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Protein Shake vs FOOD Source

Possibly the culprit can be low stomach acidity. Betaine hcl is worth a try IMO

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^^ damn this dood is on da ball
betaine very intriguing, lowers homocysteine levels which of course if elevated contribute to a host of health risks (cardiovascular etc)
betaine could help digestive issues - also plays a role in methionine cycle (which has intrigued me for long time)
good call
 
Oh lol yes the 'mother' is in it

- Valdez
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
i don't want to argue, and you are missing the point

and none of this has anything to do with your above apparent understanding of WHY milk adds weight to you

protein itself -- IN ANY FORM be it liquid powder or otherwise -- is the LEAST conducive macronutrient with which to gain WEIGHT
by far, not even close
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Can you elaborate on this(maybe you have already and I have not read it yet)? If you have, I will get to it sometime, when I have a chance to read all these pages.
 
blackjackcat said:
Can you elaborate on this(maybe you have already and I have not read it yet)? If you have, I will get to it sometime, when I have a chance to read all these pages.
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He's saying that the least likely pathway for protein is too add weight because of all the other roles in which protein has take precedent. Amino acids have a huge amount of varying roles including but not limited to transportation of molecules through the blood, form enzymes for digestive function and provide the building blocks for tissue repair. Because of the importance of its role, the body tries not to break it down for any purpose in which it is not needed.

When protein needs are met, the body deaminates proteins (remving the amine group from the carboxyl group), and after conversion to urea, it is pee'd out as waste. The remainding Carbon group is then free to be used as energy (dependant on the amino acids) or stored.

EDIT: its my interpreation of what Snag is saying :)
 
Jiigzz said:
He's saying that the least likely pathway for protein is too add weight because of all the other roles in which protein has take precedent. Amino acids have a huge amount of varying roles including but not limited to transportation of molecules through the blood, form enzymes for digestive function and provide the building blocks for tissue repair. Because of the importance of its role, the body tries not to break it down for any purpose in which it is not needed.

When protein needs are met, the body deaminates proteins (remving the amine group from the carboxyl group), and after conversion to urea, it is pee'd out as waste. The remainding Carbon group is then free to be used as energy (dependant on the amino acids) or stored.

EDIT: its my interpreation of what Snag is saying :)
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Sophomore year biology coming back to haunt me
 
Jiigzz said:
He's saying that the least likely pathway for protein is too add weight because of all the other roles in which protein has take precedent. Amino acids have a huge amount of varying roles including but not limited to transportation of molecules through the blood, form enzymes for digestive function and provide the building blocks for tissue repair. Because of the importance of its role, the body tries not to break it down for any purpose in which it is not needed.

When protein needs are met, the body deaminates proteins (remving the amine group from the carboxyl group), and after conversion to urea, it is pee'd out as waste. The remainding Carbon group is then free to be used as energy (dependant on the amino acids) or stored.

EDIT: its my interpreation of what Snag is saying :)
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Ok, I am following you, that clears up what I was confused about. Thanks for the reply.
 
blackjackcat said:
Ok, I am following you, that clears up what I was confused about. Thanks for the reply.
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well, jiigzz gets technical about it, but sure
to put make it simple, the basic TEF formula (thermic effect of food)
looking at it another way, is hardest for body to digest, so makes body work harder
to view it in numerical value:
protein - @30% of every protein cal burned in digestion
carbs - @6-8% of every cal burned in digestion
fats - @2-3% of every cal burned in digestion

while protein will help in muscle tissue repair and growth surely - the great value in bb'ing circles should not be looked at as protein = "gaining weight" but rather (in combination with lowering of other macros) viewed as protein helps you lose weight (or aids in body comp)

digestive energy expenditure is (in my opinion) a most overlooked aspect in this realm, by nutritionists and diet "gurus" alike
 
Betaine hcl =/= betaine anhydrous
betaine anhydrous = TMG ( Trimethylglycine)
Betaine hcl = betaine hydrochloride

Betaine hcl can be used for low stomach acid. Worth a shot to try for your reflux.

Betaine anhydrous is great stuff too but not the same. See - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/183806-betaine-ergogenic-aid.html for more on TMG ;)

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JudoJosh said:
Betaine hcl =/= betaine anhydrous
betaine anhydrous = TMG ( Trimethylglycine)
Betaine hcl = betaine hydrochloride

Betaine hcl can be used for low stomach acid. Worth a shot to try for your reflux.

