The Arachidonic Acid Help Guide

1kerry said:
thanks for your detailed answer and your time!
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No problem! I must say hair loss isn't something I would have considered an issue on Ara but everyone is different. Personally, if anything will result in hair loss to any appreciable degree, I avoid it like the plague.
 
I train fasted but I take amino IV about 10 minutes pre workout- when should I dose ara then? Or is it not an issue for aminos?

Was also thinking of using test powder for the lclt... Ok to dose at the same time as ara or will anything in it cause a rise in insulin?
 
chedapalooza said:
I train fasted but I take amino IV about 10 minutes pre workout- when should I dose ara then? Or is it not an issue for aminos? Was also thinking of using test powder for the lclt... Ok to dose at the same time as ara or will anything in it cause a rise in insulin?
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Ok no offense to anyone here, but I posted about this a page ago and now 3 people have asked if it's ok. Yes, it's ok.Post 283...please don't make me post it again :(
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Ok no offense to anyone here, but I posted about this a page ago and now 3 people have asked if it's ok. Yes, it's ok.Post 283...please don't make me post it again :(
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Didnt read all 16 pages brotha man. trying to read in between my gf showing me 100s of DUVET COVERS. fcking duvet covers.....
Thank you for directing me tho.
 
chedapalooza said:
Didnt read all 16 pages brotha man. trying to read in between my gf showing me 100s of DUVET COVERS. fcking duvet covers..... Thank you for directing me tho.
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I don't expect 16 pages, but I mean I posted it like 2 days ago on page 15 and people were even asking about it on that page lol.

Also, consider using the search function in long threads. If you search this thread for "amino iv," the very first post that shows up tells you it's ok
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I don't expect 16 pages, but I mean I posted it like 2 days ago on page 15 and people were even asking about it on that page lol.

Also, consider using the search function in long threads. If you search this thread for "amino iv," the very first post that shows up tells you it's ok
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Ooh I'm ALWAYS on mobile- can't search within a thread. Thanks again though. I haven't been following the thread just found it
 
Ok coop. I read the mentioned posts several times. I can use amino iv/ another low/no carb pre with x gels. That being said. Should I take the pre workout at the same time as x gels, or take one before the other?

Example 1-

4pm- amino iv
4:30pm- x gels+lclt
5 pm- gym

Example 2-
4pm- x gels+lclt
445pm- amino iv
5pm gym

Example 3-
430 pm-amino iv+x gels+lclt
5pm gym

Example 4-
STFU Ched

I try to add humor to my annoying, anal, micro-managing questions. But truthfully trying to understand and get the most out of the product
 
15 minutes isn't going to have that much of an effect if any at all. Just dose the supplements and go lift. As long as the ArA is in the system during weight training, you're are going to be fine. AminoIV isn't going to stop it from doing it's job.

I feel like the question has been answered in numerous threads. People worrying about dosing aminos and/or yohimbine with ArA...
 
Jiigzz: thanks again for both the original post, and the additional answer to my specific question. Also, apologies for the various typos, such as misspelling your name!

BTW, I was just kidding about the M1T—I didn't mean to suggest suspicious/untoward behavior on your part, I just meant that ArA sounds like an amazingly effective compound, kind of like M1T was. I think my previous reference to 17-aa stuff (meant only for info about my liver) distorted what I had intended to say. My clarity of expression isn't much better than the precision of my typing, so it shows great class on your part to reply so good-naturedly to what probably came off as a rude implication. :)

Anyway, I'm very excited to start the regime. I'm going to be traveling a lot for work over the next two months, so can't keep a very meaningful log initially, but once things settle down and I'm ready for another run of ArA etc., I'll keep careful track of everything.

Best,

Adam
 
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Almost exactly what I meant :)

Aaronuconn: I think you probably hit the nail on the head, and I'm sorry that I missed your post and only responded to Jiigzz' reply. My reference to both AAS/PH stuff and MIT in close succession was a terrible choice on my part. I'm definitely not worried about ArA falling into the AAS/PH category, or it following *that* path of hepatotoxicity. (In the unlikely event that my chemistry is accurate, I don't think that there shouldn't be any alkyl group in ArA that the liver will have to struggle to cleave during first-pass metabolism.) I was more worried that the inflammatory effects of prostaglandins might put additional stress on the liver; I have no idea what the down-stream by-products are, nor do I know how/by which pathway such by-products are metabolized. Again, my chemistry isn't great, so this may be precisely the same thing as worrying about the hepatotoxicity of omega-6's, but it definitely has more of the "hepatotoxicity of omega-6's" flavor than it does of worrying about the usual AAS/PH problems. I doubt that I will understand a detailed scientific explanation on a first read, but if you have any desire to explain the details of the physiology, I would love to hear them so that I can direct my studies a bit more in the future. Otherwise, a "dude, don't worry about it," or "seriously, this is a question for your doctor, not for an internet forum" would (quite seriously) be helpful responses :)Best,Adam

Edit: I just read over this post again while I was going through this thread, and I kind of sound like a dick. Really sorry (especially to Aaronuconn!) if it came across like that. I want to learn a lot about supplements and physiology, and this forum is an awesome resource, so I always try to be polite and respectful, but I'm not a very good writer. On that note, I'll stop hijacking this fantastic thread!
 
