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i am for phil

kisaj said:
Now you take issue with someone wanting to be their very best and commenting on it. Strange what you find okay to talk about.

On a site called Anabolic Minds no less.
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lol...strange that you would consider humility a bad thing, being grounded is usually thought of as a good thing. whereas an unchecked ego is usually considered undesireable and arrogant.

yes, even here at anabolic minds most of the guys i know who are striving to be their best for contests exhibit humility and do not consider themselves elitist. they are grounded enough to know that if they don't put in the work they will fall to the back of the pack. i can honestly say that in my years at anabolic minds i have only ran into a very few really arrogant guys on here, and they usually don't stay long. if you want arrogant check out bb.com, plenty of arrogance to go around over there.
 
Your mistake here is equating being elite with arrogance. I am dumbfounded from where in my post did you infer I had a level of arrogance to me but I just ignored it and chalked it up to yohr backwards ass logic that you have been repetitively displaying in this thread

Elite =|= arrogance.

It is possible to have a desire to strive gor greatness while maintaining humility. Maybe for you this seems implausible but I promise you it is possible. It is actually quite funny you find me arrogant though considering if you were to ask most people who know me they would say the complete opposite.

Also I doubt kisaj was suggesting tha humility was a bad thing but instead was more than likely responding to the ridiculousness of your post which was an attempt to criticize me for wanting to be elite.
 
JudoJosh said:
Your mistake here is equating being elite with arrogance. I am dumbfounded from where in my post did you infer I had a level of arrogance to me but I just ignored it and chalked it up to yohr backwards ass logic that you have been repetitively displaying in this thread

Elite =|= arrogance.

It is possible to have a desire to strive gor greatness while maintaining humility. Maybe for you this seems implausible but I promise you it is possible. It is actually quite funny you find me arrogant though considering if you were to ask most people who know me they would say the complete opposite.

Also I doubt kisaj was suggesting tha humility was a bad thing but instead was more than likely responding to the ridiculousness of your post which was an attempt to criticize me for wanting to be elite.
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josh there is no wrong in you nor anyone striving to betterment though please realize being "elite" here has no real status in truth
 
JudoJosh said:
Your mistake here is equating being elite with arrogance. I am dumbfounded from where in my post did you infer I had a level of arrogance to me but I just ignored it and chalked it up to yohr backwards ass logic that you have been repetitively displaying in this thread

Elite =|= arrogance.

It is possible to have a desire to strive gor greatness while maintaining humility. Maybe for you this seems implausible but I promise you it is possible. It is actually quite funny you find me arrogant though considering if you were to ask most people who know me they would say the complete opposite.

Also I doubt kisaj was suggesting tha humility was a bad thing but instead was more than likely responding to the ridiculousness of your post which was an attempt to criticize me for wanting to be elite.
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josh...i doubt anyone would call you humble
 
JudoJosh said:
Your mistake here is equating being elite with arrogance. I am dumbfounded from where in my post did you infer I had a level of arrogance to me but I just ignored it and chalked it up to yohr backwards ass logic that you have been repetitively displaying in this thread

Elite =|= arrogance.

It is possible to have a desire to strive gor greatness while maintaining humility. Maybe for you this seems implausible but I promise you it is possible. It is actually quite funny you find me arrogant though considering if you were to ask most people who know me they would say the complete opposite.

Also I doubt kisaj was suggesting tha humility was a bad thing but instead was more than likely responding to the ridiculousness of your post which was an attempt to criticize me for wanting to be elite.
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Elitist is just one of those dog whistle words like socialist anymore when used politically. It doesn't really mean anything other than what people using it want it to represent in a negative manner. Sadly academics and striving to become more intelligent is basically a put down now for certain people. This is where you get things like the Texas school board trying to ban critical thinking (God I wish I was making that up)

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Advanced degrees, higher order thinking skills, somehow these have become "elitist and better than someone thinking." I'm trying to be better than average in every aspect. It isn't a lack of humility, that's just what I strive to be. I want to be stronger than average, faster than average, jump higher than average, be more intelligent than average. Actually average is a lame metric to use...I'd like to be elite in all those things. I think almost all driven people strive to be elite. One can be humble while still trying to kick the competitions ass.
 
thebigt said:
josh...i doubt anyone would call you humble
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I wouldn't be so sure. It's easy to misjudge people on the internet when all we have are words. JJ is one of the most helpful people on this site consistently and is very quick to advance discussions of scientific nature in regards to supplements. He's easily one of the brighter scientific minds on this forum.
 
