If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo

CJNator said:
Soooo Monday or Tuesday will it be in stock?
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Monday is Memorial Day it will probably be in Wed. but if it arrives on Tue. don't be like our friend here or it may be to late by Wed.

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Just an update guys. Been on Follidrone for six weeks but took a week or so off in the middle cause I was sick. That being said I want to add that my strength continues to increase on all my lifts. The only other product I am using at the moment is secretabridge which I was using prior to follidrone. I plan on continuing follidrone for another month or two. In the meantime, when the secretabridge runs out I am going to add in clear muscle. Thanks
 
Now if it lives up to the hype, clear muscle with the endurance and growth from follidrone.

Might have to kiss AAS goodbye, if it lives up to it's claims.

Brundel, you still feel folli works best taken with egcg and ascorbic acid, didn't know at the time that it benefited absorption, just sheer luck that's how i take it.

Glad i bought two tubs, turns out this year will be pretty epic for supps.

How long before they try to come up with some bs reason to clamp down on this?
 
kisaj said:
Have you started Folli yet? The endurance is the first thing you'll notice and it continues to ramp up.
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First thing i noticed, in fact i kinda went for it and pinged my back whilst squatting, nothing major but i just didn't run out of steam.

Just started thursday, i know it's early days but so far my diet is going great, if this is a sign of things to come i should be very happy.

I was worried that over the next five months, i wouldn't get close to my target of sub 10%, at this rate i'll be close inside two months.

I am taking alphamine, f95, egcg and low dose test and other bits, so it'll more likely be a synergistic effect,
either way im not complaining.

Only problem now is i have to buy a lifting belt.
 
I will be starting My Folli log soon, curious how this stuff works for a volume workhorse like myself. Will be eating at 3600cals and pushing Recomp until I reach 215-220lbs.
 
It's ideal for volume work. Most of the loggers were working hypertrophy ranges+ and expressed how noticeable it was. I run more of a PLing type routine with HIIT and added multiple reps to my 1RM.
 
kisaj said:
I encourage you to browse the logs we ran. If you are on a recomp, you are going to be blown away.
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Browse, mate i was glued to my mobile the whole time, must have subbed to at least six different logs.
And seeing all that come from just one bottle, and im running two here i can't wait to see what it brings.

Last time i got this excited was on my first cycle.

As for diet i always try to recomp, well sort of i refeed once per week, nothing daft just a ton of carbs until i know i've taken in enough, i usually top out after a few hours, and slink back into diet mode.

So far i've only lost one, maybe two lbs during the past eight weeks or so and lost a lot of fat.
 
kisaj said:
It's ideal for volume work. Most of the loggers were working hypertrophy ranges+ and expressed how noticeable it was. I run more of a PLing type routine with HIIT and added multiple reps to my 1RM.
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Whoa, have you always been a rep for them? Congrats either way
 
Thanks brotha! No, just been a strong supporter of BLR's approach, message, and quality, and recently was offered the privilege of assisting.
 
MultiVitamin said:
MuscleTech has many good supplements, and are today, much more than a marketing whore (as they once were) And if Clear Muscle ends up being as effective as it should be, they'll have no need to over advertise it as results will speak for themselves (much like ArA, (-)epi, PA, etc.)
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Clear muscle uses 1g free base HMB per serving. Regular HMB needs t be dosed at a min of 3g although even at 6g nothing happened for me or anyone Ive ever talked to. Keep in mind HMB is a rehash of a product released in the 90s that nobody used because it was terrible. Even if it did something it wasnt enough to warrant its use. Even if it was 5$ and CLear muscle is certainly not 5$. They claim the free base causes far greater amounts of HMB to be absorbed but unfortunately this is not true.
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Notice that after a few hours you have exactly the same amount of HMB in the system.^^^ NO difference. The study ( Invalid Link Removed ) states: "However, research with HMB-FA is in its infancy, and there is not enough research to support whether one form is superior. THere is no reason to believe taking this form of HMB is any better than regular HMB. They also only include 1g per serving which if you look at the graph above will do no more than 1g of normal HMB. Since HMB requires a min of 3g dose your paying for basically 1/3 of the required dose of a compound that doesnt do squat at any dose Im aware of. Save your money. Also....the ads claim a muscle increase of 16lbs. If clear muscle adds 16lbs to anyone please let me know. Ill stop selling follidrone at 10lbs and sell HMB. Keeping in mind that MT has had ALOT of products that made claims like this with 0 results. VERY poor track record.
 
TheMovement said:
I will be starting My Folli log soon, curious how this stuff works for a volume workhorse like myself. Will be eating at 3600cals and pushing Recomp until I reach 215-220lbs.
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Awesome bro. Cant wait to see the results!
 
