there. However you aren't exactly at a point where I would start talking sh*t. You competed in the lightweight class. Your stats on AM say 5'8 193 but you say you are 5'5 on IG and you competed at 150 1 week ago. It's easy to talk crap behind a computer isn't it? Regardless, take care.
 
dbrock504 said:
It seems like your reading skills are lacking. As I read through this thread earlier, I asked someone if they were sure about their statement as what I had read in two different "legit" places claimed that halodrol increases test and thus someone who takes a PED drugs test would fail. In response, all I got were a bunch of douche answers such as your self. I never claimed to know the answer. In fact, I asked for someone to point me to a legit website where I could do more reading for myself and only 1 person answered me. I didn't listen? What was there to listen to? Not one single person proved anything or pointed me in a direction that shows anything. All y'all did was talk crap. And by the way, Billy Johnson, you don't exactly impress me either. You're more advanced than I am, no argument there. However you aren't exactly at a point where I would start talking sh*t. You competed in the lightweight class. Your stats on AM say 5'8 193 but you say you are 5'5 on IG and you competed at 150 1 week ago. It's easy to talk crap behind a computer isn't it? Regardless, take care.
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IG? Interracial Grapeparade? Interesantè
 
EatMoar said:
IG? Interracial Grapeparade? Interesantè
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McCrew530: I can't message you back it says you have a max inbox. Thanks for the connections however I read tuned sports and that says halo raises test and that's what started this sh*t storm. I will give that stuff a read. Thanks again.
 
You'll give pubmed "a check"? If you aren't already very familiar with that website then you may have started your cycle very prematurely. It was a good start to come on here and ask for advice, websites, etc...but you are literally chemically altering the physiology of your body. Possibly, if done incorrectly, altering it in less than enjoyable way permanently. You seem to be getting angry at people on here but a lot of them are veterans who have spent countless months if not longer trying to figure out this stuff and you are annoyed because it wasn't spoonfed to you. You might want to taper off the cycle, start pct and get some bloods drawn. And over the next few months/years, become the expert on the topic before you use your body as a lab based off of some Internet sites' recommendations.
 
dbrock504 said:
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McCrew530: I can't message you back it says you have a max inbox. Thanks for the connections however I read tuned sports and that says halo raises test and that's what started this sh*t storm. I will give that stuff a read. Thanks again.
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It will show an elivated level of test on a drug test that is specifically targeting that kind of thing, but it does not actually elevate your personal production levels.
 
todd muelheim said:
You'll give pubmed "a check"? If you aren't already very familiar with that website then you may have started your cycle very prematurely. It was a good start to come on here and ask for advice, websites, etc...but you are literally chemically altering the physiology of your body. Possibly, if done incorrectly, altering it in less than enjoyable way permanently. You seem to be getting angry at people on here but a lot of them are veterans who have spent countless months if not longer trying to figure out this stuff and you are annoyed because it wasn't spoonfed to you. You might want to taper off the cycle, start pct and get some bloods drawn. And over the next few months/years, become the expert on the topic before you use your body as a lab based off of some Internet sites' recommendations.
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Lol dude it was a figure of speech. I am not angry by any means. Thanks for the input but I think I'm ok with this specific compound. I understand what you are saying though and I appreciate it you opinion.
 
todd muelheim said:
You'll give pubmed "a check"? If you aren't already very familiar with that website then you may have started your cycle very prematurely. It was a good start to come on here and ask for advice, websites, etc...but you are literally chemically altering the physiology of your body. Possibly, if done incorrectly, altering it in less than enjoyable way permanently. You seem to be getting angry at people on here but a lot of them are veterans who have spent countless months if not longer trying to figure out this stuff and you are annoyed because it wasn't spoonfed to you. You might want to taper off the cycle, start pct and get some bloods drawn. And over the next few months/years, become the expert on the topic before you use your body as a lab based off of some Internet sites' recommendations.
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Yes. I spent 2 years researching hours EVERY night before I ever ran a cycle.
 
hey so did we ever solve the op's gyno issue? i find it strange its from epistane. isn't ibe's epistane claim to fame that it lowers estro and reverses gyno?

straight from its description
"Because of its long lasting and strong effects on specific tissue, Epistane can significantly reduce and reverse the effects of gynocomastia because not only does Epistane specifically block estrogen in breast tissue but it induces an estrogen-depleted condition which leads to apoptosis or the death of the breast tissue cells."
 
I have nolva and sup3r pct for my PCT. I have epi from from oly labs. Should i get some formeron for on cycle or grab another bottle of sup3r pct? And hypothetically speaking what would i dose it out as?
 
Yo Bud, How are the nips? What did you end up doing? Still have a lump? Run anything tren based previously, any Nor-testosterone stuff? Because then it might not be estrogen related....

Directed to the original poster....
 
motiv8er said:
Yo Bud, How are the nips? What did you end up doing? Still have a lump? Run anything tren based previously, any Nor-testosterone stuff? Because then it might not be estrogen related....

