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Is there an acceptable form of honey we can eat if fat loss is the goal?
U mean the one thats set?Get real honey, not the liquid(syrupy) crap.
I count down the days till my next cheat meal..I have a major sweet tooth thats all, what do u do if you crave something sweet?
This! I do not have honey during a cut, but that doesn't mean you couldn't... I would add it in post workout, as your body utilizes the fast acting carbohydrates better then than the slower acting...I count down the days till my next cheat meal..
Than I go hard my friend!! U can polish off six doughnuts , and a container of ice cream all in one sitting...
After a huge sweet fix, I'm usually good for the week..
Honesty is the best policy!Ok ok, I will b honest ....
My cheat meal is on saturdays, but even a month out I was mega craving sweets by Wednesday...
So I would break down n have a piece of dark chocolate and a diet Pepsi , ha ha...
What helped me with stopping at just one piece was the protein I consumed prior to my guilty pleasure...
This! The only thing I can think of is supplementing honey in post workout, since your body craves simple carbs... other than that... i got nothing...Really? In what regard? Where did you get the info honey can help weight loss?
Ha, nope guess you can't! My favorite way to eat sweet potatoes is to peel one, dice it to 1/2" chunks or so, microwave it, then sprinkle a packet of Splenda over them followed by some cinnamon. No extra calories and it tastes great. To be honest I still haven't figured out a good way to spice up broccoli :/But honey tastes better.... I can't drizzle broccoli over my sweet potatoe fries
There is a thread somewhere around here that I gave a list of a lot of things I make when I get a sweet tooth. If its right after training I indulge a "little" but if its after dinner my main go to thing now is a protein brownie.I have a major sweet tooth thats all, what do u do if you crave something sweet?
How do you think diabetics are made? There is plenty of research out there showing the detrimental effects of sugar on the human body, it's effects on the brain etc. I don't think that, just because you can't immediately see or feel the effects of something, you can say with 100% certainty that it's not doing your health any harm.There's nothing wrong with honey, or even pure sugar, on a diet. You should have a calorie goal, and if you want honey, just eat it and note how many calories it has. The only "problem" with calorie dense foods when dieting is that they don't provide much satiety nor much volume, so you use up your daily allotment of calories quickly. For example a squirt of honey probably has the same calories as a whole cup or two of broccoli. Which do you think will keep you fuller for longer? No need to avoid sugars unless you're diabetic!
There's some validity to that. But I digress ;How do you think diabetics are made? There is plenty of research out there showing the detrimental effects of sugar on the human body, it's effects on the brain etc. I don't think that, just because you can't immediately see or feel the effects of something, you can say with 100% certainty that it's not doing your health any harm.
That being said, I do think that there may be some benefit to keeping your blood sugar levels stable if you're looking to lose weight. You'll feel a lot more satiated if you keep your blood sugar levels stable without extreme peaks and troughs.
Many bodybuilders develop hyperinsulinemia as a result of the 'no need to avoid sugars so lets constantly spike our insulin with simple carbs and whey' mentality. I think there's definitely more than one way to skin a cat (the cat being optimal body composition) and sometimes the old thinking of needing to get carbs in post workout, etc. with a protein shake may not be as accurate as we first thought.
The kind you eat. Just fit it in.Is there an acceptable form of honey we can eat if fat loss is the goal?
Actually, I used to think a high GI diet led to diabetes also, however this has never been proven in research. Check this article:How do you think diabetics are made? There is plenty of research out there showing the detrimental effects of sugar on the human body, it's effects on the brain etc. I don't think that, just because you can't immediately see or feel the effects of something, you can say with 100% certainty that it's not doing your health any harm.
That being said, I do think that there may be some benefit to keeping your blood sugar levels stable if you're looking to lose weight. You'll feel a lot more satiated if you keep your blood sugar levels stable without extreme peaks and troughs.
Many bodybuilders develop hyperinsulinemia as a result of the 'no need to avoid sugars so lets constantly spike our insulin with simple carbs and whey' mentality. I think there's definitely more than one way to skin a cat (the cat being optimal body composition) and sometimes the old thinking of needing to get carbs in post workout, etc. with a protein shake may not be as accurate as we first thought.
