What kind of protein blend would you buy

[Rostam]

pF3 is very expensive for what it is. Over $50 for 125grams of bovine albumin protein concentrate. They claim 1 scoop (3grams) of their protein = 25 scoops (25x 30 grams) of high quality protein. But where is the proof? I wanted to try Bovine plasma concentrate many years ago but never found any real proof that it could add any benefit over conventional proteins or in addition to them. Same for colostrum.

 

[T-Bone]

I drink milk and eat meat, eggs, fish.

Milk has the perfect ratio of whey/casein.
Whole foods sir.

Fixed.

 

[aaronuconn]

I buy whey isolate and casein.

I can blend them when I want how much I want.

That works just as well.

 

[mpaquett]

pF3 is very expensive for what it is. Over $50 for 125grams of bovine albumin protein concentrate. They claim 1 scoop (3grams) of their protein = 25 scoops (25x 30 grams) of high quality protein. But where is the proof? I wanted to try Bovine plasma concentrate many years ago but never found any real proof that it could add any benefit over conventional proteins or in addition to them. Same for colostrum.

It's actually not a direct comparison of protein, but the bioactive value of said proteins. PF3 is not a conventional protein powder, as it is not meant as a means to fill calories/macros, and that's where people usually go wrong with understanding PF3.

My diet right now consists of whole foods, mainly chicken and eggs, and PF3 (2-4scps a day). I haven't purchased a jug of conventional protein powder in months. I was taking Titanium Whey, but then I realized it was 17% glutamic acid and only like 4g leucine per 100g. That's a guess because I don't recall exactly, but I feel as though it's close. Conventional powders have to many additives and fillers now days that I'm sick of wasting money on. There are very few protein powders I'd spend my money on anymore.

 

[KrisL]

The blend I order is 35% Beef Protein Isolate, 35% Gemma Pea Protein Isolate, 30% Milk Dairy Isolate, Protease Additive.

 

[Touey]

The blend I order is 35% Beef Protein Isolate, 35% Gemma Pea Protein Isolate, 30% Milk Dairy Isolate, Protease Additive.

You know, I think that's what killed Curly.

 

[KrisL]

Curly Bill?

 

[Touey]

Curly Howard?

him too

 

[KrisL]

Am I going to die Touey?

 

[blacklac]

I don't mean to hijack or go OT, but what about a blend vs whey + milk? Is it really worth looking specifically for a blend if you always use milk?

 

[snagencyV2.0]

I don't mean to hijack or go OT

how can you hi-jack an old thread from last month that was just freshly bumped yesterday?

anyway, what an interesting (read: I am being ironic) thread here..
much the same as all the other "best protein powder/latest scientific research/macro formula/etc etc etc" threads that appear left & right these days...

I wonder how in the world guys of old, back in the day, ever managed to get along without all of this anal, science-y constructed mumbo jumbo, and still get big & huge? couldn't be all the real food they ate, the steady diet of eggs and steak (among other things), the dedication and consistency of training, the refraining from poor habits that hinders muscle-building and bodycomp (like drugs and drinking)....
you know -- all the things that seemed to be embraced more in our society, before the age of "find the shortcut cuz everything is now online, and you can look it up and save yourself all that hard physical effort" that now seems to be prominent in our ever-increasing lazy and short-cut society..

nah, it HAS to be some secret recipe that science has now unleashed and unearthed, and taught us all the proper way.....

you guys should just quit sitting behind you computer and attempting to be all intellectual and anal in your dissections, and go eat some quality real foods, while manning the fawk up and hitting some weights consistently, intensely, and passionately

what a waste of time

 

[Touey]

I don't mean to hijack or go OT, but what about a blend vs whey + milk? Is it really worth looking specifically for a blend if you always use milk?

Pozole will put hair on your chest other than that there is no one rickshaw to rome nor best for all but real women also eat steak

 

[blacklac]

blah blah blah

Have a Snicker's...