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adamcj1 said:
Jiigzz: thanks again for both the original post, and the additional answer to my specific question. Also, apologies for the various typos, such as misspelling your name!

BTW, I was just kidding about the M1T--I didn't mean to suggest suspicious/untoward behavior on your part, I just meant that ArA sounds like an amazingly effective compound, kind of like M1T was. I think my previous reference to 17-aa stuff (meant only for info about my liver) distorted what I had intended to say. My clarity of expression isn't much better than the precision of my typing, so it shows great class on your part to reply so good-naturedly to what probably came off as a rude implication. :)

Anyway, I'm very excited to start the regime. I'm going to be traveling a lot for work over the next two months, so can't keep a very meaningful log initially, but once things settle down and I'm ready for another run of ArA etc., I'll keep careful track of everything.

Best,

Adam
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Haha don't sweat it. I didn't take it offensively although was slightly befuddled at the comparison :D Ara is a great compound, but the results are definitely not steroid like. For a natural product though, it delivers.

It is just a omega 6 fatty acid, so there is no real cause for concern on the liver. Its pathways though are quite complex so if you're at all concerned, I suggest using examine.com as a reference point
 
No issue with that.
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
how about Na-R-ALA's interaction with ArA? I know Na-R-ALA is an antioxidant, but I don't know if they intertwine and have a negative effect? I usually take Na-R-ALA either before or after training (Usually 60 mins prior) because my post workout meal is 250g of Carbs. I found that 300-450mg of Na-R-ALA prior to my lift really helps with the carb bloat etc etc So basically will 45 -60 mins pre wo Na-R-ALA effect my ArA in anyway? Or should I dose it just post workout
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Personally, I jut dose Na-R-ALA before a heavy carb meal once daily. Believe its half life is around 17-22 hours. Do you carbs any other time of the day?
 
Here's a question.

In a couple of months I'll be going on vacation and I won't have gym access for 2-3 weeks.
I was thinking of continuing ArA supplementation while away and not training.

Would this be a waste? Would there still be benefits if one is not weight lifting?
 
doggy_dog said:
Here's a question. In a couple of months I'll be going on vacation and I won't have gym access for 2-3 weeks. I was thinking of continuing ArA supplementation while away and not training. Would this be a waste? Would there still be benefits if one is not weight lifting?
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I would save ArA for another time frame personally - From a cost:benefit ratio.
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
how about Na-R-ALA's interaction with ArA? I know Na-R-ALA is an antioxidant, but I don't know if they intertwine and have a negative effect? I usually take Na-R-ALA either before or after training (Usually 60 mins prior) because my post workout meal is 250g of Carbs. I found that 300-450mg of Na-R-ALA prior to my lift really helps with the carb bloat etc etc So basically will 45 -60 mins pre wo Na-R-ALA effect my ArA in anyway? Or should I dose it just post workout
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I dose Na-R-ALA with my breakfast and then tend to wait around 1-2 hours then dose ArA and I've always had great results. You will be fine dosing how you have it set up.

Like Aaron said, the half life of Na-R-ALA is 17-22 hours so if you dose pre-workout, you'll be covered post-workout and the rest of the day.
 
1kerry said:
you're right, i BELEIVE it doesn't matter if it is cream or tab …but just want to make sure.
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So it is a highly selective COX 2 inhibitor which is a bad thing, but taking it on off days I'm not so sure.
Synapsin may know though
 
aaronuconn said:
I would save ArA for another time frame personally - From a cost:benefit ratio.
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Yes, normally I would.
In this case, I have some expiring ArA that I won't be able to use up in time.

So I was just wondering whether I will notice any benefit in taking ArA if I'm not training. (muscle fullness, muscle retention, fat accumulation, any of that)
 
doggy_dog said:
Yes, normally I would.
In this case, I have some expiring ArA that I won't be able to use up in time.

So I was just wondering whether I will notice any benefit in taking ArA if I'm not training. (muscle fullness, muscle retention, fat accumulation, any of that)
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I recommend xgels preworkout. They show best results this way. I noticed no dif between everyday and preworkout dosing. You may notice fuller muscles and a leaning effect though if dosed on off days but I don't see it being worth it. If you have to much and it's expiring dose it at 2g preworkout. I love 2g. Iv tried 2.5 and it was also killer.
 
