FORMERON FAQ

[justeat]

To get 1 pump do you press down to the first stop or first and then second stop?

i just push it down from top to bottom slowly...I decided I'm buying a dropper today and seeing exactly how much comes out at a full pump, pumped fast and slow. Also going to mark off on the bottle where a half pump truly is, based on how much comes out- not whats "halfway down" on the actual pump.I'll post my findings to this highly scientific endeavor

 

[cainb96]

Is 4 pumps a day worth it if I've taken super drol a couple of time.

 

[brundel]

Is 4 pumps a day worth it if I've taken super drol a couple of time.

Yes but its not as strong as superdrol.

 

[brundel]

i just push it down from top to bottom slowly...I decided I'm buying a dropper today and seeing exactly how much comes out at a full pump, pumped fast and slow. Also going to mark off on the bottle where a half pump truly is, based on how much comes out- not whats "halfway down" on the actual pump.I'll post my findings to this highly scientific endeavor

Ive measured dozens of times.
1 pump = 1.5ml exactly.
Trying to half pump will likely be inconsistent.

 

[justeat]

Ive measured dozens of times. 1 pump = 1.5ml exactly. Trying to half pump will likely be inconsistent.

Ok good to know. I agree- eyeballing a half pump just doesn't sound exact. I may just use the dropper to measure it out. You think some/too much of the formeron will stay in the dropper as residue? I don't wanna waste it

 

[brundel]

Ok good to know. I agree- eyeballing a half pump just doesn't sound exact. I may just use the dropper to measure it out. You think some/too much of the formeron will stay in the dropper as residue? I don't wanna waste it

Some will certainly accumulate over time.
Unsure how much.

 

[neothecat]

I've been off formeron for a little bit. Thinking about cycling back onto it. Would my free T be considered low?


TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 348-1197ng/DL 800
TESTOSTERONE, FREE 4.00 - 27.00 pg/mL 9.78
TESTOSTERONE, % FREE 1.79

 

[brundel]

I've been off formeron for a little bit. Thinking about cycling back onto it. Would my free T be considered low?


TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 348-1197ng/DL 800
TESTOSTERONE, FREE 4.00 - 27.00 pg/mL 9.78
TESTOSTERONE, % FREE 1.79

Low end of normal yes.
Formeron and Viron will crank this way up. Viron is specifically designed to elevate Free T.

 

[furzafreak]

can i use formeron for my pct alongside nolva?or would it be surppressive?im thinking of adding it 2 weeks after my first dose of nolva at one pump...
can formeron cause hairloss..?cause i had to stop my cycle due to lot of hairloss...

 

[Joshlm69]

Rubbing this in on inside of thighs is much harder than expected with forearms, I got some weird looks in the gym changing rooms, haha

 

[Piston Honda]

Rubbing this in on inside of thighs is much harder than expected with forearms, I got some weird looks in the gym changing rooms, haha

Get some gloves

 

[cainb96]

Any updates on when more will be in stock? I'm down to 1 pump a day trying to conserve till I can get more.

 

[muree]

Hey Brundel..

I started using formeron 3 days ago and my libido just tanked.. absolutely no wood at all .. any idea what maybe causing this?? I dont take any other supp except fish oil. I experienced the same libido tanking when I started taking triazole a few months ago.

 

[Fleepin]

Any updates on when more will be in stock? I'm down to 1 pump a day trying to conserve till I can get more.

in stock at TGB

 

[brundel]

Hey Brundel..

I started using formeron 3 days ago and my libido just tanked.. absolutely no wood at all .. any idea what maybe causing this?? I dont take any other supp except fish oil. I experienced the same libido tanking when I started taking triazole a few months ago.

My guess is your sensitive to ai's.
Estro is probably dropping too low .
Try to half the dose. Like every other day use.

 

[muree]

ok thanks Brundel.. will try 1 pump every other day and report back with the results.

 

[aovereem]

ok thanks Brundel.. will try 1 pump every other day and report back with the results.

