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FINAFLEX PCT AFTER 12 WK RUN

snagencyV2.0 said:
was wondering about this myself..
logically, would make sense to be the case
i don't think restrictive anything goes in hand with peps, bro..conflicting use for intent of product

good self-discovery!
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Some folks had claimed great results from keto with it so I thought I'd give moderate carb cycle a try. Terrible idea. Carb up and keep on trucking
 
Sounds good on the modifications on IGF one of the things to keep in mind is that when you eat these things they go out of your blood stream and very quickly into your musce still leaving you with a lower level of blood sugar. Also IGF is independent of Insulin in how it effects Glut 4 translocation so even when blood sugar is low the IGF is trying to pull any blood sugar out of your blood into the muscle. One thing many people dont realize is that muscles are greedy bastards. Once the glycogen goes into your muscle the muscle does not release it back into the blood if needed. It will remain in the muscle until used for energy during physical activity. So everything you know about carbohydrate metabolism is completely changed with iGF-1 use. The minimum from what I have heard is 20g complex carbs per hour for at least 7 hours after injecting. You can do that via 40g every two hours or whatever but that is the minimum and depeninding on how much muscle mass you have that number is going to be much higher. You have a good amount of muscle so I am thinking you probably need 30-40g per hour or 60-80 every 2 hours.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Sounds good on the modifications on IGF one of the things to keep in mind is that when you eat these things they go out of your blood stream and very quickly into your musce still leaving you with a lower level of blood sugar. Also IGF is independent of Insulin in how it effects Glut 4 translocation so even when blood sugar is low the IGF is trying to pull any blood sugar out of your blood into the muscle. One thing many people dont realize is that muscles are greedy bastards. Once the glycogen goes into your muscle the muscle does not release it back into the blood if needed. It will remain in the muscle until used for energy during physical activity. So everything you know about carbohydrate metabolism is completely changed with iGF-1 use. The minimum from what I have heard is 20g complex carbs per hour for at least 7 hours after injecting. You can do that via 40g every two hours or whatever but that is the minimum and depeninding on how much muscle mass you have that number is going to be much higher. You have a good amount of muscle so I am thinking you probably need 30-40g per hour or 60-80 every 2 hours.
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My plan ->
50 two hours prior. 80 post work. 40 one hour after post. And 50 every two hours for 6 hours and whatever else I need if I start feeling lethargy or hypo.

Oh yeah, the wife's not prego: mixed feelings about this.
 
wow complex sounding stuff..i feel so old-fashioned, doing it the hard way lol


as for the wife/baby issue - i am glad (or sad,depending on how you are feeling at the moment you're reading this) to hear the news!
 
Sounds like a good plan and will definitely keep mass on you.
 
Day 5 Shoulders
Weight 199
Warmup/stretch
Bent over rear cable laterals
12@40, 10@40, 10@30
Incline bench rear DB laterals
12@15, 15@15, 20@15
Cable front raise
15@30, 15@40, 15@40
Fat Bar Front Raise
12@65, 12@65, 15@65
Seated Fat Bar Shoulder Press
10@135, 12@135, 11@135
DB Shrugs 15@70x3
AB Circuit
- plate loaded crunch- 12@40x2
- leg raise- 12x2

I'm currently at 3220 cals for the day and somewhere around 300 carbs. Have one more meal for the day then some more complex carbs before bed. Realistically I'll be around 3800-4000 cals by the time I go to sleep. Then an early morning arm workout before I drive from Burque to Amarillo

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PalmFist said:
Day 5 Shoulders
Weight 199
Warmup/stretch
Bent over rear cable laterals
12@40, 10@40, 10@30
Incline bench rear DB laterals
12@15, 15@15, 20@15
Cable front raise
15@30, 15@40, 15@40
Fat Bar Front Raise
12@65, 12@65, 15@65
Seated Fat Bar Shoulder Press
10@135, 12@135, 11@135
DB Shrugs 15@70x3
AB Circuit
- plate loaded crunch- 12@40x2
- leg raise- 12x2

I'm currently at 3220 cals for the day and somewhere around 300 carbs. Have one more meal for the day then some more complex carbs before bed. Realistically I'll be around 3800-4000 cals by the time I go to sleep. Then an early morning arm workout before I drive from Burque to Amarillo

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Lololol @ the MW cup.
Who knew Hell was cold..
 
