ultradrol nolva and otc

ferrignolou1

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Hallo guys...
I'm just going to start an ultradrol cycle and I have some doubts about my pct since I can not get products like erase.
My cycle will be like this
Milk thistle two weeks before the cycle and during amdafter the cycle.
Ultradrol 8/12/12/12
Nolvadex 50/40/30/20/10/10

Now the question is:
Do you think I'll be fine using a-hd by bpi and some DAA during my pct?
They are the only products I can get! :(
If yes...when should I start to ake them? Thank you guys
 
I have not used A-hd so I can't coment on it. If you like erase and can't find it you have other similar options.

Nolvadren XT
Alphamax
T-X3
AD-3
Etc

Pick your poison

Also I don't think you need to go 6 weeks with Nolva but it won't hurt

Oh and start your pct the day after last Ultradrol dose
 
Yes it is real nolva...I've got two packages of 20 pills of 20mgs.
The problem is that I'm from Italy and I dob't have too much choice with the supplements because most of them are illegal...so do you think I can start my cycle? :) however a-hd is a mix ov various extracts of herbs and minerals. Has anyone had an experience with it? Please answer
 
Again I have not used it but I will say if a-hd is actually Arimedex as it says then it's too strong for pct. Arimedex is more often used on cycle to prevent testosterone conversion to estrogen. Ultradrol does not aromatise so it's not needed on cycle or in pct.

I doubt it actually has arimedex. Looks like a bunch of scientific names for spices lookedng at the label.
 
So I should not use it? I think nolva is not enough as pct...I think I have to add at least DAA.
Other products I can get are evotest and alphatest if this helps
 
ferrignolou1 said:
So I should not use it? I think nolva is not enough as pct...I think I have to add at least DAA.
Other products I can get are evotest and alphatest if this helps
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Are you looking at the ingredients? Evotest has an unknown amount of DAA in it already.

Why do you think Nolva is not enough? Are you gyno prone?
 
No...but I know that nolva just prevents estrogens effects by blocking the estrogen receptors but it doesn't reduces estrogen levels or boosts testosterone production so from what I know once its use is discontinued the estrogens are free to make their effects in the body
 
ferrignolou1 said:
No...but I know that nolva just prevents estrogens effects by blocking the estrogen receptors but it doesn't reduces estrogen levels or boosts testosterone production so from what I know once its use is discontinued the estrogens are free to make their effects in the body
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Well you are half correct. Nolva does help restore natural testosterone levels. I use low dose Formeron in pct to help reduce estrogen. I only use erase and erase like products for cortisol control.


Also not everyone needs an AI in pct. Many don't use an AI for non-aromatise oral cycles like ultradrol.
 
ferrignolou1 said:
but it doesn't reduces estrogen levels or boosts testosterone production
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That's kind of exactly what it does. It kickstarts the HPTA, enabling it to do it's job more effectively: regulate and maintain relatively higher levels of testosterone and lower levels of estrogen.
 
Bro, most the guys on the AAS sites only use nolva, clomid or torem and a AI of course. Most of the don't even believe in any of these otc products. These guys are running 16 - 20 weeks of 1000mg test with tren, dbol and deca.
4 weeks of 12mg msten is not even strong. You will be fine. Msten lowered my estro even on trestabolan.
 
thehogsters said:
Bro, most the guys on the AAS sites only use nolva, clomid or torem and a AI of course. Most of the don't even believe in any of these otc products. These guys are running 16 - 20 weeks of 1000mg test with tren, dbol and deca.
4 weeks of 12mg msten is not even strong. You will be fine. Msten lowered my estro even on trestabolan.
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Really even on trest? How did you dose trest? Considering it for my next sdmz 2.0 cycle.
 
I do like that everyone is becoming so thorough and cautious with well thought out, responsible post cycles because there are ALOT of guys out there that aren't reading these forums and just buying from a gym buddy with no clue of a post cycle and they aren't aware that they can actually keep gains. But seriously, I am starting to see PCTs for a 4 week oral run looking like this:
Clomid x/x/x/x
Nolva
DAA
Deer antler spray
Fenugreek
Trib
Horny goat weed+yohimbe
Stinging nettle
Erase
Erase Pro v.12
Testoplexx v. 46
Tropinol
Tropinol XT
Hghup
GHenerate
ZMA
Etc etc etc......

