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MANSports PF3: what to look for. compiled testimony

Drock1234 said:
For the equally confused...read the PF3 description within the product MAN Game Day in the nutra store
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Or here:

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Game Day is packed with MANY innovative ingredients to get you charged for a workout. it does contain 500mg of PF3. Pure PF3 is the Pf3, the whole Pf3, and nothing but the Pf3; 325 grams a tub!
 
If I ever see a pure IGg product on the market that doesnt break the bank, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. ive heard of marathon runners taking stuff like that
 
thescience said:
If I ever see a pure IGg product on the market that doesnt break the bank, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. ive heard of marathon runners taking stuff like that
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Becuase marathon runners have depressed immune systems. It doesn't apply to BBers

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mr.cooper69 said:
Becuase marathon runners have depressed immune systems. It doesn't apply to BBers

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yeah. I keep telling my old man to lay off all the running. the guy cant stop. when I think of IGg's effect on immunity, I think of Cytokines produced by stress, excercise, and chemicals causing inflammation and stagnating the body's healing process; when people have lots of those cytokines, they can hardly heal cuts on their skin, and here I am tearing everything up physiologically in the gym with those weights. I like the part in that pbmed read about " The mechanisms are not fully understood" how the colostrum was helping. one thing I know about colostrum is that only a small percentage of it is IGg, and it has other ingredients in it like glycoproteins and trypsin inhibitors which play a part in the undigested portion a lot of studies find with colostrum. conversely, a lot of people don't realize IGg is itself protein. ive seen information that immunoglobins are broken down by acids and enzymes; ive even seen a colostrum product with a delivery system designed to bypass that breakdown. finally, im interested in the similarity immunoglobins have to to the ones made by our hypothalamus to create the receptor sites responsible for nutrient absorption. I would be all over a chance to start experimenting with a pure IGg extract at big dosages
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It says it contains IGF-1 and IgG, both of which cannot penetrate the adult human intestinal epithelium. But I still don't know what pf3 is lol
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Who ever wrote the write-up for Game Day doesn't now what they're talking about. They seem to think the 160,000 dalton molecule will cross the epithelium intact and pull other nutrients with it(like a vacuum); and then digest slowly in your bloodstream. Write-ups like that take away any credibility, and adds some worry that the product might not have been formulated by someone who knew what they were doing.
 
thescience said:
im definately glad to have everyone in here. input, questions, and reactions are what these forums are all about!
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Just being positive actually haha. Like many here I have been disappointed by the supplement industry before. However, I have never had a bad impression of MAN, and heck...lately I've seen things that show me anything can happen. Hoping for the best with your new product guys :) and hoping Coop and xhrr can explain it in layman terms for us who might have a bit of trouble with higher order chemistry answers :D!
 
Celorza said:
Just being positive actually haha. Like many here I have been disappointed by the supplement industry before. However, I have never had a bad impression of MAN, and heck...lately I've seen things that show me anything can happen. Hoping for the best with your new product guys :) and hoping Coop and xhrr can explain it in layman terms for us who might have a bit of trouble with higher order chemistry answers :D!
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of course; im right there with you, every step of the way on that.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It says it contains IGF-1 and IgG, both of which cannot penetrate the adult human intestinal epithelium. But I still don't know what pf3 is lol
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Which is why I aim led to believe the IGF claims are based on the amounts present in the PF3 and not how much it actually effects plasma IGF levels. I'm quickly losing faith this supplement will amount to anything but outrageous claims.....
 
xhrr said:
Which is why I aim led to believe the IGF claims are based on the amounts present in the PF3 and not how much it actually effects plasma IGF levels. I'm quickly losing faith this supplement will amount to anything but outrageous claims.....
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Hey, ive been burned by many a supplement company too, over they years and the many bottles of supplements, ive learned to spot exciting developments. I get it that nobody likes not knowing, but there are conclusive things we already know that make this exciting .