Geoforce said:
I wouldn't be so sure. It's easy to misjudge people on the internet when all we have are words. .
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happen to agree very easy misjudging people the internet "Doesn't matter who I am. I know who I am... Do you know who you are?"-Sid
 
Geoforce said:
Elitist is just one of those dog whistle words like socialist anymore when used politically. It doesn't really mean anything other than what people using it want it to represent in a negative manner. Sadly academics and striving to become more intelligent is basically a put down now for certain people. This is where you get things like the Texas school board trying to ban critical thinking (God I wish I was making that up)

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Advanced degrees, higher order thinking skills, somehow these have become "elitist and better than someone thinking." I'm trying to be better than average in every aspect. It isn't a lack of humility, that's just what I strive to be. I want to be stronger than average, faster than average, jump higher than average, be more intelligent than average. Actually average is a lame metric to use...I'd like to be elite in all those things. I think almost all driven people strive to be elite. One can be humble while still trying to kick the competitions ass.
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There has been a very popular trend recently. We should all aspire to intelligence; not belittle it and not let it make us feel inferior. There was a recent study on the distrust of science and the results were depressing to say the least (yet at the same time we lead the world in the number of adults who believe angels are real and deny evolution)
 
Geoforce said:
I wouldn't be so sure. It's easy to misjudge people on the internet when all we have are words. JJ is one of the most helpful people on this site consistently and is very quick to advance discussions of scientific nature in regards to supplements. He's easily one of the brighter scientific minds on this forum.
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awe you make me blush ;)
 
Touey said:
happen to agree very easy misjudging people the internet "Doesn't matter who I am. I know who I am... Do you know who you are?"-Sid
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It can be hard to read and convey emotion for one thing. Not to mention most of us (I'm certainly guilty) can be a bit more passionate on the net than we would in real life with picking "fights" and such. Anonymity and all that. I'd say a lot of us aren't much in real life like we are on here or at the very least it would surprise some people to meet someone in real life and see how they were. Some of us may be more shy, more outgoing, less outspoken, etc.
 
I'm more outspoken in real life.

Btw, Mr. Duck has now advocated 15 and 16 year olds getting married. Another brilliant idea.
 
Piston Honda said:
I'm more outspoken in real life.

Btw, Mr. Duck has now advocated 15 and 16 year olds getting married. Another brilliant idea.
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Juliet is thirteen years old in Shakespeare's primary sources so your Mr. Duck is no Shakespeare
 
JudoJosh said:
There has been a very popular trend recently. We should all aspire to intelligence; not belittle it and not let it make us feel inferior. There was a recent study on the distrust of science and the results were depressing to say the least (yet at the same time we lead the world in the number of adults who believe angels are real and deny evolution)
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A lot of the mistrust I have with a lot of science is that one study will have one finding and another on the same subject matter will show opposite findings. It saddens me that too many "scientists" try to scew the tests to show what they want them to show. Then, once the findings have been released and people accept them as fact, any unbiased study disproving the accepted one is shot down as wrong or swept under the rug, if you will. True science (unbiased) is getting to be rare these days.
 
lukehayd said:
A lot of the mistrust I have with a lot of science is that one study will have one finding and another on the same subject matter will show opposite findings. It saddens me that too many "scientists" try to scew the tests to show what they want them to show. Then, once the findings have been released and people accept them as fact, any unbiased study disproving the accepted one is shot down as wrong or swept under the rug, if you will. True science (unbiased) is getting to be rare these days.
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That's the beauty of science: admitting to not know and to be willing to explore. As opposed to doctrine by desert dwellers who had no idea of physics, cellular structure, meteorology, etc., and yet people on the cusp of 2014 are beholden to those ideas? Bïtch please.
 