DAY 6 Arms
Weight ?
Warmup/stretch
Weighted chins
8@45x3
EZbar Preachers
10@65x3
Reverse Grip EZbar Curl
12@55x3
Standing Alternating Curls
8@35x2
Pressdown
12@150x3
Lying Down Db Tri Ext
12@25x3
Close grip Bench 15@135x3

Not impressed with the weights used but still got an awesome pump
 
Weight is not that importaint as some think, as long as you remain progressive, start lower and work your way up. In the long run you will be better off and just as big.
 
I like the volume man. Volume is the MOST relative training in PCT. I don't care what anyone says. The more muscle fibers recruited during every workout, the higher your success rate will be.
I hit failure on the last set, every time I lift. And I also like hitting DropSets all over the place like Branch.
 
Estimated intake yesterday:
4020 cals, 89g fats, 397 carbs, 351 protein

Estimated intake today:
3861 cals, 121 fat, 410 carbs, 306 protein

I've been so hungry yesterday and today that I messed my diet up with a hamburger and fries both days! Just so damn hungry it doesn't stop. Gonna blame it on igf. I took two doses of 50 mcg two weeks ago and felt fine, three doses of 50 last week and that's when the hunger began. 50/x/50/50/40 this week and I have an insatiable appetite. Next week I'm thinking of dropping to 40/40/40/40/40 or 30/30/30/30/30. I love the recovery it's providing, and the pumps paired with osta are nice, but 50mcg in one sitting just zaps my energy and makes me wicked hungry all day. I mean I eat a huge meal full of carbs and less than an hour later I'm starving again. I'm keeping to my 2-3 hour meal windows but its hard not to just stuff my face every hour of the day. Maybe I'll add half a pro xanthine to my osta pills that I capped myself, since there is room left over in the size 0 capsules, to help curb hunger and provide some energy.
 
again we are mirroring each other in cals roughly, if not micros :D
i hit 4k again, hungry all day..gonna have to slide my scale upward more than i thought
one caveat: i love the fact you are eating bigger..but - if bodycomp still is a goal, watch the micros of those macros man
there is a drastic difference between my regular 4k days construction, and 4k days of eating a meal or two (or three) constituting crap micros
hyooge..
i know it seems basic, but reality it is quite substantial
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
again we are mirroring each other in cals roughly, if not micros :D
i hit 4k again, hungry all day..gonna have to slide my scale upward more than i thought
one caveat: i love the fact you are eating bigger..but - if bodycomp still is a goal, watch the micros of those macros man
there is a drastic difference between my regular 4k days construction, and 4k days of eating a meal or two (or three) constituting crap micros
hyooge..
i know it seems basic, but reality it is quite substantial
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Thanks Snags. Yup, just can't stop eating. My fats were higher than I wanted but dammit I hadn't had a good burger n fries in like a month man, I was dying and lost control! I'm gonna make up for it this weekend with a nice hike in the mountains.
 
Thank you for your service PF. Semper Fi. Hope I said that right. I'm not military but my son is in the Navy. God bless them all!
 
So didn't have time for the hike. Drive time plus hike time plus drive time back after sleeping in this morning just wasn't gonna happen. Too bad but always next time. Plus I have a shyt ton of HW and reading to do so I did a cardio/core workout instead.

Day 8 CARDIO/CORE
WEIGHT 199! Need to keep eating!
Cardio- 15 min HIIT @ eliptical (1:00, 1:00)
AB Circuit
- weighted crunch- 10@40x2
- cable chop- 10@40x2
- hanging knee raise- 10x2
Cardio- 10 min HIIT @ stairmaster (0:30, 0:30)
Core Circuit
- plank- 1:10x2
- L plank- 0:35x2
- R plank- 0:35x2

Meal 3 ---> 627/18/36/75
Egg white French toast w/ agave
Mixed fruit
1 cup no fat chobani yogurt
7oz chicken

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Meal 4 ---> 610/9/61/56

2 cans drained tuna w/ low fat mayo and hot sauce
3 granola bars

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Meal 5

Mediterranean spring salad w/lean ground turkey

Put me in around 2700 cals. Might have a protein and oats shake before bed to finish ~3000 cals

