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using prohormone, but stgill natural?

prebzmaister

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Would anyone of you say one is natural if using 1-andro, since it is naturally ocouring in the bodys tissue?

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this article claims that 1-andro is a natural supplement. So does that make it legit to call myself "natural" if I was going to use it?
and would 1-andro be considered cheating, regarding natural bodybuilding shows?
 
With that kind of thinking, what about testosterone? ;)
 
prebzmaister said:
Would anyone of you say one is natural if using 1-andro, since it is naturally ocouring in the bodys tissue?

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this article claims that 1-andro is a natural supplement. So does that make it legit to call myself "natural" if I was going to use it?
and would 1-andro be considered cheating, regarding natural bodybuilding shows?
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unless they're harvesting it from dead bodies it's not natural. It's made in a lab aka not natural brah. just lie and flex on them real nattys and let them mire
 
Lmao all I see is "am I natty if I do ph/steroids"....I wonder if you could have answered that one yourself lol
 
reps4jesus said:
Lmao all I see is "am I natty if I do ph/steroids"....I wonder if you could have answered that one yourself lol
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bro after a 12 week cycle of test-e and friends you're natty just as long as you're not cycling.

Bro logic is win
 
RH2012 said:
how could anybody really give a sh1t anymore.
JMO
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Shyts played out. "I'm all natural" bragging is about as cool as "I'm 100% Irish or 100% Italian" Nobody gives a shyt.

Please understand, its admirable when natural guys push the boundaries of their physique without taking potentially harmful drugs. They work hard and have patience and discipline. However...
Bragging snobbery is what ruins it for me.
Plenty of those that use ped's work just as hard, they just typically get better results, faster.. If they didn't work so well and I got fantastic results naturally, I'd stay "all natural" - I just wouldn't go around announcing it to everyone like I'm in some elite club that you could join too if you weren't such a shortcut taking, instant gratification slacker.
 
Guess all you guys are pretty right, lol. Always wondered what this tarded half natty even is. Just the same as natural or do you think these dudes like matt ogus uses something too?
 
Messer said:
unless they're harvesting it from dead bodies it's not natural. It's made in a lab aka not natural brah. just lie and flex on them real nattys and let them mire
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Even that is a stretch. This is how GH was produced backnin the 70's. Pretty sure taking GH wasnt considered natural.
 
Matthersby said:
Shyts played out. "I'm all natural" bragging is about as cool as "I'm 100% Irish or 100% Italian" Nobody gives a shyt.

Please understand, its admirable when natural guys push the boundaries of their physique without taking potentially harmful drugs. They work hard and have patience and discipline. However...
Bragging snobbery is what ruins it for me.
Plenty of those that use ped's work just as hard, they just typically get better results, faster.. If they didn't work so well and I got fantastic results naturally, I'd stay "all natural" - I just wouldn't go around announcing it to everyone like I'm in some elite club that you could join too if you weren't such a shortcut taking, instant gratification slacker.
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Thanks. I appreciate the sermon.

I find it all a bit hypocritical anyways. Typically, people that look down on others are also the same people that have an inaccurate (and certainly inflated) view of themselves. For every needle that I (or my doc) has plunged into my thigh there are equal (and often times) greater detestable things that these bitter natty guys have done as well.

If PED's is the worst thing I've done to harm this world, then I count it a blessing.
 
fueledpassion said:
Even that is a stretch. This is how GH was produced backnin the 70's. Pretty sure taking GH wasnt considered natural.
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I get my growth hormone from jerking off bull sharks then using their their splooge in my shakes.

100% natty brah
 
OP, to compete on a tested show the rules state you cannot compete until you've been off prohormones for three years, or steroids for five.

You are playing by the rules but you're really not truly natty at that point.

reps4jesus said:
Has there been any evidence showing he's on gear? Besides taking one look at him lol
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Are you Fûcking serious?
Matt ogus is like 5'7 170lbs. He's natty.
If you think it takes drugs to look like that, you're wrong.

Maybe if he was 205 at that leanness, I'd question it.

Pro tip: just because someone looks better than you, doesn't mean they're on or have taken steroids.

Honestly though I do question Ryan Dorris.
Not because he's huge but because he's made so much progress in like what, five years??
But then again he is black- he could be natty

Mystere3 said:
Kalimuscle and ct are supposedly natty too.
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They're not natty, just look at them.
I know you can say that's against my above logic but you don't get 230+ and lean like that without gear.
 
aceroni said:
OP, to compete on a tested show the rules state you cannot compete until you've been off prohormones for three years, or steroids for five.

