Wow, this thread exploded.
Wait a bit jimbo, you're still kind of young...
No one asked you grandpa! :biglaugh:
Gotta get on board with napalm here. You're really quite strong, and you still have a few good years of natty growth ahead of you.
Well, to be fair, I could have the rest of my life of natty growth if I stayed natty. What's to say that in 3-4 years I still couldn't progress natty, the only issue comes with trying to compete with guys who aren't.
I'm curious when all the pro weight lifters (PL/Strong/Oly) began using PEDs in order to enhance their career.
High School age. I've seen parents give steroids to kids so they could get scholarships.
I laughed.
Honest reply-probably the second someone saw real potential. I know guys who have given them to their HS sons (yes, really) in hopes of sending them to a D1 school to play football.
The successful PL & strongmen I know started in late teens, early 20's.
I've seen it to, and it's a lot of the reason I got beat out on my HS football team is because I wouldn't do it.
This is why I kind of brought up my question. I agree with Napalm and yourself, BUT, isn't Jim's dream goal to be a professional strongman?
Yeah, professional SHW.
He can still have that as a goal and wait a bit. I think that's the responsible thing to do. Mrs jimbo might want to have kids, blah blah.
Not trying to sound like an old fuddy duddy, but that's how I feel. He's still got lots of time, 3-5 yrs before he has to worry about that stuff.
And when he does make the decision, I hope it's test, and not the designer crap you don't really know what it is.
You are an old fuddy duddy.
But, realistically, if I wait 3-5 years natty and let's say I get to a solid (not fat) 230-240 with respectable lifts (let's say 600/350/650). At that point I'm 24-26 years old, and I'm hundreds of pounds (300-400#) shy of the event weights (and 100# short of BW), so then I start cycling (while my competitors are cruising), so lets say it takes a couple of years to get from where I am to that level. We're talking 30 years old before I start competing in that weight class, let alone competing at a national, and then world level in that class.
Good points. I was just bringing it up from a different angle.
I like your angle better.
That's pretty messed up to give to hs kids. Especially parents giving them.
You play sports in high school? It's really common, especially here in Texas.
This is where it becomes a risk vs reward scenario. Will he become a professional and accomplish every dream ever? Will the possibility of another 40 years on TRT be worth being a professional strongman for 10?
That's my only question for everyone; take a look at the long game, then decide "is it worth it"?. Very few in their youthful exuberance will unequivocally say YES! However, there are a handful who wait until the advantage provided by PEDs REALLY matter, and really take you to the next level.
For myself, and even moreso napalm, the PED advantage could be HUGE. I've messed with M1T and 4AD (10 years ago), but I've never really buckled down and hammered a cycle. I would gain an enormous advantage in my age bracket.
Would Jim? If it doesn't catapult you into the conversation of "best", then what's the point?
You named the point, to be catapulted into the conversation of best.
Keep in mind, I'm not talking about starting tomorrow lol.
Sean and I know of a guy on another board who has spoken a number of times of his great temptation to place his boys on clomid.
I will say that there is data to support AI use in undersized boys, to promote growth through increased testosterone (albeit not at supraphysiological levels, or at least completely absurd ones) and because the reduction of E2 helps prevent growth-plate fusion. See this:
I wouldn't have much hesitation in endorsing early, judicious use of an AI or hCG in a young man, with the same caveat I stated before, about first creating real drive and hunger, before relying on such things, as a baby step towards real AAS. But these things are not going to give you near the results. But they can make a meaningful difference, particularly as we observe average male test levels drop over time, which seems ironic to me given that men are getting taller. I suppose a lot of it is environmental factors that build up post maturation.
I have been on AI and hCG monotherapy, after being Dx'd secondary hypo, and would be glad to discuss this matter with ya'll for anyone who is interested.
This I've seen before, I considered doing it when I was 18 (to try to squeeze a few inches out before it was too late), but ultimately decided not to lol.
I generally don't support AAS usage by the younger crowd as they usually don't have the base to get much out of it. However, Jim has already created that base and 500mg/week of test would have him (and his wife) very happy.
Who's this guy? I like him.
