telling your doctor your roiding...

Don't do it unless you really know and trust the guy once it is passed on to your insurance company your in for a nightmare of a problem.
 
Never tell them anything unless you have some major health concern like your heart is racing out of your chest or you pissed out a kidney or shyt out your liver....They will sensationalize it like you wouldn't believe. My cardiologist actually stated that he does not blame roids for what happened with my heart in 2004, he thinks it could have been anything from the OTC stuff to an infection to the roids to genetic.....I was shocked, but he is in the minority. I had to come clean since the heart is life and death and you want to get diagnosed and treated ASAP and give the docs all the info you can.
 
Piston Honda said:
I guess, if you need the TRT for life afterwards
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Yeah, once your on TRT? hell, come clean and tell him your entire roiding history :D doesn't matter at that point. But I still rather them not know so they don't get all condescending and try to lecture me on the dangers of anabolic steroids and why I should not have done them before TRT. Meanwhile I (and most of us on here) know a shyt ton more about TRT and AAS and PH/DS than the majority of these doctor kooks. I met another uneducated dumbass endo today who thinks he knows what he is talking about......
 
If your doctor discloses that you are roiding without any evidence of distribution (and you're not dying of hepatoxicity), he will face an ethics case that will jeopardize his career. So my vote is yes, disclose. The outcomes, with proper legal support, are that you either get the best possible medical care or you make a fortune (especially if its a hospital).
 
I would say no for the fact that say 5 years down the road you develop a kidney/liver/heart problem I believe yoir insurance would have the right not to cover you because of previous steroid use...I could be wrong though
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Yeah, once your on TRT? hell, come clean and tell him your entire roiding history :D doesn't matter at that point. But I still rather them not know so they don't get all condescending and try to lecture me on the dangers of anabolic steroids and why I should not have done them before TRT. Meanwhile I (and most of us on here) know a shyt ton more about TRT and AAS and PH/DS than the majority of these doctor kooks. I met another uneducated dumbass endo today who thinks he knows what he is talking about......
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My GP wanted to give me a 400mg/month injection for TRT and in an attempt to reason with her I suggested that 100mg/week would provide more stable levels due to half life etc. Her response was that 100mg/week injections once a week for a total of the same 400mg/month was juicing. She would not budge. I went elsewhere for a but more money and got treatment.

When I see her for annuals she knows I am on TRT and will run all my hormone panels but I always make sure my dose for about a month before I see her leaves me midrange at best so I get no flack.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
If your doctor discloses that you are roiding without any evidence of distribution (and you're not dying of hepatoxicity), he will face an ethics case that will jeopardize his career. So my vote is yes, disclose. The outcomes, with proper legal support, are that you either get the best possible medical care or you make a fortune (especially if its a hospital).
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I'm not worried about him disclosing the information to anybody, I know he is not allowed to do that.....BUT it's more the lecture and the talking down to you that annoys me. Also, one doctor told me I'm prone to addiction :D because I used roids for 2 years of my life. This was the reason for only allowing a smaller mg amount and pill count of xanax for my (legit) anxiety that I need to address every so often. I was pissed and asked him WTF he is talking about....made NO SENSE. So it's more the annoyance factor than anything legal.....
 
I suppose I should add that physicians, moreso than in any other profession IMO, have a ridiculous range of variability in terms of quality of care. Unfortunately, the dimwits in my class who can barely take care of themselves (there are many...weird, bone-headed kids) will be practicing on individuals...as will the geniuses of course. So yes, having a good PCP is crucial. Most of the horror stories I've heard are in middle america (no offense to anyone), whereas major cities usually have great quality of care.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I'm not worried about him disclosing the information to anybody, I know he is not allowed to do that.....BUT it's more the lecture and the talking down to you that annoys me. Also, one doctor told me I'm prone to addiction :D because I used roids for 2 years of my life. This was the reason for only allowing a smaller mg amount and pill count of xanax for my (legit) anxiety that I need to address every so often. I was pissed and asked him WTF he is talking about....made NO SENSE. So it's more the annoyance factor than anything legal.....
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Read my second post, find a new PCP if you can. It's unfortunate but there are many, many doctors that give healthcare a bad name. My school is notorious for a strong emphasis on good primary care qualities, and it really shows in the physicians that graduate and work here.
 
David Dunn said:
My GP wanted to give me a 400mg/month injection for TRT and in an attempt to reason with her I suggested that 100mg/week would provide more stable levels due to half life etc. Her response was that 100mg/week injections once a week for a total of the same 400mg/month was juicing. She would not budge. I went elsewhere for a but more money and got treatment.