1) it has a molecular weight that's over 5x that of casein. upon its release, this will be the KING of slow-digesting protein. there is a ton of research on the benefits of casein over whey; having a constant trickle of amino's being absorbed improves protein synthesis.
2) this stuff is different than any kind of protein anyone has taken. I know that it seems we're in unchartered territory, but this is the uncertainty we face when we want new, innovative products.
3) ive been informed that there is research of the effectiveness of the substances comprising PF3; The answers are coming. MANSports isn't some company that throws products out for a fast buck. this stuff is being tested, and people are loving it
 
the great part about all this is that we aren't putting something we would eventually have to cycle off of into our bodies; this stuff has been in our food supply. at the dramatic dosage that MANSports is providing, we are already seeing extremely positive beta-tester results
 
thescience said:
Here's another beta-tester user review highlight I found:
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Here's one on L-glutamine:

"3/20/2013 Great Stuff
By Amanda
from Fort Sam Houston, TX
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PROS
Easy To Take
Good Value
Helps With Fatigue
Tastes Fine
CONS
BEST USES
Daily Use
Post-workout
Recovery From Injury
Comments about Vitamin Shoppe L-Glutamine Powder (4500 MG) - 12 Ounces Powder:
When I first started taking this supplement years ago, I was definitely shocked at the difference that this made with my muscle soreness. If you find it difficult to mix it with your fluids, I recommend mixing it in with your hot tea. Put a little scoop of it in with your hot tea and add some Stevia, and you're good to go. Can't imagine working out without this."

Shall I retrieve one showing increased focus from glycerol monostearate (a saturated fat...no I'm not kidding, it's a BB.com review).
 
thescience said:
hey coop. let me ask you a question; What would you rather have in your hand in 3 months? a certificate of analysis, or a free tub of PF3? there is a right answer to this question
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A CoA hands down (I'm being totally serious). I can't be bought like that, I don't even trust my own anecdote over real data (and rightfully so, everyone is subject to placebo, and strongly at that).

I will take a lunch date with your employee allnatural as a substitute however
 
mr.cooper69 said:
A CoA hands down (I'm being totally serious). I can't be bought like that, I don't even trust my own anecdote over real data (and rightfully so, everyone is subject to placebo, and strongly at that).

I will take a lunch date with your employee allnatural as a substitute however
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Those always end with broken hearts
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Here's one on L-glutamine:

"3/20/2013 Great Stuff
By Amanda
from Fort Sam Houston, TX
Follow me
PROS
Easy To Take
Good Value
Helps With Fatigue
Tastes Fine
CONS
BEST USES
Daily Use
Post-workout
Recovery From Injury
Comments about Vitamin Shoppe L-Glutamine Powder (4500 MG) - 12 Ounces Powder:
When I first started taking this supplement years ago, I was definitely shocked at the difference that this made with my muscle soreness. If you find it difficult to mix it with your fluids, I recommend mixing it in with your hot tea. Put a little scoop of it in with your hot tea and add some Stevia, and you're good to go. Can't imagine working out without this."

Shall I retrieve one showing increased focus from glycerol monostearate (a saturated fat...no I'm not kidding, it's a BB.com review).
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I wouldn't say she's lying. im sure she doesn't eat protein powder, and while that glutamine probably just ended up lining her bowels, it could have given spared the glutamine peptides from her food, resulting in more toward her skeletal muscles
 
thescience said:
I wouldn't say she's lying. im sure she doesn't eat protein powder, and while that glutamine probably just ended up lining her bowels, it could have given spared the glutamine peptides from her food, resulting in more toward her skeletal muscles
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Mr. Science don't make me taze you! Glutamine is chiefly synthesized by the body, not acquired from diet. Anyone who's not a burn victim has just the right amount
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Mr. Science don't make me taze you! Glutamine is chiefly synthesized by the body, not acquired from diet. Anyone who's not a burn victim has just the right amount
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:rocketwhore: Mr. Coop! When did you start rolling like that!!!
 
mr.cooper69 said:
A CoA hands down (I'm being totally serious). I can't be bought like that, I don't even trust my own anecdote over real data (and rightfully so, everyone is subject to placebo, and strongly at that).