Please do. I'm having the same problem, doing 200mg cyp a week and killed libido with 1 pump a day

 

[Joshlm69]

Ive used 4 pumps a day for the last few days and libido hasnt risen, must be dosing too high. Might experiment with 1 pump and see what happens

 

[GreenMachineX]

Ive used 4 pumps a day for the last few days and libido hasnt risen, must be dosing too high. Might experiment with 1 pump and see what happens

Do you mean your libido hasn't improved or declined?

 

[Joshlm69]

Do you mean your libido hasn't improved or declined?

Penal size flaccid is definitely smaller, balls are tighter too. Going to drop it to 1 pump a day. Libido definitely hasn't improved

 

[Joshlm69]

I can imagine this is because I've suppressed the estrogen too much. There is obviously a special place between 1-4 pumps, or even every other day, which lowers estrogen but also raises libido

 

[justeat]

Taking in 75mg trest was giving me crazy estro problems. I bounced around with formeron dosing quite a bit and settled at 1.5 pumps a day. The stuff def works well. IMO, go low for at least a few days to see how it works

 

[muree]

Penal size flaccid is definitely smaller, balls are tighter too. Going to drop it to 1 pump a day. Libido definitely hasn't improved

This... the same experience I'm going through along with no interest in sex at all with 1 pump a day.. usually am a horn dog all day
starting today will change it to 1 pump form every other day.. sucks form is not working for me

 

[brundel]

This... the same experience I'm going through along with no interest in sex at all with 1 pump a day.. usually am a horn dog all day
starting today will change it to 1 pump form every other day.. sucks form is not working for me

It means its working abnormally well for you.
Libido thats normally high that drops when using an AI means your estrogen is too low. This means the Formeron, at 1 pump, tanked your estro levels.

Since its an AI this is good not bad. Sucks for your libido but it for sure doesnt mean its not working for you.

Keep in mind its not a libido supplement.
Its primary purpose is to manage high estrogen. If your estrogen is normal or low normal an AI can cause libido problems.

Youll still get the elevated test levels and PH conversion but for many when estro is very low there are side effects like low libido.

 

[muree]

my bad brundel.. you are right that its causing libido issues for me. but as for drying out I can see some minor changes already in the chest area (its been just 5 days so far) even though my diet has a good amount of carbs

Also have viron with me and will be starting to add viron from next week. hopefully that'll bring back my ole horn dog self

 

[brundel]

my bad brundel.. you are right that its causing libido issues for me. but as for drying out I can see some minor changes already in the chest area (its been just 5 days so far) even though my diet has a good amount of carbs

Also have viron with me and will be starting to add viron from next week. hopefully that'll bring back my ole horn dog self

Hopefully the Viron cranks things up enough to compensate.

I remember I ran a supp about 7 years ago. OTC, one of the first big PH's. It was a combo of things in one pill but it had a high dose of an AI plus a couple PHs.....My joints hurt so bad I could hardly train....
Libido died completely.
Depressed....


I looked so FN good though I just pressed on.......was worth it lol.
Just splintered.....so dry I was probably a fire hazard.

 

[muree]

lol.. am in the same spot now.. I look pretty good with enough definition and muscle mass but a totally limp dick.. haha.. feels totally inverted. if this continues with even 1 pump every other day, should I stop using form (or) do I need to space it out even longer?

 

[brundel]

I think the Viron should help some.
Try it first.
Worst case space it out more.

 

[Joshlm69]

Hopefully the Viron cranks things up enough to compensate.

I remember I ran a supp about 7 years ago. OTC, one of the first big PH's. It was a combo of things in one pill but it had a high dose of an AI plus a couple PHs.....My joints hurt so bad I could hardly train....
Libido died completely.
Depressed....


I looked so FN good though I just pressed on.......was worth it lol.
Just splintered.....so dry I was probably a fire hazard.

how long did it take for yours to naturally reboot, libido that is

 

[Peppers]

Brundel, I got a question, may be dumb, not sure.