And....Multivit....IM not trying to attack you brother. Just trying to look out for you. I dislike seeing a companies MO being basically complete lies and deceit to sell product. I dont want you to be enticed into spending your money on something I highly doubt is gonna work. The studies they use for support even say there is no indication free HMB is better than regular old HMB. We may make some bold claims but when I say testers gained 10lbs....it really happened. In the very least......wait a few months to see how non paid users are effected.
 
huxley309 said:
Brundel, you still feel folli works best taken with egcg and ascorbic acid, didn't know at the time that it benefited absorption, just sheer luck that's how i take it.
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I believe 500mg (50% EGCG) is recommended.

The Vit C part is news to me.. can it further benefit absorption coupled with EGCG? How much is needed?
 
bdybldnaam said:
I believe 500mg (50% EGCG) is recommended.

The Vit C part is news to me.. can it further benefit absorption coupled with EGCG? How much is needed?
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Not sure, i just go with 1000mg as i always take that anyway should be enough id have thought?

Got a ton of egcg so guess i'll be bumping up the dose.
 
There are studies indicating EGCG can help absorption. Its minimal though.
Im testing a few things to see if it makes any difference compared to just plain (-)-epi.
 
brundel said:
And....Multivit....IM not trying to attack you brother. Just trying to look out for you. I dislike seeing a companies MO being basically complete lies and deceit to sell product. I dont want you to be enticed into spending your money on something I highly doubt is gonna work. The studies they use for support even say there is no indication free HMB is better than regular old HMB. We may make some bold claims but when I say testers gained 10lbs....it really happened. In the very least......wait a few months to see how non paid users are effected.
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I feel you man. I received it all for free so if it is a bust, I don't really lose anything.

1 serving is 1000mg FaHMB, but you take 3srvng/day = 3g FaHMB

It also appears that HMB is really centered around overtraining/overreaching hence the routine.

I'm not saying it works or doesn't because idk and I'm too early in to really know, but judging from the study + past research it makes sense that it'd work in this kind of scenario

But on the flip side there's no evidence this will be nearly as effective (or effective at all) for the average "bro split"/linear program

Again I'm not making an argument for, or against FaHMB, just simply keeping an open mind. And in 3 months when all beta testers/early buyers do or don't have the results as promised, this will either be the next big flop (as HMB is notorious for), or one of the top muscle builders on the market (but more than likely only in an OT/OR environment)
 
MultiVitamin said:
I feel you man. I received it all for free so if it is a bust, I don't really lose anything.

1 serving is 1000mg FaHMB, but you take 3srvng/day = 3g FaHMB

It also appears that HMB is really centered around overtraining/overreaching hence the routine.

I'm not saying it works or doesn't because idk and I'm too early in to really know, but judging from the study + past research it makes sense that it'd work in this kind of scenario

But on the flip side there's no evidence this will be nearly as effective (or effective at all) for the average "bro split"/linear program

Again I'm not making an argument for, or against FaHMB, just simply keeping an open mind. And in 3 months when all beta testers/early buyers do or don't have the results as promised, this will either be the next big flop (as HMB is notorious for), or one of the top muscle builders on the market (but more than likely only in an OT/OR environment)
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Seeing as you got it for free Id eat it for sure.
Im actually interested to see how it works. Keep us posted on results please :)
 
all those guys at bb.--- are going to start throwing tubs of Invalid Link Removed at brundels pate
 
brundel said:
Seeing as you got it for free Id eat it for sure.
Im actually interested to see how it works. Keep us posted on results please :)
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I love how you say "eat it" all the time, as opposed to "take it." Not trying to be disrespectful or anything, but I just find it a little funny.
 
According to that thread in the bb.com supp science section the first batch of this stuff since it was just plain epicatechin had a biovailability of next to nothing, lol. So if you get that I would definitely be getting a placebo effect. From Coop's post in that thread:
mr.cooper69 said:
So it looks like epicatechin has extremely low bioavailability due to two efflux transports: MRP-2 or BCRP. Inhibition of either of these may allow the ingredient to make it into circulation.
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New version is coming out that may make it bioavailable...imagine the results we'll see then!
 
GigaPaladin said:
According to that thread in the bb.com supp science section the first batch of this stuff since it was just plain epicatechin had a biovailability of next to nothing, lol. So if you get that I would definitely be getting a placebo effect. From Coop's post in that thread: New version is coming out that may make it bioavailable...imagine the results we'll see then!
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Lol @ "bb.com" and "supp science"
 
GigaPaladin said:
According to that thread in the bb.com supp science section the first batch of this stuff since it was just plain epicatechin had a biovailability of next to nothing, lol. So if you get that I would definitely be getting a placebo effect. From Coop's post in that thread:

New version is coming out that may make it bioavailable...imagine the results we'll see then!
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He said extremely low, not "next to nothing". Maybe he will clarify that with a number for you, but the data Ive seen suggests epicatechin has non-linear pharmacokinetics and bioavailability % rises as dose increases.