 

[KrisL]

Steak and Eggs and Eggs and Steak: That's what you should have for breakfast! Delicious!
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I'm a big fan of food (my freezer is 50% ribeye, no hyperbole), but when I experimented with psmf, I wanted a blend so I figured one out. I didn't think hard about it, or pick any of it from pubmed... Just picked the proteins I liked, nixed ones with lactose, nixed the expensive ones, and cut out the ones that mixed bad, then figured out a ratio that fit my budget.

 

[Touey]

Steak and Eggs and Eggs and Steak: That's what you should have for breakfast! Delicious!
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I'm a big fan of food (my freezer is 50% ribeye, no hyperbole), but when I experimented with psmf, I wanted a blend so I figured one out. I didn't think hard about it, or pick any of it from pubmed... Just nicked the proteins I liked, nicked ones with lactose, nicked the expensive ones, and cut out the ones that mixed bad, then figured out a ratio that fit my budget.

then you should hope they acclimatize your taste when sent to jail

 

[KrisL]

I can't go to juvie! They use guys like me as currency!

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[Touey]

I do not always have shakes but when I do it is with

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Description
100% Natural
26 g / Serving of Protein
Providing Fast-Action Whey Protein Isolate
Plus Extended-Action Micellar Casein
Derived from Grass-Fed Cows Not Treated with rBGH or Antibiotics†
Microfiltered
No Artificial Sweeteners/Flavors
No Added Sugar
Low Sodium/Cholesterol
Gluten Free
Dietary Supplement
Instantized Powder
Bluebonnet's 100% Natural Dual-Action Protein is sourced from grass-fed cows that are not treated with antibiotics and recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH), also known as bovine somatotropin (BST)†. Additionally, this product provides a dynamic blend of whey protein isolate and micellar casein that works throughout your workout and during the recovery phase at night. Whey protein isolate has the highest biological value (BV) of any protein on the market, which refers to a protein that has all the necessary essential amino acids for protein biosynthesis and is fast-acting to support amino acid replenishment required during and after strenuous activities. Plus, this revolutionary protein formula includes extended-action micellar casein that works well beyond strenuous activities to continually rebuild broken down muscle. While both whey protein isolate and micellar casein are rich sources of branched chain amino acids (BCAAs) and glutamic acid, whey protein isolate alone provides the naturally occurring immunoglobulins that help support the immune system, which is transiently depressed during strenuous activity.
Unlike the common practice of using heat-processed whey protein isolate and micellar casein that can denature (render useless) the protein and immunoglobulins, Bluebonnet employs a special low-temperature, microfiltration process that removes excess fat while leaving the protein undenatured and immunoglobulins intact.

 

[T-Bone]

how can you hi-jack an old thread from last month that was just freshly bumped yesterday?

anyway, what an interesting (read: I am being ironic) thread here..
much the same as all the other "best protein powder/latest scientific research/macro formula/etc etc etc" threads that appear left & right these days...

I wonder how in the world guys of old, back in the day, ever managed to get along without all of this anal, science-y constructed mumbo jumbo, and still get big & huge? couldn't be all the real food they ate, the steady diet of eggs and steak (among other things), the dedication and consistency of training, the refraining from poor habits that hinders muscle-building and bodycomp (like drugs and drinking)....
you know -- all the things that seemed to be embraced more in our society, before the age of "find the shortcut cuz everything is now online, and you can look it up and save yourself all that hard physical effort" that now seems to be prominent in our ever-increasing lazy and short-cut society..

nah, it HAS to be some secret recipe that science has now unleashed and unearthed, and taught us all the proper way.....

you guys should just quit sitting behind you computer and attempting to be all intellectual and anal in your dissections, and go eat some quality real foods, while manning the fawk up and hitting some weights consistently, intensely, and passionately

what a waste of time

Drinking your protein in specific combinations is 80 percent more anabolic than actually eating food...duh...Plus you don't have to waste all that extra effort chewing.