Touey said:
Juliet is thirteen years old in Shakespeare's primary sources so your Mr. Duck is no Shakespeare
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How'd that work out for her?
 
JudoJosh said:
It is possible to have a desire to strive gor greatness while maintaining humility. Maybe for you this seems implausible but I promise you it is possible. It is actually quite funny you find me arrogant though considering if you were to ask most people who know me they would say the complete opposite.

Also I doubt kisaj was suggesting tha humility was a bad thing but instead was more than likely responding to the ridiculousness of your post which was an attempt to criticize me for wanting to be elite.
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Precisely. All I read in thebigt's posts at this point, are ways to misconstrue comments to turn them around so he can continue to be "right". They really are just nonsense at this point.
 
Piston Honda said:
That's the beauty of science: admitting to not know and to be willing to explore. As opposed to doctrine by desert dwellers who had no idea of physics, cellular structure, meteorology, etc., and yet people on the cusp of 2014 are beholden to those ideas? Bïtch please.
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Are you asking me to bïtch or calling me a bïtch? Lol!
 
lukehayd said:
Are you asking me to bïtch or calling me a bïtch? Lol!
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Lol, just using a catch phrase! Not referring to a verb or a noun as it regards you.
 
kisaj said:
Precisely. All I read in thebigt's posts at this point, are ways to misconstrue comments to turn them around so he can continue to be "right". They really are just nonsense at this point.
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lol...actually i am the one who is amused.


but it's late, you will get no more nonsense from me tonight....night all!!!
 
lukehayd said:
I watched "The Lone Ranger" yesterday. Complete waste of my time.
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i watched Anna Karenina from America hollywood shenanigan point. Complete waste of my time, read Tolstoy
 
lukehayd said:
I watched "The Lone Ranger" yesterday. Complete waste of my time.
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It wasnt too bad IMO. Im watching "Out of the Furnace" tonight starring the vegan yuppie Casey Affleck (who is also an advocate for veterans but that doesnt matter since he hasnt field dressed a deer before so he is a yuppie which invalidates anything he says or does)
 
JudoJosh said:
It wasnt too bad IMO. Im watching "Out of the Furnace" tonight starring the vegan yuppie Casey Affleck (who is also an advocate for veterans)
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Maybe it just wasn't what I was hoping for but I should have known what to expect with Johnny Depp.
 
JudoJosh said:
It wasnt too bad IMO. Im watching "Out of the Furnace" tonight starring the vegan yuppie Casey Affleck (who is also an advocate for veterans)
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and we sure all veteran out fight his rights sure thank out Casey for he benevolence
 
This thread is so vile.

I don't agree with phil's statements, but he was within his rights to say it. Same with A&Es actions.

But people coming into this thread only to step on people who believe in a certain way is disgusting. I am not exactly a faithful man when it comes to organized religion, but I at least have the decency to respect those others who are. To say religion is the cause of all evil in this world is ridiculous.

I love how people take issue for a statement about a group of people, then turn around and do the same thing to another group of people. This thread is disgraceful.
 
DAdams91982 said:
And you, just like homophobics are part of the problem. Only your vile hatred is for people of faith instead of sexual orientation. I see no difference between you and them.
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Yes, all people of faith are one step away from beastiality. Now I am become unto Phil Robertson; the circle is complete.
 
DAdams91982 said:
This thread is so vile.

I don't agree with phil's statements, but he was within his rights to say it. Same with A&Es actions.

But people coming into this thread only to step on people who believe in a certain way is disgusting. I am not exactly a faithful man when it comes to organized religion, but I at least have the decency to respect those others who are. To say religion is the cause of all evil in this world is ridiculous.

