1st cycle critique

dmiller707

dmiller707

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10 weeks 250 mg of test e every 3 days

12 weeks .25 mg armidex every other day

also was looking for advice on ptc all feed back is appreciated.
 
seems fine to me, I did every 4 days when I first started.

clomi 50/25/25/25 is fine for your pct
 
Looks great. Don't expect crazy gains like orals though. People expect injectables to be like orals and to blow up 20 lbs in 4 weeks, but it's different. Injectable lead to slower, more sustainable muscle gains.
 
I think you should stack it with an oral you have already used. Don't introduce too many new variables so that you can tell what is doing what.
 
Im 23 5"8 220 lbs about 25 -30 bf . The last 6 mnths ive just been eating and lifting trying to get big and strong .. the the last 5 yrs prior i was competing in martial arts and lifting on and off .
 
dmiller707 said:
Im 23 5"8 220 lbs about 25 -30 bf . The last 6 mnths ive just been eating and lifting trying to get big and strong .. the the last 5 yrs prior i was competing in martial arts and lifting on and off .
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When you have high bodyfat like that, controlling estrogen becomes a lot more challenging. I would do a hard cut before you attempt it, especially if you plan on running something like dbol.

23 is pretty young, but you probably are aware of that.

What does your program look like?
 
Ive been on wendlers 531 for the past 6 mnths , but if i was to cycle i would probally do some sort of push pull legs routine . Ive thought about cutting , but im not to worried about bf right now more concerned with performance.
If i was to run a cycle though it would be test only .
 
Everyone's going to have a different answer. My first test cycle, I cut down to 13% and had such an easier time. 18% I personally feel is where it could be considered.
 
Yeah you don't have to be 8% lol. But the last thing you want is to have to heavily dose AI's just to handle the sides on what should otherwise be an easy cycle. I know fatties who cycle, just as a rule, it's not a bad idea to cut a bit and hopefully make it run smoother.
 
For those who are into general fitness and having a good looking physique year round should never go about 10-11% BF. In the winters you can slowly bulk up to to 11% and then cut down in the spring/summer down to 5-6%. Maintain. Then very slowly up the calories again.

Easier to maintain in the long run and keeps you from having to diet for very long periods
 
ion26 said:
For those who are into general fitness and having a good looking physique year round should never go about 10-11% BF. In the winters you can slowly bulk up to to 11% and then cut down in the spring/summer down to 5-6%. Maintain. Then very slowly up the calories again. Easier to maintain in the long run and keeps you from having to diet for very long periods
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Yea like you said general fitness..most of us here want more than that..way more than that
 
JD261985 said:
Yea like you said general fitness..most of us here want more than that..way more than that
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I don't know about "most of us" by general fitness in talking about guys like Rob Riches, Jeff Seid, Steve Cook, Josef Rakich, Greg Plitt, etc
 
ion26 said:
I don't know about "most of us" by general fitness in talking about guys like Rob Riches, Jeff Seid, Steve Cook, Josef Rakich, Greg Plitt, etc
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Fitness cover models and men's physique competitors. That's "general fitness" huh?


Regardless, the OP wants to be a big and strong. Not a tiny model. He's made that clear.

OP, cut as much as your comfortable, I can pretty much guarantee you the leaner you get when you start the cycle, the more gains youll end up with at the end.
 
Matthersby said:
I still feel like a loser for having never been down to 10%
I don't think I ever would unless I was doing a physique.
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I was 10% when I was competing in martial arts. But honestly bodyfat percentage is such a BS and arbitrary number. It's inaccurately measured, people have zero idea what they're saying, and at the end of the day, a bodybuilder at 5% can still beat a bodybuilder at 3%. The mirror is the real test.
 
Alright thanks for your advice guys ima cut down a bit then maybe cycle in the spring. Ima start a log next week to track my lifting and diet progress leading up.
 
dmiller707 said:
Alright thanks for your advice guys ima cut down a bit then maybe cycle in the spring. Ima start a log next week to track my lifting and diet progress leading up.
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Link that log to here and I'll be happy to help you out and follow along.
 
dmiller707 said:
Alright thanks for your advice guys ima cut down a bit then maybe cycle in the spring. Ima start a log next week to track my lifting and diet progress leading up.
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I'll be right there with ya. Gonna start cutting down as well in the next couple of weeks
 
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