 

[Touey]

I have consumed various and sundry shakes through the course of years and my feeling is that all of them even the best of

them have something of the rock setting up camp sensation which eggs and other "whole foods" do not, nor from my

experience are they best for gains and goals. One may understand the need for a shake in a pinch say thrice a week. Some

though I fear become dependent upon them as geese do bread in the walmart parking lots.

 

[mr.cooper69]

It's actually not a direct comparison of protein, but the bioactive value of said proteins. PF3 is not a conventional protein powder, as it is not meant as a means to fill calories/macros, and that's where people usually go wrong with understanding PF3.

My diet right now consists of whole foods, mainly chicken and eggs, and PF3 (2-4scps a day). I haven't purchased a jug of conventional protein powder in months. I was taking Titanium Whey, but then I realized it was 17% glutamic acid and only like 4g leucine per 100g. That's a guess because I don't recall exactly, but I feel as though it's close. Conventional powders have to many additives and fillers now days that I'm sick of wasting money on. There are very few protein powders I'd spend my money on anymore.

We are aware that ALL whey is largely composed of glutamate, correct? Saying that's a bad thing would rule out virtually all protein you eat...

 

[mpaquett]

We are aware that ALL whey is largely composed of glutamate, correct? Saying that's a bad thing would rule out virtually all protein you eat...

Yes, but I wasn't aware it was that much and had that little of a leucine content. That was the point of my post. I never said it was a bad thing merely stated it wasn't what I was looking for.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Yes, but I wasn't aware it was that much and had that little of a leucine content. That was the point of my post. I never said it was a bad thing merely stated it wasn't what I was looking for.

I still don't understand. Do you eat protein in your diet, period? The leucine content and glutamic acid of titanium whey is virtually the same as any other protein you eat. You are essentially saying no food with protein is what you're looking for save for WPI and free form amino acids. Am I missing something?

 

[mpaquett]

I still don't understand. Do you eat protein in your diet, period? The leucine content and glutamic acid of titanium whey is virtually the same as any other protein you eat. You are essentially saying no food with protein is what you're looking for save for WPI and free form amino acids. Am I missing something?

Seriously Coop? You're going to take it that far out of context? That wasn't what I was ever saying. I was merely stating I don't have any interest, or need, for protein powders right now because I consume enough protein from whole foods.

 

[mr.cooper69]

Seriously Coop? You're going to take it that far out of context? That wasn't what I was ever saying. I was merely stating I don't have any interest, or need, for protein powders right now because I consume enough protein from whole foods.

Well then that's fair, but that's not what I read. You can check the response to your rep message for further clarification

 

[Jiigzz]

how can you hi-jack an old thread from last month that was just freshly bumped yesterday?

anyway, what an interesting (read: I am being ironic) thread here..
much the same as all the other "best protein powder/latest scientific research/macro formula/etc etc etc" threads that appear left & right these days...

I wonder how in the world guys of old, back in the day, ever managed to get along without all of this anal, science-y constructed mumbo jumbo, and still get big & huge? couldn't be all the real food they ate, the steady diet of eggs and steak (among other things), the dedication and consistency of training, the refraining from poor habits that hinders muscle-building and bodycomp (like drugs and drinking)....
you know -- all the things that seemed to be embraced more in our society, before the age of "find the shortcut cuz everything is now online, and you can look it up and save yourself all that hard physical effort" that now seems to be prominent in our ever-increasing lazy and short-cut society..

nah, it HAS to be some secret recipe that science has now unleashed and unearthed, and taught us all the proper way.....

you guys should just quit sitting behind you computer and attempting to be all intellectual and anal in your dissections, and go eat some quality real foods, while manning the fawk up and hitting some weights consistently, intensely, and passionately

what a waste of time

I like the majority of your post here Snags. As an exercise science student (physiology, biomechanics and strength and conditioning) it is my job to dissect things in an intellectual fashion - unfortunately all the passion, consistency and intensity and the world can not stop people being moronic/oblivious in terms of progression, work:rest ratios, posture and other things and so being 'anal' sometimes can literally change peoples lives; not to mention this is a forum to discuss such trivial matters

However I do agree ( I mentioned this in another thread) that people get far to caught up in the smallest of details and place far to much stock in the small stuff whilst simultaneously overlooking the more important bigger stuff.