I love how people take issue for a statement about a group of people, then turn around and do the same thing to another group of people. This thread is disgraceful.
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If religion isn't the cause of all evil in this world, then what is in your opinion? Now, when you get your answer, tell me if that reason has taken more lives world wide than 'religion' has.
 
lukehayd said:
A lot of the mistrust I have with a lot of science is that one study will have one finding and another on the same subject matter will show opposite findings. It saddens me that too many "scientists" try to scew the tests to show what they want them to show. Then, once the findings have been released and people accept them as fact, any unbiased study disproving the accepted one is shot down as wrong or swept under the rug, if you will. True science (unbiased) is getting to be rare these days.
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What you are describing is a rarity. Are there biased scientist? Sure. Is reaearch sometimes slanted in order to demonstrate a preconceived outcome? Yup. However both of these are quite rare when compared to all of the research whicb is done. And never is anything acepted as fact nor is there ever a situation when research is swept under the rug and hidden. True science is very much alive
 
JudoJosh said:
What you are describing is a rarity. Are there biased scientist? Sure. Is reaearch sometimes slanted in order to demonstrate a preconceived outcome? Yup. However both of these are quite rare when compared to all of the research whicb is done. And never is anything acepted as fact nor is there ever a situation when research is swept under the rug and hidden. True science is very much alive
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The people that I was referring to that accepted it as fact were the public after the media has touted it as truth. It is rather common for studies to still be cited in research that have been proven to be wrong but are still held up to be a viable source. I'll have to do some looking around to find some examples. One good one is the aspartame studies. They were slanted both ways and media outlets fed into the mayhem.
 
BoneDaddy said:
If religion isn't the cause of all evil in this world, then what is in your opinion? Now, when you get your answer, tell me if that reason has taken more lives world wide than 'religion' has.
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Your ideals are ill conceived if you believe that.

Hell, i even believe the ideal of religion has done more good than bad, all religions are based in human kindness.

Sandy Hook had no religious sanction.

To say it is the fault of religion is a tunnel view of the world placed there by mostly media. It isn't the fault of religion, it is the fault of humans. We are our own worst enemy, not what people believe in, or what was written 3500 years ago.

It is like saying guns are the problem, when it is truly the person behind the trigger. We want to lay blame for our own shortcomings on the door step of ideals and objects and not take responsibility for action. How about we raise our children right, to be respectful of all. Instead now we are just raising our children to have hatred for a new faction of people. I mean Blacks, Jews, Gays, Apparently a distaste for southerners. We are only perpetrating more hate.
 
lukehayd said:
The people that I was referring to that accepted it as fact were the public after the media has touted it as truth. It is rather common for studies to still be cited in research that have been proven to be wrong but are still held up to be a viable source. I'll have to do some looking around to find some examples. One good one is the aspartame studies. They were slanted both ways and media outlets fed into the mayhem.
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But this isnt at the fault of science. It is at the fault of the publics (lack of) understanding of what science is.

In the states science isnt nearly as emphasized as it should be and it is mainly because science isnt a part of standardized testing and also because it is viewed as "not as important" as other subjects like language arts and math. Now to the first reason, science isnt on the nations standardized test because of topics such as evolution are considered "controversial" and you have states like texas and kansas which fight tooth and nail to keep it out of textbooks or at least include intelligent design as a part of the science curriculum.

as for the media.. they like to sensationalize everything not just research. Follow an election and see how much is taken out of context and is exaggerated
 
DAdams91982 said:
Your ideals are ill conceived if you believe that.

Hell, i even believe the ideal of religion has done more good than bad, all religions are based in human kindness.

Sandy Hook had no religious sanction.

To say it is the fault of religion is a tunnel view of the world placed there by mostly media. It isn't the fault of religion, it is the fault of humans. We are our own worst enemy, not what people believe in, or what was written 3500 years ago.