Betaine anhydrous is great stuff too but not the same. See - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/183806-betaine-ergogenic-aid.html for more on TMG ;)
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ahhhhh, true
(love some clarification, and always good to question) ;)
is why i simply stated "betaine" in my shortened abbreviated post (was going to bed), and did not specify the form in any of my statements

good catch! :D

betaine in general is a very interesting beast, and has many different components/uses
 
Just wanted to clear it up because betaine hcl taken at the dosage that TMG is recommended at will not be fun for someone.

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I know from personal experience :( stuff tears your stomach up

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JudoJosh said:
Betaine hcl =/= betaine anhydrous
betaine anhydrous = TMG ( Trimethylglycine)
Betaine hcl = betaine hydrochloride

Betaine hcl can be used for low stomach acid. Worth a shot to try for your reflux.

Betaine anhydrous is great stuff too but not the same. See - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/183806-betaine-ergogenic-aid.html for more on TMG ;)

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I am glad you cleared that up lol.

I was thinking "they are definitely not talking about the same thing".
 
I should have saw that comment coming. Kinda walked right into that

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JudoJosh said:
I should have saw that comment coming. Kinda walked right into that
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lulz
is easy to do, happens to me all the time..

bdcc said:
I am glad you cleared that up lol.

I was thinking "they are definitely not talking about the same thing".
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see? looky there

different context, but same thing

doesn't help engrish isn't my first language, some things get lost in the thought translation lol
add a lill ADD to the mix..bad recipe is bad
 
Jiigzz said:
He's saying that the least likely pathway for protein is too add weight because of all the other roles in which protein has take precedent. Amino acids have a huge amount of varying roles including but not limited to transportation of molecules through the blood, form enzymes for digestive function and provide the building blocks for tissue repair. Because of the importance of its role, the body tries not to break it down for any purpose in which it is not needed.

When protein needs are met, the body deaminates proteins (remving the amine group from the carboxyl group), and after conversion to urea, it is pee'd out as waste. The remainding Carbon group is then free to be used as energy (dependant on the amino acids) or stored.

EDIT: its my interpreation of what Snag is saying :)
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Almost! Almost all the amino acid substrate we have (mostly from daily protein turnover) is actually used for new body protein synthesis, 80% of which is skeletal muscle tissue. Protein breakdown is also actually the #1 source of new amino acids in the body, accounting for 400g of new amino acids a day (as opposed to the much lower number you get via diet).
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
well, jiigzz gets technical about it, but sure
to put make it simple, the basic TEF formula (thermic effect of food)
looking at it another way, is hardest for body to digest, so makes body work harder
to view it in numerical value:
protein - @30% of every protein cal burned in digestion
carbs - @6-8% of every cal burned in digestion
fats - @2-3% of every cal burned in digestion

while protein will help in muscle tissue repair and growth surely - the great value in bb'ing circles should not be looked at as protein = "gaining weight" but rather (in combination with lowering of other macros) viewed as protein helps you lose weight (or aids in body comp)

digestive energy expenditure is (in my opinion) a most overlooked aspect in this realm, by nutritionists and diet "gurus" alike
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Wow, good info, thanks.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Almost! Almost all the amino acid substrate we have (mostly from daily protein turnover) is actually used for new body protein synthesis, 80% of which is skeletal muscle tissue. Protein breakdown is also actually the #1 source of new amino acids in the body, accounting for 400g of new amino acids a day (as opposed to the much lower number you get via diet).
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Are you saying (this is my interpretation) that deamination does not occur? I'm not quite sure I follow, perhaps I should wait for clarification before I presume anything ;)
 
Valdez said:
So due to this cluster **** of a thread I decided to do a little research involving dairy and allergies.

I have for quite sometime now (8+ years) had GERD and apparently it could be from dairy consumption... Hmmm... I'm going to go a little deeper later but I may give no dairy a go and see what happens. it would be nice to not have to take a damn pill every morning thirty minutes before I eat.

- Valdez
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Before the combo starts to drift I stumbled upon this

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Figured it may be useful to you.


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JudoJosh said:
Before the combo starts to drift I stumbled upon this

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Figured it may be useful to you.


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I started reading it during breakfast and will finish up on lunch. It looks to be of great use thanks bud.

- Valdez
 
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