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soontobbeast

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I read an excerpt in my A&P book that says '' ''ingesting extra creatine decreases the body's own synthesis of creatine, and it is not known whether natural synthesis recovers after long-term creatine supplementation.''

Anyone ever read this?

Something to think about for those who supplement creatine year round 'cause it's 'safe'.
 
soontobbeast said:
I read an excerpt in my A&P book that says '' ''ingesting extra creatine decreases the body's own synthesis of creatine, and it is not known whether natural synthesis recovers after long-term creatine supplementation.''

Anyone ever read this?

Something to think about for those who supplement creatine year round 'cause it's 'safe'.
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Good find. I've been using it for probably six months straight and the past two weeks been clean with nothing negative to report.
 
It is true, partially. There is evidence showing Cr-T downregulation, but there is also evidence showing recovery following a washout. Furthermore, this is why I recommend creatine on workout days only. In this manner, cycling off is built-in.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It is true, partially. There is evidence showing Cr-T downregulation, but there is also evidence showing recovery following a washout. Furthermore, this is why I recommend creatine on workout days only. In this manner, cycling off is built-in.
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If you recommend consuming only on workout days I am guessing you have an argument against the whole 10g a day til saturated approach.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
5g daily for one month (to saturation), then about 3-5g on workout days only thereafter.
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How much time off between doses until the muscles are considered no longer saturated?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
5g daily for one month (to saturation), then about 3-5g on workout days only thereafter.
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Studies support progressive saturation (3-6g/day) rather than supersaturation (10-20g) for maximum performance and capacity. Also more is held within the muscle cell than the extracellular matrix.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It is true, partially. There is evidence showing Cr-T downregulation, but there is also evidence showing recovery following a washout. Furthermore, this is why I recommend creatine on workout days only. In this manner, cycling off is built-in.
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I started to adopt this protocol as well and I agree it seems to work much better.
 
Good thread guys. I've used this dosing method over the years unintentionally. I would just always forget to take it on my off days. And it always worked out fine for me.
 
I've cycled off unintentionally, or by choice when I drop from ALL supplementation and/or training. I would still say I'm on it 9out of 12 months a year. Hmm, may reevaluate this.
 
Clemenza said:
Good thread guys. I've used this dosing method over the years unintentionally. I would just always forget to take it on my off days. And it always worked out fine for me.
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That is basically what started it. I don't think about it on days I don't workout.
 
Clemenza said:
haha I always thought it was short for "serious" lol. Woops
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Could be, I'm an old man when it comes to you young'ns slang :-p

Yeah I did it while I was in juco, not 365 but I didn't cycle off much. Maybe placebo but I felt better/fuller/stronger at 20gr a day vs. 5, 10 or 15
 
Distilled Water said:
Could be, I'm an old man when it comes to you young'ns slang :-p

Yeah I did it while I was in juco, not 365 but I didn't cycle off much. Maybe placebo but I felt better/fuller/stronger at 20gr a day vs. 5, 10 or 15
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A friend of mine has always done it like that too and swears by it.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Also a sure-fire way to go bald (not kidding). Creatine at heavy doses elevates DHT a ton
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Coop, have you seen multiple studies on this? I've only been able to find the original from Merwe in 2009.

I noticed my thinning start when I started using creatine regularly, but that's when I was around 19, so I always wondered if there was a connection or coincidence.

I do think there are many other factors that cause hair loss. Other hormones, insulin problems etc.

I remember using finasteride and my hair falling out even more along with even more scalp inflammation. So maybe dht isn't what's causing my hair loss.

I've about given up and about to start shaving my.head again.
 
^I've been having this same issue and can't figure it out. Sometimes the top starts thinning, other times its fine. I have a perscription for propescia but don't want to fill it if I know natural remedies can be had. Started dosing Saw Palmetto 3x daily, considering my options. Maybe just dropping creatine out for a while and see?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Also a sure-fire way to go bald (not kidding). Creatine at heavy doses elevates DHT a ton
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Correct me if I'm wrong coop but isn't this dependent upon the person's genetic predisposition for MPB? I know large amounts of DHT over time can certainly accelerate MPB, but some men don't seem to ever have this issue regardless.
 
kingjameskjf said:
Correct me if I'm wrong coop but isn't this dependent upon the person's genetic predisposition for MPB? I know large amounts of DHT over time can certainly accelerate MPB, but some men don't seem to ever have this issue regardless.
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You're correct. All I'm saying is mega-dosing creatine = bad. Using at equally effective, reasonable doses = good.
 
I've always suggested that method but didn't know about DHT. I just knew it for extracellular water retention and overall performance to be better when not overdosed.
 
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