It is like saying guns are the problem, when it is truly the person behind the trigger. We want to lay blame for our own shortcomings on the door step of ideals and objects and not take responsibility for action. How about we raise our children right, to be respectful of all. Instead now we are just raising our children to have hatred for a new faction of people. I mean Blacks, Jews, Gays, Apparently a distaste for southerners. We are only perpetrating more hate.
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Perhaps you didn't fully get what I was asking and I wasn't clear. More people have lost their lives in the name of religion than any 1 thing. And I would say the ideals of most religions are ill conceived. I won't argue the point that a lot of good has been done in the name of religion, I freely agree with that. However, I do disagree that religion was based on human kindness. To me, particularly Christianity, Catholicism, and Muslim faiths are based on fear and control.

And how are you going to invoke the media as a talking point when people of religion live their lives based a on guess what.....a book. A sexist, patriarchal, outdated, violent, genocidal and oppressive book. (i.e....media).

Much respect for your last paragraph. I couldn't agree more. I don't hate or dislike people who are religious. I don't agree with it and I don't understand how they could be bound by those beliefs, but that's their decision. Phil could take a lesson from your paragraph. He could have simply stated he doesn't believe in homosexuality and not said it's a gateway to having sex with animals. (I'm paraphrasing obviously). That's where religion really steps on everyone's toes......is that non believers should live by their beliefs and 'laws'. You don't agree with homosexuality? Don't do it! Don't believe in gay marriage? Don't marry someone of the same sex! But that doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't be free to do what makes them happy. Would it be ok for Muslims to demand that women wear hijabs or niqabs regardless of everyone else's beliefs? What if Catholics demanded everyone stop using birth control? Why is it ok for Christians to blanket their beliefs? Just curious.....
 
DAdams91982 said:
But people coming into this thread only to step on people who believe in a certain way is disgusting.
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my friend some may have surprise to what you say but really student is no greater than teacher if the world full of hate for the teacher then the student should expect no other
 
rather you believe in HIM, or not.....GOD bless everyone, and i hope everyone has a safe and HAPPY NEW YEAR'S!!!!:djparty:
 
Reason's Greetings to you all!
 
JudoJosh said:
The vast majority of public figure jobs have clauses such as this. Hell a majority of the jobs I have had they had it. But even if it wasnt in the contract then this is still not a freedom of speech issue. Freedom of speech protects you from legal prosecution. He faces no legal ramifications for what he said so there is no freedom of speech violation. People are confusing freedom of speech with the freedom to say whatever you want without ramifications for what was said from their peers or employers.
If his contract did not have a clause for it then it is a legal issue not a freedom issue. Yes he has the freedom to say or believe whatever he wants but is not free from the consequences to what is said. He is only protected from government prosecuation and until he is thrown in jail for his beliefs then there is no freedom of speech violation.



Not one jot or tittle of the law shall pass away until all is accomplished. That's what it is says in Mathew. The law isn't 10 commandments, it is 613. The law which says homosexuality is a sin calls for them to be killed for that sin and, with due respect, it calls for this guy to die because the products he is wearing on his show are made of mixed fibre.

Its always fun watching people cherry pick scriptures
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ahh, someone who is well read in Torah... I smell Matzo, lol!!!!!
 
The 10 utterences = 613 laws or mitzvot.... ahh, but then you have the oral laws / traditions found in the talmuds (Babylonian & Jeruselum).... too many laws, im heading back to Egypt to make bricks!!!

anyway, here are some good responses to the debate between old & new, Judaism vs. Christianity from Tovia Singer:

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and a video debate between a minister & a rabbi:

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fueledpassion said:
"To be free from the law means that I am the living law of God, there is no independence of God in my makeup...."

We live by the Law by the Grace of God thru Christ and empowered by the Holy Spirit. The point of Christ was not just to save us or justify us but also to sanctify us. So yes, we live by the 10 commandments but not by the Judaic law. Jesus himself broke the Judaic law and if that law were Holy then it would mean Jesus is not God nor perfect. But this isnt so because Judaic law just is silly religion created by sinful men.

Dont confuse us followers of Christ with religious people because we arent. Religion to us to taking care of the sick, elderly, poor and orphans.

Jesus didnt speak of homosexuality because it was irrelevant to his audience. Paul, on the other hand, delt with wealthy Westerners (much like us) that tended to sway more radically to the left when it came to sexual immorality. Therefore, you should read Paul's letters.