I do this on wheat round bread. Fix it the day before and put it in the refrigeratorPeanut butter and honey sandwiches are one of my favorite post-workout meals.
Or weight gain depending on your caloric intake vs calories neededYes,
Honey is the best way to loss fat on your body. Everyday morning (before take any breakfast) you take one glass of water and mix 2 spoon of honey and drink it. It will be helpful to loss weight.
Form? 100% pure. Dont go for that china imported or 98% corn syrup stuff. Keep it low though, while the GI of honey is lower and has some antimicrobial properties its still sugar. In fact honey gets its sweetness from the monosaccharides fructose and glucose (just like sugar), and has approximately the same relative sweetness as granulated sugar. So 64 cals a tablespoon or so.Is there an acceptable form of honey we can eat if fat loss is the goal?
Oatmeal is sugar too at the end of the day.Form? 100% pure. Dont go for that china imported or 98% corn syrup stuff. Keep it low though, while the GI of honey is lower and has some antimicrobial properties its still sugar. In fact honey gets its sweetness from the monosaccharides fructose and glucose (just like sugar), and has approximately the same relative sweetness as granulated sugar. So 64 cals a tablespoon or so.
No its not, not even remotely close. A carb yes, but not a sugar. Carbohydrates include compounds composed of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. "Sugars" are almost always monosaccharides that are wholy or in part glucose, fructose, and galactose but can also include disaccharides. By your definition fiber is sugar, yet many forms aren't broken down by the body in any form or just as SCFAs. Its this kind of talk that confuses things. Do oats include some sugars, sure but also include some protein, fiber, small amount of fat depending on processing, etc. In fact in the whole groats I flake (Bob's Red Mill) the label shows 1 gram of sugar vs the 2.5 of fat and 7 grams of oats, both which are so low people rarely know it contains them.Oatmeal is sugar too at the end of the day.
I didn't say fiber is glucose. However oats have more than just fiber.No its not, not even remotely close. A carb yes, but not a sugar. Carbohydrates include compounds composed of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. "Sugars" are almost always monosaccharides that are wholy or in part glucose, fructose, and galactose but can also include disaccharides. By your definition fiber is sugar, yet many forms aren't broken down by the body in any form or just as SCFAs. Its this kind of talk that confuses things. Do oats include some sugars, sure but also include some protein, fiber, small amount of fat depending on processing, etc. In fact in the whole groats I flake (Bob's Red Mill) the label shows 1 gram of sugar vs the 2.5 of fat and 7 grams of oats, both which are so low people rarely know it contains them.
This isn't to jump your butt about the sugar arguement but we need to stop with the insanity that people are saying that leads to this midseat that HFCS and whole oats are the same thing so I might as well drink a 2 liter of soda for recovery. You MIGHT get away with that if you have juge glycogen stores but for your average dieter/beginning lifter you're setting them up for failure.
I should also note dieting is 95% psychological when it is called "hard" things like fiber will fill you up and I'm not saying avoid it. I'm just saying flexible dieting is better for most of the users asking for advice on these fourms. Especially contest prep.I didn't say fiber is glucose. However oats have more than just fiber.
Yeah understandable. And to some degree I'm slowly warming up to the carb is a carb is a carb discussion, particially post WO. However point is theres alot of people out there talking themselves into bad choices cause they think all carbs are equal. Besides fiber and complexity we hashed out think about fructose. Due to how the liver processes this fructose doesn't refill mucle glycogen from what I understand. So if thats the case is it any wonder that switching kids diets from sugar (one glucuse, one fructose) to HFCS (dual fructose) wouldn't have a huge impact? Think about it kiddo plays all day, does soccer after school, then we load them up with HFCS which spills over easily ut leaves thier bodies wanting more carbs. Again I could have it wrong but thats what the pubmeds I'm reading suggest. So with that said one could argue even subsets of various simple carbs could make a difference.I should also note dieting is 95% psychological when it is called "hard" things like fiber will fill you up and I'm not saying avoid it. I'm just saying flexible dieting is better for most of the users asking for advice on these fourms. Especially contest prep.
