Which oral would provide more maintainable gains after pct?

Viking23

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dbol - 6 weeks @ 50mg ed + Ai

sd - 3 1/2 weeks @ 20mg ed

I kno running an oral only is a waste for the most part just something I was curious about
 
Viking23 said:
dbol - 6 weeks @ 50mg ed + Ai

sd - 3 1/2 weeks @ 20mg ed

I kno running an oral only is a waste for the most part just something I was curious about
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I'd say dbol bc of the longer cycle, also you need to do lots more research I can tell by your last sentence
 
Viking23 said:
dbol - 6 weeks @ 50mg ed + Ai

sd - 3 1/2 weeks @ 20mg ed

I kno running an oral only is a waste for the most part just something I was curious about
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How old are you and how long have you been training? Weeks?months?years?
 
Austinmck17 said:
I'd say dbol bc of the longer cycle, also you need to do lots more research I can tell by your last sentence
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I just through that in there because I kno how alot of the guys on here believe test is needed in every cycle and I didn't feel like hearing them flame me for posting about orals only. Although I promise you I have researched for years to be honest . I admit there's alot im still learning but I'm def am no rookie. what do you think someone can obtain from a cycle like that?
 
I actually am not running this cycle my friend was going to do the sd but I wss trying to convince him to do the dbol because im not a huge fan of the sd myself
 
pyrobatt said:
How old are you and how long have you been training? Weeks?months?years?
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you should check out my other thread on test e which I plan on running soon and that has all my stats and a cycle layout
 
howwedo107 said:
Sd at 10mg for 6 weeks would be the most maintainable gains and some decent dry ones at that
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now would you split the capsules in half due to the half life or just take one a day?
 
Viking23 said:
you should check out my other thread on test e which I plan on running soon and that has all my stats and a cycle layout
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Wanted to make sure you wernt a youngin looking for steroid info haha.
Orals are great and you can stack with ease!
Dbol plus primo tabs plus androhard. Mmmmm
But of the 2 dbol gets my vote
 
pyrobatt said:
Wanted to make sure you wernt a youngin looking for steroid info haha.
Orals are great and you can stack with ease!
Dbol plus primo tabs plus androhard. Mmmmm
But of the 2 dbol gets my vote
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sounds good homie and if you can check out my test cycle cuz its my first one and I think I got everything I need but im always looking for more advice/info
 
I just happen to come across some cheap and was thinking about getting it but I would like to stack or bridge into from something else.
 
Viking23 said:
I just happen to come across some cheap and was thinking about getting it but I would like to stack or bridge into from something else.
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You will gain 15 pounds and then lose every single bit of it. I guarantee you.
 
Viking23 said:
I just happen to come across some cheap and was thinking about getting it but I would like to stack or bridge into from something else.
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I suggest storing it in a dark closet for when you need it again.If you want to stack an oral with DBOL stack something more like primo tabs*better builder than var" and save the var for the summer cut of gods.
 
pyrobatt said:
I suggest storing it in a dark closet for when you need it again.If you want to stack an oral with DBOL stack something more like primo tabs*better builder than var" and save the var for the summer cut of gods.
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im not sure if my source has primo tabs but ill check it out. if I can't get then is there anything else?
 
Viking23 said:
im not sure if my source had primo tabs but ill check it out. if I can't get then is there anything else?
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Dbol shouldn't be stacked with anything really except injects in my opinion but those primo tabs are a good second.You could also do stano(ph)

Dbol only cycles are hard to maintain,which is why people use test E with dbol.
weeks 1 -4 dbol,weeks 1-10 or 12 test E*takes a while to kick in*
This is done so your dbol gains can mature up so to speak while your still making gains off of test.
You can gain anywhere from 10 to 17+ on a gaining diet with dbol.
Test plus dbol?More like 15-27+

Important thing to remimber is to push yourself in pct to keep more gains.Don't deload.Don't miss a gym session.
 
Well I have test e on hand bit I wanted to run an oral first to see how well I can hold my gains. Is there anything I can stack with tbol cuz I have that as well
 
Viking23 said:
Well I have test e on hand bit I wanted to run an oral first to see how well I can hold my gains. Is there anything I can stack with tbol cuz I have that as well
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Tbol is a good multi use aas so yes! Stano, primo tabs,var,those liver friendly winstrols out there,trenazone, more more more
 
pyrobatt said:
Tbol is a good multi use aas so yes! Stano, primo tabs,var,those liver friendly winstrols out there,trenazone, more more more
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im working now but after i'll shoot you a pm with some ideas if thats cool?
 