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Meal 1 ---> 740/35/62/70

1 cup uncooked oat bran
5 whole eggs
4 oz lean ground turkey

So full. Nolva, Pure Test, Osta + PX all down the hatch. I'm off to class now. Start a new 12 weeker today to take the class load to 18 now. Things are gonna stay busy for a while! Workout tonight
 
Good stuff man like the lifts no wonder you are getting good pumps. As already said thanks for serving Brother! Some of your meals look good enough to eat... :)
 
MrKleen73 said:
Good stuff man like the lifts no wonder you are getting good pumps. As already said thanks for serving Brother! Some of your meals look good enough to eat... :)
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So an Army dog and a Marine walk into a bar...
And fuk shyt up
 
Meal 3 ---> 315/1/63/14

Granola bar
5 oz strawberries
Coconut water
Oikos cupped yogurt

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Last class then workout in 2 hours. Chest day!
 
PalmFist said:
You suggest?
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meh
i'm an anally clean eater (read that however you will lol), so i minimize simple sugar and the like at all times other than when i want it, or when it will be most appropriate - def not thruout the day (but you know this)
granola bars in general, too processed for me (oh i guess there may be some fairly clean ones out there, not many tho)
you want granola bro - then go buy some granola
or chomp on some grape nuts
or just eat some oats
:shrug:
all in perspective man..jus sayin
 
The Diet Nazi has spoken! Then again look at him, it obviously works and works well. I am migrating back to this type of eating myself so I can maintain the lean look while building muscle.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
meh
i'm an anally clean eater (read that however you will lol), so i minimize simple sugar and the like at all times other than when i want it, or when it will be most appropriate - def not thruout the day (but you know this)
granola bars in general, too processed for me (oh i guess there may be some fairly clean ones out there, not many tho)
you want granola bro - then go buy some granola
or chomp on some grape nuts
or just eat some oats
:shrug:
all in perspective man..jus sayin
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Yeah yeah I know. Tell you what bro I'm gonna try and make my own natty granola treats tonight just to keep in line with best is best. Keep you updated
 
MrKleen73 said:
The Diet Nazi has spoken! Then again look at him, it obviously works and works well. I am migrating back to this type of eating myself so I can maintain the lean look while building muscle.
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I know. What a jerk. Go back to bagging your own groceries at the local farmers market you food hippy
 
I fell behind earlier today. Been busy

Meal 2 ---> 691/38/28/40

6 oz baked chicken strips
2/3 cup potato & egg salad

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Day 9 CHEST
WEIGHT 200
FST-7 machine fly (0:30 rest)
15@170, 15@190, 15@210, 12@230, 11@210, 6@190+5@170, 12@150 !!!Wicked Pump!!!
Flat Bench
8@225, 10@225, 12@225
Incline Hammer Strength Machine
11@180, 9@180, 14@140
Decline Bench
15@135shoulderWidth, 20@135medWidth, 24@135wide

I was super pumped today and blew thru this chest workout in probably 40 min or less. Never go to the gym around 5:00pm but needed to today due to time constraints. My nice, convenient, spacious, well-equipped gym that is literally down the street from me was stupid packed. I had to park across the street. Never once have I had to do that. FUKIN NEW YEARS
 
PalmFist said:
Day 9 CHEST
WEIGHT 200
FST-7 machine fly (0:30 rest)
15@170, 15@190, 15@210, 12@230, 11@210, 6@190+5@170, 12@150 !!!Wicked Pump!!!
Flat Bench
8@225, 10@225, 12@225
Incline Hammer Strength Machine
11@180, 9@180, 14@140
Decline Bench
15@135shoulderWidth, 20@135medWidth, 24@135wide

I was super pumped today and blew thru this chest workout in probably 40 min or less. Never go to the gym around 5:00pm but needed to today due to time constraints. My nice, convenient, spacious, well-equipped gym that is literally down the street from me was stupid packed. I had to park across the street. Never once have I had to do that. FUKIN NEW YEARS
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Yah we were infested with new years newbs yesterday .. skinny fugs.. apologies to the ones that stay and become beasts, few they might be.
 
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