I have tried the super elaborate post cycle with multiple OTC extras and I have had more success with Toremifene at a nice solid dose. Hcg for cycles over 10 weeks.
 
rphash49 said:
Really even on trest? How did you dose trest? Considering it for my next sdmz 2.0 cycle.
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Well I was not taking these mega 100 mg a day doses. I stated at 3 and worked my way up to 7 per day. I did take one erase per day just as a precaution but did not need it. I guess my estro ended up lower cause my elbos were hurting for a while during and after pct. Of course it could just of been the lean extreme. So hard to pin point the cause with taking all this crap.
 
Thanks everybody...I'll start my cycle in some days after the pre load cycle of milk tistle is finished. Thank you again.
If you have any other advice it will be extemely well accepted :)
 
ferrignolou1 said:
Thanks everybody...I'll start my cycle in some days after the pre load cycle of milk tistle is finished. Thank you again.
If you have any other advice it will be extemely well accepted :)
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I like nolva 40/20/20/20... 6 weeks or whatever is not needed
 
Excuse me guys but now I am earing people who are telling me that a nolva only pct whit just daa or whatever is not enoug for an ultradrol cycle...i don't know who believe in!!
I ve also been told that a nolva only pct whithout at least clomid is worthless!!!
I am afraid of losing my libido! What do you think? And if i am going to lose my libido in how much time can I expect a recover? I am extremely confused as you can see!! PLEASE HELP!!
 
ferrignolou1 said:
Excuse me guys but now I am earing people who are telling me that a nolva only pct whit just daa or whatever is not enoug for an ultradrol cycle...i don't know who believe in!!
I ve also been told that a nolva only pct whithout at least clomid is worthless!!!
I am afraid of losing my libido! What do you think? And if i am going to lose my libido in how much time can I expect a recover? I am extremely confused as you can see!! PLEASE HELP!!
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Serms are prescribed by doctors who would give you a dosage plan based on more information then we can possibly know. Weight, age, existing medical conditions, allergies, etc. We can only give advice based on what has worked for us individually. You take on risk using ph/ds and serms. If you don't feel comfortable with that risk then don't use.

That being said most people in these threads swear by Nolva. Nolva should do the trick for most people.

I'm a little more aggressive with my pct then most. Regardless of what I'm running my pct is one of the following:

Clomid/Nolva combo

Or

Torem(pharm grade cost are high)
 
ferrignolou1 said:
Excuse me guys but now I am earing people who are telling me that a nolva only pct whit just daa or whatever is not enoug for an ultradrol cycle...i don't know who believe in!!
I ve also been told that a nolva only pct whithout at least clomid is worthless!!!
I am afraid of losing my libido! What do you think? And if i am going to lose my libido in how much time can I expect a recover? I am extremely confused as you can see!! PLEASE HELP!!
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Take a deep breath, bro. Buy a serm. Take the serm. And let recovery happen. We are very very very thorough and responsible here. That's why our PCTs are elaborate.


P.s. it would happen anyway without a serm usually, but its unpleasant and takes a few months, we just like to speed the process up to not lose those precious gains.
 
Matthersby said:
Take a deep breath, bro. Buy a serm. Take the serm. And let recovery happen. We are very very very thorough and responsible here. That's why our PCTs are elaborate.

P.s. it would happen anyway without a serm usually, but its unpleasant and takes a few months, we just like to speed the process up to not lose those precious gains.
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New bodybuilding movie: Lord of the Gains staring Matthersby as Gollum. My precious gains

I'll be the dwarf cause I just finished a bulk so I'm feeling fat and I hate cardio.
 
ferrignolou1 said:
But nolvadex is already a serm...isn'tit?
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They all work, they all do their job. Guys have been using nolvadex forever. Recently, its become popular practice to run lower dose Clomid/Nolva combo. Seems brilliant. Synergistic and less sides. I love Toremifene, I won't ever use anything else.
 
Matthersby said:
They all work, they all do their job. Guys have been using nolvadex forever. Recently, its become popular practice to run lower dose Clomid/Nolva combo. Seems brilliant. Synergistic and less sides. I love Toremifene, I won't ever use anything else.
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What's the thinking behind toremifene? Do you run it with/in place of nolva & clomid, and how do you dose it?
 
Number 10 said:
What's the thinking behind toremifene? Do you run it with/in place of nolva & clomid, and how do you dose it?
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Torem is a serm. No reported sides. Reboots hpta as well as Clomid and protects from gyno as well as Nolva.
Run it in place of other serm.
Torem 4week 120/90/60/60
6week 120/90/90/60/60/30

Well one side is it makes my balls huge with ridiculous loads.
 
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