Yes. HFCS has not been studied except for In sedentary people. If your active and take care of yourself*know when and how to diet* you shouldn't and don't have to limit fructose or HFCS to such a severe degree.Yeah understandable. And to some degree I'm slowly warming up to the carb is a carb is a carb discussion, particially post WO. However point is theres alot of people out there talking themselves into bad choices cause they think all carbs are equal. Besides fiber and complexity we hashed out think about fructose. Due to how the liver processes this fructose doesn't refill mucle glycogen from what I understand. So if thats the case is it any wonder that switching kids diets from sugar (one glucuse, one fructose) to HFCS (dual fructose) wouldn't have a huge impact? Think about it kiddo plays all day, does soccer after school, then we load them up with HFCS which spills over easily ut leaves thier bodies wanting more carbs. Again I could have it wrong but thats what the pubmeds I'm reading suggest. So with that said one could argue even subsets of various simple carbs could make a difference.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014579313009228Yes. HFCS has not been studied except for In sedentary people. If your active and take care of yourself*know when and how to diet* you shouldn't and don't have to limit fructose or HFCS to such a severe degree.
Doesn't say if that study is done on trained individuals. Body chemistry works different yet the same. An example is mps and glycogen stores. That's my problem with avoiding fructose of any kind. Most likely in athletes or in the trained fructose will have little to do with fat storage or fat loss. Generally none of the users here want to get under 8% bodyfat. If you think fructose Will slow or stop that it's nonsense. If you're getting ready for a show..sure cut out the fruit but generally won't be an issue. I got to 7% naturally with the help of strawberries, HFCS sauce and bread. My blood work looks great and I will shoot some links back at you in a moment.
Trained or not it wouldn't matter on that cell line.Doesn't say if that study is done on trained individuals. Body chemistry works different yet the same. An example is mps and glycogen stores. That's my problem with avoiding fructose of any kind. Most likely in athletes or in the trained fructose will have little to do with fat storage or fat loss. Generally none of the users here want to get under 8% bodyfat. If you think fructose Will slow or stop that it's nonsense. If you're getting ready for a show..sure cut out the fruit but generally won't be an issue. I got to 7% naturally with the help of strawberries, HFCS sauce and bread. My blood work looks great and I will shoot some links back at you in a moment.
There's another issue with fructose related studies.Trained or not it wouldn't matter on that cell line.
Differentiation they do in different mediums showing the effects on different markers in early and late stages of differention
Basically that study shows increased lipid droplets and triglyceride formation. But the amount to consume per day I didn't see listed In anything
For sure manThere's another issue with fructose related studies.
Most of the fructose studies out there say words like "may and "can" which is far from solid info and some are outright contradictory. They probably won't account for a 3200*my maintenance* diet or my 3600 bulking calories. I will say my fructose in the area of fruits is pre workout. One study in particular studied the consumption of fructose before endurance exercise. It actually states it's a performance boost vs cereal. 26% is big enough for me to try it. Works for me.
Bring home message is try something. Don't cut some food group out before trying it.
On that subject what foods would you focus on to stay more in the palantinose or trehalose catagory? Looking online I really can't find a list of foods in that carb list.For sure man
But I'd rather palantinose or trehalose for that purpose due to the effects it has on insulin.
I'd avoid fructose in a caloric surplus since adipogenic (anabolism) is more likely to occur.
I don't intake THAT much fructose but I feel my carbs are better spent on grains, starches and veggies on a surplus. Although I'm a morning trainee so..my pre workout fruit with cereal and oats or w/e is a keeper. I get about 100 carbs,20g fat and 30 g protein about an hour pre. That will make most people sluggish or throw up lol! Works for me though.For sure man
But I'd rather palantinose or trehalose for that purpose due to the effects it has on insulin.
I'd avoid fructose in a caloric surplus since adipogenic (anabolism) is more likely to occur.
Palantinose (isomaltulose) is found in small amounts in honeyOn that subject what foods would you focus on to stay more in the palantinose or trehalose catagory? Looking online I really can't find a list of foods in that carb list.