I will take a lunch date with your employee allnatural as a substitute however
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haha. now think about this coop, the COA aint gonna make you grow, and it aint going to smack away the doms like PF3 could.
 
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Maybe it's late right now and I'm dreaming, but I have no idea what's going on in the last few posts. I think I need to lie down for a bit.
 
Piston Honda said:
Maybe it's late right now and I'm dreaming, but I have no idea what's going on in the last few posts. I think I need to lie down for a bit.
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Or maybe Honda need catching up for his Danielle Steele before exploding out there

thescience said:
mind's always going to grow. explode out of there! Im sure Danielle steele has all kinds of educational insight on love, but I for one would rather just take a girl home
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coops answer was impressively consistant, seriously. coop, I gotta ask though: suppose you take a supplement; over the next few weeks you notice you don't have doms anymore and so you decide to work out 5 times a week instead of two. this continues as long as you take the supplement. then you stop taking it and you feel sore and you go back to working out twice a week. you take the supplement again, and behold! you want to work out 5 times a week again and your doms are gone. now the question is, in all consistantcy, do you doubt your own testimony as anecdotal? do you say, "im not going to use this anymore until I have a chance to read about it at the library." ?

not trying to buy anybody; fact is the supplements flow through me freely and I value anecdotal testimony. i dont shield my eyes from reviews on a product page, because there are astute observers who post them on their principles for the sake of a rapid transfer of information. .
 
thescience said:
coops answer was impressively consistant, seriously. coop, I gotta ask though: suppose you take a supplement; over the next few weeks you notice you don't have doms anymore and so you decide to work out 5 times a week instead of two. this continues as long as you take the supplement. then you stop taking it and you feel sore and you go back to working out twice a week. you take the supplement again, and behold! you want to work out 5 times a week again and your doms are gone. now the question is, in all consistantcy, do you doubt your own testimony as anecdotal? do you say, "im not going to use this anymore until I have a chance to read about it at the library." ?

not trying to buy anybody; fact is the supplements flow through me freely and I value anecdotal testimony. i dont shield my eyes from reviews on a product page, because there are astute observers who post them on their principles for the sake of a rapid transfer of information. .
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Yes, I absolutely doubt it. I'm not being blinded. I know when I'm taking _______ and when I'm not, so there's no placebo control.

Now, if there are overwhelming reports from people all over the world and the data hasn't yet been studied, then I will be much more open minded. I'm congizant of the fact that an absence of evidence does not indicate that something won't work. However, if there is data showing that _____________ doesn't work (i.e. with our N-Acetyl-Tyrosine debate), then I'm siding with the data.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Yes, I absolutely doubt it. I'm not being blinded. I know when I'm taking _______ and when I'm not, so there's no placebo control.

Now, if there are overwhelming reports from people all over the world and the data hasn't yet been studied, then I will be much more open minded. I'm congizant of the fact that an absence of evidence does not indicate that something won't work. However, if there is data showing that _____________ doesn't work (i.e. with our N-Acetyl-Tyrosine debate), then I'm siding with the data.
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ok, so if you took a magic supplement that made you bench an extra 200lbs consistantly year in year out as long as you took it


and nobody else saw that effect when they took it


and there was no literature besides that indicating it is safe, would you stop taking it and deny any claim that it has benefit?
 
Hey thescience, I've got a magic supplement that adds 200 lbs to my bench, and I'll sell it to you for $50/month with no data whatsoever to back it and in fact there are several studies saying it can't possibly work the way I'm claiming it does, I expect you to fully support my innovative product and pay me money because that's how you roll.

And that's where your logical path meets its fateful end.
 
I think we're getting way sidetracked here...wouldn't want people to think pf3 increases bench by 200 lbs.

We hope everyone applying is patient as we build for the product's reveal. We appreciate everyone's interest and we totally understand how/why everyone is so inquisitive! We're just not at liberty to reveal anything quite yet.
 
thescience said:
hey coop. let me ask you a question; What would you rather have in your hand in 3 months? a certificate of analysis, or a free tub of PF3? there is a right answer to this question
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the answer is both. if either can be possible, then it should be both.
 
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