Viking23 said:
im working now but after i'll shoot you a pm with some ideas if thats cool?
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Yeppers.On my way to the gym then work myself.
 
pyrobatt said:
Important thing to remimber is to push yourself in pct to keep more gains.Don't deload.Don't miss a gym session.
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Keep hearing conflicted opinions on how you should train in pct. Don't know who to believe because both sides make convincing arguments.
 
[QUOTE=" hearing conflicted opinions on how youshould train in pct. Don't know who to believe because both sides make convincing arguments.[/QUOTE]

personally I feel you want to lift heavy but cut down on the
the time your in the gym by doing less exercises
 
Viking23 said:
[QUOTE="ee%p hearing conflicted opinions on how you xq A ggj.

should train in pct. Don't know who to believe because both sides make convincing arguments.
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personally I feel you want to lift heavy but cut down on the
the time your in the gym[/QUOTE]

Yeah was thinking about switching from my high volume 5-6 day split (rolling schedule) to 5/3/1 with the BB accessory. Anyone's thoughts?
 
Viking23 said:
[QUOTE=" hearing conflicted opinions on how youshould train in pct. Don't know who to believe because both sides make convincing arguments.
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personally I feel you want to lift heavy but cut down on the
the time your in the gym by doing less exercises[/QUOTE]

Your training shouldn't change with steroids. It should be the same off cycle as on. I do add more cardio though.
 
Just made me reply as quote. LOL.
 
ITW said:
^ we're dumb. Just reply, **** the quote
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If it 5/3/1 works for you do it but don't change your routine just because of gear. Unless your powerlifting then you should.
 
Viking23 said:
dbol - 6 weeks @ 50mg ed + Ai

sd - 3 1/2 weeks @ 20mg ed

I kno running an oral only is a waste for the most part just something I was curious about
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I would bet you 100 bucks that you will lose about 70-80% of all your methyl oral gains from either Dbol or SD after 6 weeks off cycle.

I would bet if you ran Invalid Link Removed + Invalid Link Removed for 8 weeks you would gain similar and ALSO KEEP/MAINTAIN 70% or more of the gains....

-Matt
 
Viking23 said:
what's your thoughts on tbol?
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Tbol might be more maintainable than both SD or Dbol due to it not aromatizing and also NOT being a pregestin or 19nor --- but it will still shut you down very well.

YOu simply cannot expect to keep much in the way of gains from harsher methylated steroids....maybe anavar might be slightly more maintainable but you wont be gaining too much on that solo regardless. I really would consider AM + AE for 6-8 weeks.

-Matt
 
the only reason I ask is because I have 6 weeks of it laying around and was going to run it with test e but I would like to see if I can hold gains from an oral before jumping on the test. But ill def look into those two compounds and thanks for your help.
 
MattPorter said:
Tbol might be more maintainable than both SD or Dbol due to it not aromatizing and also NOT being a pregestin or 19nor --- but it will still shut you down very well.

YOu simply cannot expect to keep much in the way of gains from harsher methylated steroids....maybe anavar might be slightly more maintainable but you wont be gaining too much on that solo regardless. I really would consider AM + AE for 6-8 weeks.

-Matt
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I want to believe you wholeheartedly but its just hard because you're a rep. Wish I wasn't a broke college student and put it all to the test
 
ITW said:
I want to believe you wholeheartedly but its just hard because you're a rep. Wish I wasn't a broke college student and put it all to the test
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He's telling you the truth. The andro series is so easy to recover from. I did a 8 week andro hard plus drive run and my boys didn't loose size or atleast much. Test levels were "NORMAL" in about 2 weeks(blood test) vs 4 to 6 with other harsher phs. I think primordial performance knows what they are doing.if they dropped the price by even 10 bucks it would help though. I want to be a Rep because they are really the "ONLY"company I don't have a problem with except for the price. Quality stuff.
 
howwedo107 said:
Sd at 10mg for 6 weeks would be the most maintainable gains and some decent dry ones at that
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I have to agree, I just did this for the first recently, 5 weeks anyway. . . . I can't believe I had never run it at 10 before. . . 10mg pre w/o still affords a great performance boost in the gym , and super reduced the side effects. . . I will do this again and again Lord willing. . . .
 
ITW said:
I want to believe you wholeheartedly but its just hard because you're a rep. Wish I wasn't a broke college student and put it all to the test
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I understand completely -- but I have never BS'ed anyone and will admit when I think certain products of ours will be of little to no benefit for certain users (advanced aas users etc).

I really think this is the easiest method to achieve gains, and actually keep them since the recovery is a breeze.

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
I understand completely -- but I have never BS'ed anyone and will admit when I think certain products of ours will be of little to no benefit for certain users (advanced aas users etc).

I really think this is the easiest method to achieve gains, and actually keep them since the recovery is a breeze.