Let's say your using Formeron, it lowers estrogen so in return Test levels will increase.

Let's say you add Viron to the party to further increase Test levels. I would assume that your Test levels will only rise so much and then you would start creating more and more estrogen. Which wouldn't be a problem considering your using Formeron.

But my question is this, would it even be worth while to stack both products? Because once your natty levels get to a certain point you would only be promoting estrogen to rise. Once your natural test levels get to a certain point there just going to stop increasing and your simply left with maintaining estrogen?

Hope that came out right.

 

[Joshlm69]

Brundel, I got a question, may be dumb, not sure.

Let's say your using Formeron, it lowers estrogen so in return Test levels will increase.

Let's say you add Viron to the party to further increase Test levels. I would assume that your Test levels will only rise so much and then you would start creating more and more estrogen. Which wouldn't be a problem considering your using Formeron.

But my question is this, would it even be worth while to stack both products? Because once your natty levels get to a certain point you would only be promoting estrogen to rise. Once your natural test levels get to a certain point there just going to stop increasing and your simply left with maintaining estrogen?

Hope that came out right.

Viron targets free test though, so its completely different, I believe. Im sure Formeron raises your test but Viron raises your free test, so surely its a great stack? Just my 02, might be wrong.

 

[Peppers]

Viron targets free test though, so its completely different, I believe. Im sure Formeron raises your test but Viron raises your free test, so surely its a great stack? Just my 02, might be wrong.

Little off bro, I'll tell you why I ask this question once he replies with his response.

 

[Joshlm69]

Little off bro, I'll tell you why I ask this question once he replies with his response.

Yeah I'm still fairly knew to this, ill sit back and gain the knowledge. Today was going to be my first day of stacking folli/form/viron , so definitely interested

 

[kisaj]

Can you let us in on your concern, because that is accurate.

Cutting estrogen will increase total test levels to a degree, which is good to balance the T/E ratio. Viron increases free test and lowers SHBG. This is why they are are good to take together. You are increasing test levels, free test levels, and lowering estrogen levels.

Wthout taking exogenous test, you will only make so much testosterone- staying within your physiological levels. You won't continue to increase test and unless there is another issue estrogen should not continue to increase.

 

[Peppers]

Can you let us in on your concern, because that is accurate. Cutting estrogen will increase total test levels to a degree, which is good to balance the T/E ratio. Viron increases free test and lowers SHBG. This is why they are are good to take together. You are increasing test levels, free test levels, and lowering estrogen levels. Wthout taking exogenous test, you will only make so much testosterone- staying within your physiological levels. You won't continue to increase test and unless there is another issue estrogen should not continue to increase.

As I thought, here's why I asked.

I ran Viron, Endosurge, Tribulus, Formeron as a nice natty stack. Stack had my balls hurting, it was working we'll.

However when I dropped the formeron because I was getting dry joints and limp dick, my ****ing gyno flared up overnight. Pissed me off.
So in reality my test levels had peaked and all I was doing was creating estrogen and as soon as I laid off the AI, fml.

So in reality, my stack did it's job we'll.
But it was overkill and created and issue.

 

[Joshlm69]

As I thought, here's why I asked.

I ran Viron, Endosurge, Tribulus, Formeron as a nice natty stack. Stack had my balls hurting, it was working we'll.

However when I dropped the formeron because I was getting dry joints and limp dick, my ****ing gyno flared up overnight. Pissed me off.
So in reality my test levels had peaked and all I was doing was creating estrogen and as soon as I laid off the AI, fml.

So in reality, my stack did it's job we'll.
But it was overkill and created and issue.

how many pumps of formeron were you taking to cause libido problems if you dont mind me asking?

 

[Peppers]

how many pumps of formeron were you taking to cause libido problems if you dont mind me asking?

My libido issues were from something else, but formeron was making it worse at 2 pumps.

