11oxo vs x-gels which is better for burning belly fat?

one is anabolic and other is natural
one requires support sups and pct other doesnt

11oxo heavy dose (like 6-10caps/day) will be nice fat burner

xgels with good diet at 4-6days pre workout will do the same trick

all depends on if your looking to run a ph/roid cycle or wanna stay natty
 
GQNemesis said:
one is anabolic and other is natural
one requires support sups and pct other doesnt

11oxo heavy dose (like 6-10caps/day) will be nice fat burner

xgels with good diet at 4-6days pre workout will do the same trick

all depends on if your looking to run a ph/roid cycle or wanna stay natty
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I dunno. Would it? With same diet?

Apples and oranges here.
 
I would go with x factor. If I am going to use an anabolic, might as well use a stronger one IMO.
 
Mission1 said:
I would stack em.
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If funds allowed, this would be awesome. Or start ArA half way through the 11 oxo and run it through PCT.
 
I think the reduction in cortisol related to 11oxo use is the culprit behind the visceral fat loss. not sure what the moa for fat loss in ara may be, but people love how lean they get on it...
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
I think the reduction in cortisol related to 11oxo use is the culprit behind the visceral fat loss. not sure what the moa for fat loss in ara may be, but people love how lean they get on it...
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Probably from increased protein synthesis with proper training for ArA? I can't really think of anything else that could possible explain this anecdotal experience.

I've ran ArA twice, have not noticed any leaning effects personally.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
I think the reduction in cortisol related to 11oxo use is the culprit behind the visceral fat loss. not sure what the moa for fat loss in ara may be, but people love how lean they get on it...
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Even then id rather stay natural and use reduce xt
 
warbird01 said:
I would go with x factor. If I am going to use an anabolic, might as well use a stronger one IMO.
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Absolutely, X-Factor has a lot of very positive feedback for fat loss and recomp.
 
kissdadookie said:
Probably from increased protein synthesis with proper training for ArA? I can't really think of anything else that could possible explain this anecdotal experience.

I've ran ArA twice, have not noticed any leaning effects personally.
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May be from brown fat cell formation.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
I think the reduction in cortisol related to 11oxo use is the culprit behind the visceral fat loss. not sure what the moa for fat loss in ara may be, but people love how lean they get on it...
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I think it acts as a mild diuretic as well but this is only conjecture on my part due to personal experience.
 
kissdadookie said:
Probably from increased protein synthesis with proper training for ArA? I can't really think of anything else that could possible explain this anecdotal experience.

I've ran ArA twice, have not noticed any leaning effects personally.
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BC it will be more noticeable with forskolin. Alone you won't see much from my experience.

It's more of a weight gainer/recomp
 
Im getting ready to log xfactor with a restricted calorie diet, imma put it to the test
 
kissdadookie said:
Explain explain please. Or are the anecdotal feedback for ArA having leaning effects placebo? Am curious on this purported aspect of ArA.
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ArA has minimal leaning effect honestly. There's some in vitro data, but the bottom line is that ARA is a precursor to tons of different signaling pathways. Supplementation should theoretically amplify whatever you​ are inducing
 
mr.cooper69 said:
ArA has minimal leaning effect honestly. There's some in vitro data, but the bottom line is that ARA is a precursor to tons of different signaling pathways. Supplementation should theoretically amplify whatever you are inducing
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Stacking it with forsk would give the lean effect.
 
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