When I see her for annuals she knows I am on TRT and will run all my hormone panels but I always make sure my dose for about a month before I see her leaves me midrange at best so I get no flack.
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This reminds me of when I was told by my GP that he would not allow me on the 100mg per month shot of testosterone, BUT he would allow the androgel...which he essentially lets me tell him how much and he prescribes it. His thinking was that the 100mg shot of cyp somehow trumped the androgel....when we all know that even at 1% (1.25mg test per pump) 8 pumps (10mg X 7 days) =70mg per week X 4 weeks = more than a once per month 100mg shot. And that is taking it at bare bottom 1% absorption...I will assure you I get way more than 1% absorption. 280mg per month beats 100mg of injection, hell it beats the twice per month protocol that they SOMETIMES allow at 200mg per month :D and that is not even factoring in the peak of a once or twice per month shot vs. the steady even keel of daily topical.
 
My dr is cool as hell and doesn't care, as long as my blood work is ok and its "dhea" based... ;-) If you have an anal prick for a Dr., then find a good one...
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Read my second post, find a new PCP if you can. It's unfortunate but there are many, many doctors that give healthcare a bad name. My school is notorious for a strong emphasis on good primary care qualities, and it really shows in the physicians that graduate and work here.
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I was just complaining in another thread about wasting so much time, money, and effort looking into GP's and endo's etc.....its nearly impossible to find a competent GP these days, never mind a specialist. I just try to monitor myself by requesting labs every so often, and by adjusting my TRT dosage accordingly. I would love to be under the supervision of a legit endo or GP who could monitor things and adjust my meds, and prescribe things like Hcg or arimidex etc. when needed....but this seems to be too much to ask anymore. I often need to go find UG or RC versions of products that I require as legit ancillaries to the TRT....sad.....
 
AnabolicHolic said:
I was just complaining in another thread about wasting so much time, money, and effort looking into GP's and endo's etc.....its nearly impossible to find a competent GP these days, never mind a specialist. I just try to monitor myself by requesting labs every so often, and by adjusting my TRT dosage accordingly. I would love to be under the supervision of a legit endo or GP who could monitor things and adjust my meds, and prescribe things like Hcg or arimidex etc. when needed....but this seems to be too much to ask anymore. I often need to go find UG or RC versions of products that I require as legit ancillaries to the TRT....sad.....
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I know it sounds ridiculous, but they do exist. Partners in your health who keep on top of you for the better. I've been blessed due to connections, but you will eventually find what you desire (I hope). If not, come see me in 3 years
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I know it sounds ridiculous, but they do exist. Partners in your health who keep on top of you for the better. I've been blessed due to connections, but you will eventually find what you desire (I hope). If not, come see me in 3 years
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hahaha, I was just going to ask when you will be in operation :D or if any of your fellow physicians in training who are comrades in arms of bodybuilding were currently practicing. It really frustrates me that I need to do illegal things despite being on TRT....and I have legit reasons for acquiring these things. Maybe Matrix knows someone in my area....I'll have to ask him.....
 
AnabolicHolic said:
hahaha, I was just going to ask when you will be in operation :D or if any of your fellow physicians in training who are comrades in arms of bodybuilding were currently practicing. It really frustrates me that I need to do illegal things despite being on TRT....and I have legit reasons for acquiring these things. Maybe Matrix knows someone in my area....I'll have to ask him.....
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Where are you situated?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Where are you situated?
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South Florida. Should be a plethora of legit endo's around here....but weeding out the numbskulls from the competent one's is difficult, unless you have a recommendation of course.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
South Florida. Should be a plethora of legit endo's around here....but weeding out the numbskulls from the competent one's is difficult, unless you have a recommendation of course.
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Damn, I know some good plastic and orthopedic surgeons in your area. Go get a nosejob or something
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Damn, I know some good plastic and orthopedic surgeons in your area. Go get a nosejob or something
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LOL, I'm pleased with my looks and my youthfulness.....but I do want to get a "neck lift" since I inherited my fathers neck genetics, and its starting to annoy me slowly but surely as I age. This area is notorious for plastic surgery of course, as I am sure you are aware.
 