Directed to the original poster....
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ya this thread got way off track and i didnt care to wade thru the BS. But thats what Im saying, epi is supposed to reverse gyno. esp IBE's epistane. Had to be related to something else

IMO he should list up every single compound or herb hes taking. it would be funny to find out hes been taking loads of OTC DHEA haha
 
purpleganj said:
But thats what Im saying, epi is supposed to reverse gyno. esp IBE's epistane. Had to be related to something else
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That stuff about Epi and gyno reversal is marketing. It's a steroid, and any steroid can give you gyno. You're playing games with your sex hormones, after all. And Epi is Epi; doesn't matter whether it's IBE or not. In fact, I'd probably trust LGI Epi more than IBE.
 
chris223 said:
That stuff about Epi and gyno reversal is marketing. It's a steroid, and any steroid can give you gyno. You're playing games with your sex hormones, after all. And Epi is Epi; doesn't matter whether it's IBE or not. In fact, I'd probably trust LGI Epi more than IBE.
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I get what youre saying about the marketing gimmick. But to say ANY and ALL steroids can give you gyno is a major stretch. What about Primobolan, what about Masteron?
 
purpleganj said:
I get what youre saying about the marketing gimmick. But to say ANY and ALL steroids can give you gyno is a major stretch. What about Primobolan, what about Masteron?
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When hpta tries to reboot your natty hormones.....your levels are out of whack. Masteron May reduce some gyno.....but when you stop using it or any hormone god only knows what can happen. ....titty whey protein.
 
chris223 said:
That stuff about Epi and gyno reversal is marketing. It's a steroid, and any steroid can give you gyno. You're playing games with your sex hormones, after all. And Epi is Epi; doesn't matter whether it's IBE or not. In fact, I'd probably trust LGI Epi more than IBE.
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Definitely would trust LGI over IBE. Would trust Olympus Labs over all of them though! ;)
permabulk said:
I remember reading IBE epistane had tren powder in it
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Yes, I think I ended up with a "bad batch" when I used it way back in the day and ended up stopping the cycle early due to intense sides... Shortly thereafter i read they had a bad / dirty batch that causes a lot of people some intense sides. I haven't even looked at them since. I though they went the way of the DODO a while back then the Boladrol thing came up and that didn't do well hadn't heard anything else about them.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Definitely would trust LGI over IBE. Would trust Olympus Labs over all of them though! ;)


Yes, I think I ended up with a "bad batch" when I used it way back in the day and ended up stopping the cycle early due to intense sides... Shortly thereafter i read they had a bad / dirty batch that causes a lot of people some intense sides. I haven't even looked at them since. I though they went the way of the DODO a while back then the Boladrol thing came up and that didn't do well hadn't heard anything else about them.
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I'm not sure what happened with the Epi, but IBE is no more. It was replaced by Celtic Labs. All raws are third party tested so you should have no issues whatsoever with their Epi.
 
supermanjow said:
I'm not sure what happened with the Epi, but IBE is no more. It was replaced by Celtic Labs. All raws are third party tested so you should have no issues whatsoever with their Epi.
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Okay that is what I thought. I didn't realize that is where Celtic Labs came from though. Small world isn't it.
 
motiv8er said:
When hpta tries to reboot your natty hormones.....your levels are out of whack. Masteron May reduce some gyno.....but when you stop using it or any hormone god only knows what can happen. ....titty whey protein.
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Well not in the case of a cycle using only mast or primo (even tho you should never run any cycle without some sort of test)

Mast and Primo dont aromatize nor do they increase or effect prolactin. At any rate, thats why an AI is continued throughout PCT to combat estro rebound (when cycling with compounds that aromatize,,,,which should be all of them TEST TEST TEST)

And i guess you could say anything is possible during PCT. but i fail to see how your "natural" test lvls recovering would cause gyno due to too much estro, when it doesnt before you even start your cycle. Estro only increases when there is an abundance of test aromatizing, so if your lvl of test is "natural" your body is already accustom to that lvl. See what im saying????

At any rate im starting to feel like im banging my head on the wall and most def am hijacking OPs thread. So ima bow out
 
motiv8er said:
When hpta tries to reboot your natty hormones.....your levels are out of whack. Masteron May reduce some gyno.....but when you stop using it or any hormone god only knows what can happen. ....titty whey protein.
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PS- I wasnt saying mast reduces gyno. I was saying Mast doesnt aromatize. However it does act as a mild AI. Dont run tren without mast if you dont want milky tits lol
 
purpleganj said:
PS- I wasnt saying mast reduces gyno. I was saying Mast doesnt aromatize. However it does act as a mild AI. Dont run tren without mast if you dont want milky tits lol
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Milky tits comes from prolactin which an AI/AI like compound won't directly effect. Indirectly, reducing estrogen can have a positive effect on prolactin levels, BUT when they start to really get out of hand you need something that inhibits prolactin directly like cabergoline or prami.
 
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