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Because the efflux process depends on active transport via membrane transporters, it is possible that when the epicatechin dose is increased, apical efflux of epicatechin conjugates becomes saturated to some extent. A consequence of saturation of apical efflux would be an increase in intracellular concentrations of epicatechin conjugates, which would in turn drive an increase in the rate of basolateral efflux. This would manifest as a non-linear super-absorption response to increased doses of epicatechin
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mr.cooper69 said:
My post was directly from a study on epicatechin pharmacokinetics. It is literally pure science
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I think he is just referring to the irony of bb.com and science being in the same sentence :)
 
mmats said:
He said extremely low, not "next to nothing". Maybe he will clarify that with a number for you, but the data Ive seen suggests epicatechin has non-linear pharmacokinetics and bioavailability % rises as dose increases.

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This is why the dose in the product is so important.........
 
We are about to start testing with absorption enhancement.
There are several versions up for testing including but not limited to those listed.
In about 2-3 weeks Ill have an answer for you guys regarding the differences between normal (-)-epi and multiple absorption enhancement options.

If something epic happens or there is a significant difference between regular and enhanced we will likely add enhancement.

For now....take it with EGCG. Its only a small% increase though.
 
brundel said:
We are about to start testing with absorption enhancement.
There are several versions up for testing including but not limited to those listed.
In about 2-3 weeks Ill have an answer for you guys regarding the differences between normal (-)-epi and multiple absorption enhancement options.

If something epic happens or there is a significant difference between regular and enhanced we will likely add enhancement.

For now....take it with EGCG. Its only a small% increase though.
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You want my advice: just reformulate with vit c and egcg. Both cost pennies as raws, and it's worth it even if the difference is minimal
 
You want my advice just get us the product and stabilize your inventory then worry about small changes which may or may not make much difference, it's not like EGCG is hard to come by I've got a bottle from Now I have been dosing with it the last couple of days
 
Touey said:
You want my advice just get us the product and stabilize your inventory then worry about small changes which may or may not make much difference, it's not like EGCG is hard to come by I've got a bottle from Now I have been dosing with it the last couple of days
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x2 been waiting 2 months to buy it.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You want my advice: just reformulate with vit c and egcg. Both cost pennies as raws, and it's worth it even if the difference is minimal
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TBH we are not even testing EGCG. Youll understand why of course if and when you see the actual formula.
There are several.
Some very interesting things though. Considering your interest in the GI tract and absorption you would be very interested in the research being done.
Keeping in mind its not just my mind on this. I have friends whos chem/bio knowledge makes mine look like a third graders.
Honestly I wish we were a bit closer because your input would be valuable as well.

Vit C is almost free so itll be tested. We are subbing EGCG for something else. Keep in mind having the whole studies pays off in these cases...well all cases.
EGCG looks great in the abstract but the % is very low. I think 50% which sounds good but not in comparison to others.

I think we can achieve 5x increase in absorption.

Testing will start next week as test raws have shipped to me.
We will likely run some trials using previous trial members so we have a sort of control example with them at the same dose.
Then we can track their weight and strength as we did before and see how it differs.

It looks like at some point (-)-epi begins to be absorbed better than at lower doses. Looking at the results from 200-400mg I cant imagine it getting better...
But I have all of our previous trial data and all of our testers are like crazed to test new stuff from me so I doubt there will be any shortage of volunteers.

Wow....whats in this coffee O_O
 
Touey said:
You want my advice just get us the product and stabilize your inventory then worry about small changes which may or may not make much difference, it's not like EGCG is hard to come by I've got a bottle from Now I have been dosing with it the last couple of days
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Trust me Im trying.
THink of it like this.....Imagine you have a product that sells for 50$ and it sells 500 units in 3 days.
How much money do you lose not having it in stock for 3 weeks.
Our retailers are also losing money......And they are not super stoked about not having one of the best selling supps in years in stock.


Our primary concern is not trying to reformulate an already incredible product.
I only address the questions honestly.

Yes we are planning some testing.
We currently dont have any 2.0 planned. If tests go super well we will just add the new stuff to the next batch and make new labels.
Wont reduce manufacturing times.
 
tyrub42 said:
Is Nutraplanet still supposed to have it today or tomorrow or has that been pushed back?
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Its a holiday here so I expect Ill have it tomorrow and ship tomorrow or wed to NP.
They will likely start pre selling but I cant confirm this currently.
 
haha, nice Brundel, good stuff for sure, and I've come to like cooper also, we got off to a bad start and he may not always come across in the nicest way but he has shared plenty of good info and is a knowledgable guy. I'm really excited to order this stuff and see what it can do for my physique. Keep up the good work fellas
 
Yah...stay tuned on our FB page and here. Ill let everyone know.
Also....Im gonna be on superhuman radio on the 2nd. There may be some....ehem...privileges extended to listeners ;)
Special thanks to Orbit nutrition.
 
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