You are playing by the rules but you're really not truly natty at that point.



Are you Fûcking serious?
Matt ogus is like 5'7 170lbs. He's natty.
If you think it takes drugs to look like that, you're wrong.

Maybe if he was 205 at that leanness, I'd question it.

Pro tip: just because someone looks better than you, doesn't mean they're on or have taken steroids.



They're not natty, just look at them.
I know you can say that's against my above logic but you don't get 230+ and lean like that without gear.
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yeah when your their age and yoked as **** with super low body fat and arms as big as walrus dicks you're not natty
 
Messer said:
yeah when your their age and yoked as **** with super low body fat and arms as big as walrus dicks you're not natty
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Who are you talking about, Ogus? He's not big.
or are you talking about ct and cali ? Also I edited my above post, check it out.
 
aceroni said:
OP, to compete on a tested show the rules state you cannot compete until you've been off prohormones for three years, or steroids for five.

You are playing by the rules but you're really not truly natty at that point.

Are you Fûcking serious?
Matt ogus is like 5'7 170lbs. He's natty.
If you think it takes drugs to look like that, you're wrong.

Maybe if he was 205 at that leanness, I'd question it.

Pro tip: just because someone looks better than you, doesn't mean they're on or have taken steroids.

Honestly though I do question Ryan Dorris.
Not because he's huge but because he's made so much progress in like what, five years??
But then again he is black- he could be natty

They're not natty, just look at them.
I know you can say that's against my above logic but you don't get 230+ and lean like that without gear.
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Calm down. Jesus Who lite the fuze to your tampon? I was unaware he weighed 170. I don't look up every other dudes stats. But seriously we've all seen his videos on steroid use. It wouldn't surprise me if has taken them at one point or another. There are plenty of people who weigh less and look worse than him on gear, there is no way to know for sure. Unless you have surprise tested him? Or are really close friends with him? Your not? Oh, we'll then quit sucking his dick. And yeah he does look better than me, because he's a bodybuilder, I'm not? Your point?
 
My buddy brags about himself being all natty, he is, but it's ****ing annoying when he says it 24/7. Who gives a ****.
 
Im 5,9" and 190lbs. If I ripped all down I would be about 177-180lbs all naturally, but then again, we all know this shyt isnt all about getting size. I just think their conditioning are too ripped to be all natural.

Guess Im going to stay natty for the time being. Took 2 caps ostarine today, but im not going to continue tomorrow.
 
prebzmaister said:
Im 5,9" and 190lbs. If I ripped all down I would be about 177-180lbs all naturally, but then again, we all know this shyt isnt all about getting size. I just think their conditioning are too ripped to be all natural. Guess Im going to stay natty for the time being. Took 2 caps ostarine today, but im not going to continue tomorrow.
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No. To be "ripped down" is going to be more like 170-175. Also, you're not going to have "the look" which is the dry 3D look
 
ion26 said:
No. To be "ripped down" is going to be more like 170-175. Also, you're not going to have "the look" which is the dry 3D look
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Bodyfat around 11% now.

Well im only 19 years old, and there is no testing or natural shows in norway, so i have plenty of time to choose. The stuff dosent expire that fast either i guess.
 
Reps I wasn't trying to offend you.

But in that picture ogus isn't that big.

and I've gotten to that conditioning, naturally.
You have to remember that photo has a filter and heavy lighting.
 
aceroni said:
Reps I wasn't trying to offend you.

But in that picture ogus isn't that big.

and I've gotten to that conditioning, naturally.
You have to remember that photo has a filter and heavy lighting.
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now that you've said it we all want to see you looking that absolutely shredded. Can't say you don't have a picture because everyone in the history of working out would take as many pictures as possible being that ripped up
 
You know, there are more things that steroids do other than gettin u big. They get u lean too.

That fella at 170lbs, who knows what he's on.

I'd also remind folks that these "natty" guys are often using GH products, peptides, DNP, Clen, T3 and synthol to make up for the lack of androgens.
Its comical to call urself natty when u regularly use those compounds I mentioned above. In fact, those above should be considered an even bigger effort of cheating than just using steroids.
 
aceroni said:
Reps I wasn't trying to offend you.

But in that picture ogus isn't that big.

and I've gotten to that conditioning, naturally.
You have to remember that photo has a filter and heavy lighting.
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True, I didnt think about that. Proper lighting goes a LONG way to reveal striations and 3D look.
 
fueledpassion said:
You know, there are more things that steroids do other than gettin u big. They get u lean too.