-Matt
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Would stacking AB and AH yield some nice gains that are easily kept? Was looking at either 2 AB 6 caps/day and AH 3 caps/day. Thanks
 
swolegame12 said:
Would stacking AB and AH yield some nice gains that are easily kept? Was looking at either 2 AB 6 caps/day and AH 3 caps/day. Thanks
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I'm pretty sure any of the androseris provides easily keepable gains. As long as diet is on point
 
swolegame12 said:
Would stacking AB and AH yield some nice gains that are easily kept? Was looking at either 2 AB 6 caps/day and AH 3 caps/day. Thanks
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Well I will be honest right now and say I think people have been more so let down from AndroBulk due to the hefty price tag and lack of miraculous gains. People gaining 8-12 lbs just isnt worth it to them for the expensiveness.

I would say you would be best suited trying something like AndroMass + AndroEnhance for 6-8 weeks -- had a few testers gain 12+ lbs and keep BF relatively the same.

-Matt
 
csa2179 said:
I'm pretty sure any of the androseris provides easily keepable gains. As long as diet is on point
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Lots of people have extremely poor regard to what reall proper nutrition is and also expect miracles to manifest through hormone usage --- quite delusional at times...

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
Lots of people have extremely poor regard to what reall proper nutrition is and also expect miracles to manifest through hormone usage --- quite delusional at times...

-Matt
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loved drive.Being defiant and cutting in the winter due to it being awesome to run out side in the winter and I'll be using androlean along side superdmz2.0 last 4 weeks.I'm running it now and its friggin awesome.The dmz that is.What do you suggest running along side androlean ?This will be a minor cut so hard or enhance is my thoughts.I'm leaning twords hard.
 
why do you want to run a oral only cycle if you already have your test on hand?? that's just more time wasted bro, you have all the knowledge & tools to make long term keepable gains, just get in there! (yeaa yea)
 
a friend ran trenazone 1ml for 3,5 weeks (probably a bit over a few days, since his bottel was empty a few days ahead of schedule. gained 7lbs...he was pretty maxed out naturally, and is kinda short like me, I`m 5`4", he`s 5`5" or something. making those gains better.
He had no sides except som lethargy, no ball shrink or libido issues. His pct was just the old novedex xt and the new anatropin along with zma.
3 weeks into pct, so far gotten stronger, and added 1-2lbs more ... so I say thats a mild but good product ...
He even drank a few beers every weekend.. (hence the reason for not doing anything harsh, impossible to stay away from a beer or four on a barbeque saturday during summer... )
Bodyfat stayed low, and vascularity increased.
He got some back acne thats clearing up now... but honestly, he is actually looking better every time I see him...18" arms on a low bodyfat 5`5" frame looks impressive... they where 17,5" before the cycel, I measuerd them... so finally he beats my arm size... that cheater ;-)
 
woodbear said:
a friend ran trenazone 1ml for 3,5 weeks (probably a bit over a few days, since his bottel was empty a few days ahead of schedule. gained 7lbs...he was pretty maxed out naturally, and is kinda short like me, I`m 5`4", he`s 5`5" or something. making those gains better.
He had no sides except som lethargy, no ball shrink or libido issues. His pct was just the old novedex xt and the new anatropin along with zma.
3 weeks into pct, so far gotten stronger, and added 1-2lbs more ... so I say thats a mild but good product ...
He even drank a few beers every weekend.. (hence the reason for not doing anything harsh, impossible to stay away from a beer or four on a barbeque saturday during summer... )
Bodyfat stayed low, and vascularity increased.
He got some back acne thats clearing up now... but honestly, he is actually looking better every time I see him...18" arms on a low bodyfat 5`5" frame looks impressive... they where 17,5" before the cycel, I measuerd them... so finally he beats my arm size... that cheater ;-)
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You forgot to mention your friend is extremely lucky and you wouldn't recommend anybody else not using a SERM during PCT.
 
I still have nolva, if he needed...but never did... trenazone with 1ml doses is possible to get by without a serm... I would not even try without for 6 weeks at 2ml etc...
Yep, he might have been lucky, but serms have their problems too, as I found out last year after havoc...
I would not try any hormone without having one ready... just in case

Most of my real juicing friends just use hcg after test/deca cycles, a few shots of that, and the two boys are usually back at it... serms and AI`s are just used if they start getting gyno. usually during cycles rather than after..
They kinda think the pct regiments for 4 week cycles most people here recommend are too strong for short cycles and will give more problems than the cycle itself... but hell... these guys are walking pharmacies... and don`t really know **** about these orals anyway... so I take their words with a grain of salt.

I just wanted to say, that my friend went through a mild cycle with small gains, but I thinks thats better than gaining twice the size, losing half and using a ****load of pct stuff to keep similar gains as he got... cheaper and kinder..
 
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