I.e. is your training optimal? Does it progress adequately? Does it utilize but not bastardize Advanced Overload Techniques? Are you hitting your calorie and macronutrient goals? Do you know if you are? (i.e. are you measuring it or just 'guesstimating), do you keep a log? Do you have a training plan? Are you resting adequetely? and so on and so forth.

For every one person that is successful in building an impressive physique or becoming "Strong like bull", there are another thousand who are no better than they were when they first started. Thus passion, intensity and passion are not pre-requisites for growth but are merely a good place to start.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

I like the majority of your post here Snags. As an exercise science student (physiology, biomechanics and strength and conditioning) it is my job to dissect things in an intellectual fashion - unfortunately all the passion, consistency and intensity and the world can not stop people being moronic/oblivious in terms of progression, work:rest ratios, posture and other things and so being 'anal' sometimes can literally change peoples lives; not to mention this is a forum to discuss such trivial matters

tho we circle on different grounds and order of our requisites so-to-speak, I think we agree more than what appears to meets the eye, jiigzz..kinda like that imprint in automobile outside mirrors, "objects in mirror are closer than they appear"
we simply have different way of going about much the same things
a good example is the boldened part of your response above; I will say, conversely, that no matter how much scientific thought or programmed "formulas" go into the approach, to get the kind of physique that most say they want on here (classic: "gain muscle while losing weight") -- this CANNOT be done, without concurrent mentioned passion, consistency and intensity ... I am of the opinion that, let's fix the desire first, and understand there is work to be done, before we move on to more experienced matters of changing the finites of the approach

However I do agree ( I mentioned this in another thread) that people get far to caught up in the smallest of details and place far to much stock in the small stuff whilst simultaneously overlooking the more important bigger stuff.

exactly, my friend....exactly :yup:

For every one person that is successful in building an impressive physique or becoming "Strong like bull", there are another thousand who are no better than they were when they first started. Thus passion, intensity and passion are not pre-requisites for growth but are merely a good place to start.

basically I agree - with the explanation that of those 1000s that have failed, it is because they do not work hard enough, and expect to find magic in all these algebraic formulary equations, much like most ppl view supplements in general to be "magic bullets" and "miracle pills" that eliminate the any necessity for hard work and effort, let alone dietary considerations of whole foods

cheers, mate

 

[snagencyV2.0]

Drinking your protein in specific combinations is 80 percent more anabolic than actually eating food...duh...Plus you don't have to waste all that extra effort chewing.

studies show that all that chewing burns an average of 2% addtl bf per week
why is it you think that all the cut-up ppl, chew gum? :trout:

 

[Jiigzz]

tho we circle on different grounds and order of our requisites so-to-speak, I think we agree more than what appears to meets the eye, jiigzz..kinda like that imprint in automobile outside mirrors, "objects in mirror are closer than they appear"
we simply have different way of going about much the same things
a good example is the boldened part of your response above; I will say, conversely, that no matter how much scientific thought or programmed "formulas" go into the approach, to get the kind of physique that most say they want on here (classic: "gain muscle while losing weight") -- this CANNOT be done, without concurrent mentioned passion, consistency and intensity ... I am of the opinion that, let's fix the desire first, and understand there is work to be done, before we move on to more experienced matters of changing the finites of the approach
exactly, my friend....exactly :yup:

basically I agree - with the explanation that of those 1000s that have failed, it is because they do not work hard enough, and expect to find magic in all these algebraic formulary equations, much like most ppl view supplements in general to be "magic bullets" and "miracle pills" that eliminate the any necessity for hard work and effort, let alone dietary considerations of whole foods

cheers, mate

Believe it or not, after always reading your comments in threads about 'majoring in the minors', I actually decided to place far greater stock in the 'majors' and voila, improvements came rather quickly. So for that, I thank you.

Seriously too