The plasma AUC of diclofenac cream is roughly 20x lower than the oral form. The whole reasoning behind marketing a cream was to reduce the cardiovascular risk associated with other selective COX-2 inhibitors. With such low systemic exposure, small applications to painful joints probably won't matter, though it's obviously not optimal. What you should really be asking is whether or not you should be going off what seems like a necessary prescription medication in order to use something pro-inflammatory (inb4 llewelyn comes in and says it will reduce inflammation in your joints :D)
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The plasma AUC of diclofenac cream is roughly 20x lower than the oral form. The whole reasoning behind marketing a cream was to reduce the cardiovascular risk associated with other selective COX-2 inhibitors. With such low systemic exposure, small applications to painful joints probably won't matter, though it's obviously not optimal. What you should really be asking is whether or not you should be going off what seems like a necessary prescription medication in order to use something pro-inflammatory (inb4 llewelyn comes in and says it will reduce inflammation in your joints :D)
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lawl I didn't see the cream portion. I still wouldn't recommend it regardless of form, and indeed; if you have a script for diclofenac, I wouldn't be too concerned with supplementing ArA. Focus on your health first.
 
MultiVitamin said:
Post this before, but for what it's worth..

The standard ArA cycle would contain;
1-2g ArA (1.5g seems to be the sweet spot)
2g LCLT (or some form of carinitine)
3-6g GMS

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Advanced Cycle:
1-2g ArA
2g LCLT
3-6g GMS
2-5g HCA
4caps ABE

Each having their own reason, of course.

Carnitine would would inhibit ArA being broken down into thromboxanes, enhances lipid packaging and enterocyte (lymphatic) absorption

GMS enhance emulsification in attempt to kinetically enhance the delivery of ArA to the enterocytes, and then to the lymphatics

HCA will aid in cellular uptake of extra ArA

Anabeta Elite (via the ingredient Lodhra Bark) going to inhibit ArA being broken down into luekotrienes
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If I was to go with the above advanced set up how would taking BCAAs affect the ArA? I am currently taking AminoIV with ABE pre-workout in a morning fasted state.

I read somewhere that insulin affects uptake of ArA.

Could I take the ArA with BCAAs at the same time, say, 20 minutes before lifting?

Or would it be better to take 1.5g ArA, 2g LCLT, 3-6g GMS, say, 45 minutes pre-workout and then take the AminoIV with ABE 20 minutes before pre-workout?

Thanks.
 
Shin Sprints said:
If I was to go with the above advanced set up how would taking BCAAs affect the ArA? I am currently taking AminoIV with ABE pre-workout in a morning fasted state. I read somewhere that insulin affects uptake of ArA. Could I take the ArA with BCAAs at the same time, say, 20 minutes before lifting? Or would it be better to take 1.5g ArA, 2g LCLT, 3-6g GMS, say, 45 minutes pre-workout and then take the AminoIV with ABE 20 minutes before pre-workout? Thanks.
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Either dose your BCAA pre-training then right before you train, dose your ArA. Or take them at the same time. Either way, you'll be fine as the spike won't affect the ArA from reaching the skeletal muscle during exercise.
 
Just a quick question.

LCLT at 2g and GMS at 3g, right? Also, is there any point in loading these for a week or two or just take them pre workout on training days?
 
AntM1564 said:
Just a quick question. LCLT at 2g and GMS at 3g, right? Also, is there any point in loading these for a week or two or just take them pre workout on training days?
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Correct. No need to do a loading phase.
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
I've always used BCAA intra, does it matter? Srs, not trying to be a wise ass
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BCAA have been shown to be better taken pre- training in one bolus than intra. But dosing intra is fine. Was just stating throwing in some EAAs intra would be a good idea as well.
 
I guess I will just keep it simple and take the ABE and the ArA, with the LCLT, GMS and BCAAs all in one dose about 20-25 minutes prior to workout.

Thanks.
 
Very good info on this thread, will be trying it soon.

Observation - The description on the NP sale link says take XF with meals, broken up during day. Should that be revised so people dose it properly (preworkout and empty stomach) so they get most benefit?

How To Take X-Factor:
Dosage/Administration: As a dietary supplement, take 3-4 capsules per day. The capsules should be taken with meals, and are best divided into 3 or 4 separate applications (1 capsule, 3-4 times per day). Take for 50 days, followed by a break of at least 50 days.
 
Hark said:
Very good info on this thread, will be trying it soon.

Observation - The description on the NP sale link says take XF with meals, broken up during day. Should that be revised so people dose it properly (preworkout and empty stomach) so they get most benefit?

How To Take X-Factor:
Dosage/Administration: As a dietary supplement, take 3-4 capsules per day. The capsules should be taken with meals, and are best divided into 3 or 4 separate applications (1 capsule, 3-4 times per day). Take for 50 days, followed by a break of at least 50 days.
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We will be changing the label recommendation on future runs. Good looking out :)
 
don't know if I read it here, but someone said not to eat fish during an ARA cycle, so…. peanut butter is a NO NO too?
 
1kerry said:
don't know if I read it here, but someone said not to eat fish during an ARA cycle, so.... peanut butter is a NO NO too?
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A peanut is a fish?!

:p

Peanut butter is fine :)
 
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