 

[kisaj]

I always feel a need to give my lame answer, but here goes:

May want to get some numbers and see what you are working with.

 

[Peppers]

I already did, everything was in check.
Estrogen was a tad high before starting the stack but nothing of concern.
Test to E ratio was okay, 750-32.

 

[kisaj]

Just as a side note, I used to love the old endosurge and cannot take the new one because Maca messes with me and kills libido. Anytime I take a maca product it would be the same result.

 

[Joshlm69]

Just as a side note, I used to love the old endosurge and cannot take the new one because Maca messes with me and kills libido. Anytime I take a maca product it would be the same result.

Just ordered 5 bottles of Goji berries, apparently they are the shizniz

 

[muree]

Just ordered 5 bottles of Goji berries, apparently they are the shizniz

The goji berries are for libido / erection strength??? what brand and whats the dosage

 

[Joshlm69]

They are also high in protein and just generally good for you

From BioCeutricals.

2000mg capsules.

Ill have 2 a day, although double dose for the first week

http://www.bioceuticals.co.uk/review/product/list/id/55/

 

[brundel]

how long did it take for yours to naturally reboot, libido that is

HOnestly I dont know if it ever did. Ive been on HRT for a decade.

 

[brundel]

Brundel, I got a question, may be dumb, not sure.

Let's say your using Formeron, it lowers estrogen so in return Test levels will increase.

Let's say you add Viron to the party to further increase Test levels. I would assume that your Test levels will only rise so much and then you would start creating more and more estrogen. Which wouldn't be a problem considering your using Formeron.

But my question is this, would it even be worth while to stack both products? Because once your natty levels get to a certain point you would only be promoting estrogen to rise. Once your natural test levels get to a certain point there just going to stop increasing and your simply left with maintaining estrogen?

Hope that came out right.

As long as you manage estrogen levels test levels will likely rise above human normals. Keeping in mind this isnt a normal thing.
Your using supplements to elevate Total and FreeT. Ive seen Formeron alone raise free t 60% above the normal range.

THe whole point is to elevate test levels....estrogen will rise yes but if your using Formeron it should remain under control.

 

[muree]

HOnestly I dont know if it ever did. Ive been on HRT for a decade.

Brundel.. are you saying that the libido will never come back even if one stops using formeron??

 

[brundel]

As I thought, here's why I asked.

I ran Viron, Endosurge, Tribulus, Formeron as a nice natty stack. Stack had my balls hurting, it was working we'll.

However when I dropped the formeron because I was getting dry joints and limp dick, my ****ing gyno flared up overnight. Pissed me off.
So in reality my test levels had peaked and all I was doing was creating estrogen and as soon as I laid off the AI, fml.

So in reality, my stack did it's job we'll.
But it was overkill and created and issue.

The idea would be to NOT stop the ai.
Lower dose perhaps but not stop. A real test booster can kick levels up super high. This means estro will also go up high unless you manage it.

 

[brundel]

My libido issues were from something else, but formeron was making it worse at 2 pumps.

If the libido issues were from something else how are you stating that formeron is causing the problem?
Probably whatever was causing the libido issue was also causing the limp dick. NOT formeron. at 2 pumps with elevated estrogen levels. This wouldnt happen.

 

[brundel]

Brundel.. are you saying that the libido will never come back even if one stops using formeron??

No we were not talking about formeron we were talking about a multi prohormone supplement.

and No I never said that at all.

Im on HRT because I was on AAS for decades. Has nothing to do with Formeron
My days of PCT were over long ago.

 

[Peppers]

If the libido issues were from something else how are you stating that formeron is causing the problem? Probably whatever was causing the libido issue was also causing the limp dick. NOT formeron. at 2 pumps with elevated estrogen levels. This wouldnt happen.

Thanks for replying,

However if you read my post again, you'll see I never stated formeron caused my issue. Simply stated it made it worse. Wasn't bagging your product, calm down.