Maybe they can do a penis reduction for me
 
mr.cooper69 said:
If your doctor discloses that you are roiding without any evidence of distribution (and you're not dying of hepatoxicity), he will face an ethics case that will jeopardize his career. So my vote is yes, disclose. The outcomes, with proper legal support, are that you either get the best possible medical care or you make a fortune (especially if its a hospital).
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True, but remember they still have to send an EDI 837 file to the insurance company which included ICD-9 codes like for example code 304 Drug dependence.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Unfortunately, the dimwits in my class who can barely take care of themselves (there are many...weird, bone-headed kids) will be practicing on individuals....
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coop how will they make the marks for requirements in the high standards for practicing medicine in America
 
Touey said:
coop how will they make the marks for requirements in the high standards for practicing medicine in America
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Passing med school is relatively easy. The attrition rate is virtually non-existent...they help you every step of the way. Being competitive is a different story and the main reason we're all so stressed
 
You can always make a kind gesture of you asking him to maybe run blood test for it so he can write the RX for it if you are truly low. If hey says no keep it to your self until you have a health issue. Now if he gives you any meds for health wise it will be your duty to look up contraindications of the meds to your cycle your running.
 
MuscleJ said:
You can always make a kind gesture of you asking him to maybe run blood test for it so he can write the RX for it if you are truly low. If hey says no keep it to your self until you have a health issue. Now if he gives you any meds for health wise it will be your duty to look up contraindications of the meds to your cycle your running.
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Smart guy
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Passing med school is relatively easy. The attrition rate is virtually non-existent...they help you every step of the way. Being competitive is a different story and the main reason we're all so stressed
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I know a guy from UF who cannot spell or use proper grammar to save his life....total doofus. He graduated with a teaching degree/BA. He now will be teaching our youth :D different level of education...but it validates your statement about how easy it is to slide by in the middle and/or be helped/pushed along.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Passing med school is relatively easy. The attrition rate is virtually non-existent...they help you every step of the way. Being competitive is a different story and the main reason we're all so stressed
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Coop where are you at now? I know we had conversations in the past and went to school relatively close to each other. PM if your not inclined to tell the whole board. You can be my physician, maybe perform that colonoscopy I've been putting off.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Passing med school is relatively easy. The attrition rate is virtually non-existent...they help you every step of the way. Being competitive is a different story and the main reason we're all so stressed
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That's insane to hear to be honest. And yet a big relief . I've met a few doctors who aren't that intelligent and it frightened me a little to say the least.
 
EatMoar said:
That's insane to hear to be honest. And yet a big relief . I've met a few doctors who aren't that intelligent and it frightened me a little to say the least.
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Don't get me wrong, there are amazing doctors in each and every specialty. I will say that physicians in, say, orthopedic surgery are generally more qualified than physicians in, say, family med. A lot of this has to do with the insane competition for orthopedic surgery. But on the same token, you will always find people who chose their specialty because they truly, truly love it...and those are the best IMO. I talk to med students who absolutely hate the experience. They have nightmares about it. Conversely, I feel that the past year of my life has been incredible on so many levels. I never understood what people meant when they said to find something you truly love (like who likes work?!)...until now, and I can't wait for school to start up again in a few weeks.
 
JD261985 said:
I'm in south Florida near west palm beach. We have anti aging clinics.
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haha, yeah I was trying to avoid that scenario. I'm probably in the same town/city as you, or very close. But I'd rather just get my TRT from the GP, and gather up whatever ancillaries I need on the UG market.....I'd prefer to get everything I need under the supervision of a doctor, but it seems they do not want to cooperate in this regard :D
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Don't get me wrong, there are amazing doctors in each and every specialty. I will say that physicians in, say, orthopedic surgery are generally more qualified than physicians in, say, family med. A lot of this has to do with the insane competition for orthopedic surgery. But on the same token, you will always find people who chose their specialty because they truly, truly love it...and those are the best IMO. I talk to med students who absolutely hate the experience. They have nightmares about it. Conversely, I feel that the past year of my life has been incredible on so many levels. I never understood what people meant when they said to find something you truly love (like who likes work?!)...until now, and I can't wait for school to start up again in a few weeks.
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Agreed coop. I'm the only one out of my friends who is excited for school. I did meet one internal med doc at the hospital who absolutely loved what he did. And then the other 80% I see just look depressed. Find your passion and run with it.
 
fame126 said:
what about telling the doc about the use of ph's? same idea?
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You'll get a much worse lecture for ph's....there are more factors for the doctor to chastise you about.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
haha, yeah I was trying to avoid that scenario. I'm probably in the same town/city as you, or very close. But I'd rather just get my TRT from the GP, and gather up whatever ancillaries I need on the UG market.....I'd prefer to get everything I need under the supervision of a doctor, but it seems they do not want to cooperate in this regard :D
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Yea the anti aging clinics are just nice because they'll give you whatever you want
 
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