But it also helps 1000% to be a Christian because without the knowledge of God you'll just be confused and foolish in ur effort to understand the secret wisdom in Christ.
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Personally, I'm a Dead Sea Scroll & Templar/Masonic history buff myself, not to mention the Book of Enoch is really interesting....but for the sake of historical accuracy I must interject....

Basically, Christianity has been watered down and perverted since its conception, essentially James the Just (camel knees) was the leader of the Jerusalem Church (original church) and he believed in following the "laws" and even circumcising non Jewish followers, he also preached faith without works is dead. Unfortunately the Catholic church and others have tried to remove James authority and claim to the "throne" so to speak but if you research enough you can find out about his legacy.. I would guess The Quamran community and the Essenes were a "Christian sect" and possibly trained John the Baptist, James and Jesus/Iesus -gk (Joshua/Yahshua)... Iesus (Joshua) was probably a Nazir or nazirite which is a vow taken to god (not from Nazareth). I could go on for hours and fill pages of the faulty info by non scholarly mistranslations, archaeological suppression, and just plain ignorance of the truth.... but I digress.. back to my studies in UFO's and Martian artifacts... :)

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this is a great book by Robert Eisenman and a write up about it:

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another good book:

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and several more by Eisenman on James

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Here is an excellent online repository source for sacred texts, it contains everything the uninitiated neophyte will need, of course if you want to dip into the underground stream you need to take the red pill, join a secret society and into the rabbit hole you go:

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For Martian stuff check out Richard Hoagland's site

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and his youtube shows:

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I would say homosexuality is at the very least a quirk of nature deriving from either a chemical imbalance or psychological or both, something aint right upstairs in the brain or DNA that's for sure...it's definitely not something that should be embraced as natural and promoted as an alternative lifestyle but something that should be classified as a mental or physical disorder/disease and studied to find a cure or treatment. Perhaps with future genetic science we can isolate the gene if there is one and correct the flaw, although im sure the population reduction supporters would favor having more fruits around since it stops over breeding and slows resource depletion. Maybe we need to send the gay gene to Hispanic and African nations???
 
abs322 said:
I would say homosexuality is at the very least a quirk of nature deriving from either a chemical imbalance or psychological or both, something aint right upstairs in the brain or DNA that's for sure...it's definitely not something that should be embraced as natural and promoted as an alternative lifestyle but something that should be classified as a mental or physical disorder/disease and studied to find a cure or treatment. Perhaps with future genetic science we can isolate the gene if there is one and correct the flaw, although im sure the population reduction supporters would favor having more fruits around since it stops over breeding and slows resource depletion. Maybe we need to send the gay gene to Hispanic and African nations???
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Oh dear lord. :rolleyes :

Not natural? I guess the animals in nature that take part in homosexual acts would disagree
 
JudoJosh said:
Dear racist & homophobes, no matter how loud and obnoxious you are (which you are), you're still losing.
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Hold up.... Lol how did race get involved? I'm black and agree that homosexuality is a sin as well. I guess that makes me and all my black/mixed family racist.
 
flightposite said:
Hold up.... Lol how did race get involved? I'm black and agree that homosexuality is a sin as well. I guess that makes me and all my black/mixed family racist.
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[video=youtube;-M5G2nWP3xY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M5G2nWP3xY[/video] only little joking my friend
 
AE14 said:
Oh dear lord. :rolleyes :

Not natural? I guess the animals in nature that take part in homosexual acts would disagree
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if they want to propagate their species it aint natural...it violates the natural order of nature, both human and animal to reproduce & multiply. If you are just talking about a sexual act for pleasure then that is a different subject and basically a perversion of normal sexual acts, basically deviant sexual behavior.. if you want to get technical so would be heterosexual oral & anal sex. there actually used to be "sodomy" laws on the books for homosexual & heterosexual oral & anal sodomy. don't attack the messenger if you don't like the message, im just relaying facts.
 
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