That fella at 170lbs, who knows what he's on.

I'd also remind folks that these "natty" guys are often using GH products, peptides, DNP, Clen, T3 and synthol to make up for the lack of androgens.
Its comical to call urself natty when u regularly use those compounds I mentioned above. In fact, those above should be considered an even bigger effort of cheating than just using steroids.
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Yeah using that and competing in tested shows is downright cheating.
It's ok to use that stuff, in a non tested show

fueledpassion said:
True, I didnt think about that. Proper lighting goes a LONG way to reveal striations and 3D look.
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I'm just saying his physique is very attainable, without steroids. I'm not Dick riding him saying oh of course he's natty, i'm saying he's not that big. I'd like to think he actually did that naturally.

Not to mention there's probably an Instagram filter making everything pop more.

As for the photo, i'm not at home right now, i'm at my girlfriends house. I can get you one in a day or I can copy and paste one from the internet with poor quality. And you have to remember mine won't have that magic filter.
 
Ogus have been lifting a long time, too. I'd like to think he's natty, but who really knows. He does get damn lean though.
 
Natty or not they stl work and diet hard. I like ogus but I hate ct fletcher and kali muscle who claim natty. Lol kali breaks the 1g of test rule
 
fueledpassion said:
He breakin the 2g test rule, lol.
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how did he stay so yoked inside prison though? yeah you can get some drugs but a steady supply of gear would be impossible
 
Messer said:
now that you've said it we all want to see you looking that absolutely shredded. Can't say you don't have a picture because everyone in the history of working out would take as many pictures as possible being that ripped up
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I second this.
 
aceroni said:
Reps I wasn't trying to offend you.

But in that picture ogus isn't that big.

and I've gotten to that conditioning, naturally.
You have to remember that photo has a filter and heavy lighting.
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Ok. I get what your saying.
But honestly, I remember back in high school even, the top lifters where on gear. (Why I know? I was friends with them lol). stop thinking the best of people, they will always let you down.
You say Matt isn't that big? For his weight class I'd say he's doin pretty good. IMO
 
reps4jesus said:
Ok. I get what your saying.
But honestly, I remember back in high school even, the top lifters where on gear. (Why I know? I was friends with them lol). stop thinking the best of people, they will always let you down.
You say Matt isn't that big? For his weight class I'd say he's doin pretty good. IMO
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For his height also, that's a good size weight.

I was pretty close to being as shredded as he was but then again i was only 145 lbs at 5'5" natural...
 
Hard.Gainer said:
For his height also, that's a good size weight.

I was pretty close to being as shredded as he was but then again i was only 145 lbs at 5'5" natural...
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I guess that puts me on track for bein "thick".

Granted, I aint exactly shredded atm. My goal is 190lbs @ 12% BF. I'm 5'5".

That would pave the way for a 178-180lb contest ready at 5-6% BF.

Could never be accomplished natty though. At the very least, a ph cycle here and there with peptides and fat burners.
 
fueledpassion said:
Thanks. I appreciate the sermon. I find it all a bit hypocritical anyways. Typically, people that look down on others are also the same people that have an inaccurate (and certainly inflated) view of themselves. For every needle that I (or my doc) has plunged into my thigh there are equal (and often times) greater detestable things that these bitter natty guys have done as well. If PED's is the worst thing I've done to harm this world, then I count it a blessing.
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I'm sorry man but what? Lol "bitter natty guys." I'm failing to see how morals and ethics outside of the gym have anything to do with or without steroid use. Maybe you have morals but to say that natural weight lifters do detestable things? Is this seriously the thread against natural weight lifters? I've never seen people rage against others for not injecting drugs into themselves. But seriously..I doubt you're a saint either. Maybe I'm just confused I'm having a hard time understanding your post. I see steroid users looking down on others daily at my gym. They're the ones with the inflated egos walking around like their shyt doesn't stink. Now imagine someone who's on TRT all of the sudden had to go off and their test levels plummeted. They lost all their gains, started getting fat, lost strength and looked like absolute crap. How can someone in that position say that the drug isn't a key player in how they look. As a matter of fact for those individuals the drug is the only reason they look the way they do. Then take a natural with low test levels and he works his ass off to get in great shape. No matter what he does it fails. To say that hormones don't make a HUGE difference is just being ignorant . Maybe protecting one's ego because they know without them they'd just look normal and they can't stand the thought of that.
 
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