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Pro hormones harming my naturality?

Logan_Keene

Logan_Keene

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I'm about to run a pro hormone cycle and was wondering it it will harm my potential for natural gains, or would it make it difficult to have natural gains outside of this cycle? Would natural supplements, after this pro hormone stack, be weakened from me doing this??
 
I believe once you get IF you do get your test levels and everything else back to normal after your cycle you will be able to gain naturally just as easy if you eat right
 
I cant tell you about prohormones but for 100% certain I can tell you that with AAS like test and tren its not that simple.
1. if you do it properly youll overcome your genetic potential. This means that once your off I would not plan on making much in terms of gains if any. Youll likely lose some weight and alot of the hardness. This depends also on how far along you are. you may be able to maintain if you eat enough but youll not be in very good shape at that weight.
Look at guys like Kevin levrone, flex, Shawn ray....you think they like looking like skinny guys and fatasses..They dont. They just have little choice unless they hit the gas again.

2. you wont want to train without the gear.......trust me. Once your superhuman...human is never gonna cut it.

The good news is I doubt any prohormone is gonna take you beyond your genetic potential because they are just not strong enough.
 
Rule of thumb is to train naturally first and get as far as you can once you achieve that then that's when a prohormones or AAS will really shine, both can take you past your genetic potential but AAS will take you farther. As far as keeping gains after a cycle etc that all depends on proper PCT and diet if you have those down then you will be good and will keep your gains + starting to gain more.
 
brundel said:
I cant tell you about prohormones but for 100% certain I can tell you that with AAS like test and tren its not that simple.
1. if you do it properly youll overcome your genetic potential. This means that once your off I would not plan on making much in terms of gains if any. Youll likely lose some weight and alot of the hardness. This depends also on how far along you are. you may be able to maintain if you eat enough but youll not be in very good shape at that weight.
Look at guys like Kevin levrone, flex, Shawn ray....you think they like looking like skinny guys and fatasses..They dont. They just have little choice unless they hit the gas again.

2. you wont want to train without the gear.......trust me. Once your superhuman...human is never gonna cut it.

The good news is I doubt any prohormone is gonna take you beyond your genetic potential because they are just not strong enough.
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I second this I don't want to lose the elite feeling I have now. I dread coming off cycle.
 
brundel said:
I cant tell you about prohormones but for 100% certain I can tell you that with AAS like test and tren its not that simple.
1. if you do it properly youll overcome your genetic potential. This means that once your off I would not plan on making much in terms of gains if any. Youll likely lose some weight and alot of the hardness. This depends also on how far along you are. you may be able to maintain if you eat enough but youll not be in very good shape at that weight.
Look at guys like Kevin levrone, flex, Shawn ray....you think they like looking like skinny guys and fatasses..They dont. They just have little choice unless they hit the gas again.

2. you wont want to train without the gear.......trust me. Once your superhuman...human is never gonna cut it.

The good news is I doubt any prohormone is gonna take you beyond your genetic potential because they are just not strong enough.
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I agree I'm on cycle now and dread coming off I don't want to lose this elite feeling
 
In april I had a cardiac arrest.
Cycle was 1500-2000 test cyp
1000 eq
400 tren A
I was 235lbs at about 6%. Bf% was low enough that the measuring device was no longer able to register.
I have had to take 3 months off training and dropped to 2-3 meals per day. I lost about 35lbs.
Now.....Not wanting to go back on the gear I am beginning the long process of getting back into shape.
Im weaker
Less endurance
less drive
Less focus
I just dont feel like.....well superhuman......Its going to be a long road.
I dont know if I can regain my former glory without the drugs. Im gonna try.
I was WAY beyond my genetic potential so there is a good chance I wont be able to get back to the same weight at even close to that BF%

Which sucks ass.

Look at it like this though.
I lived a lot of years big as hell and strong as a bull elephant. I wouldnt trade it for anything and Id go back and do it again if I could.
But, one day you may have to accept normalcy and not expect much in terms of gains.
Its worth it yes.
 
brundel said:
In april I had a cardiac arrest.
Cycle was 1500-2000 test cyp
1000 eq
400 tren A
I was 235lbs at about 6%. Bf% was low enough that the measuring device was no longer able to register.
I have had to take 3 months off training and dropped to 2-3 meals per day. I lost about 35lbs.
Now.....Not wanting to go back on the gear I am beginning the long process of getting back into shape.
Im weaker
Less endurance
less drive
Less focus
I just dont feel like.....well superhuman......Its going to be a long road.
I dont know if I can regain my former glory without the drugs. Im gonna try.
I was WAY beyond my genetic potential so there is a good chance I wont be able to get back to the same weight at even close to that BF%

Which sucks ass.

Look at it like this though.
I lived a lot of years big as hell and strong as a bull elephant. I wouldnt trade it for anything and Id go back and do it again if I could.
But, one day you may have to accept normalcy and not expect much in terms of gains.
Its worth it yes.
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Thanks.
 
brundel said:
In april I had a cardiac arrest.
Cycle was 1500-2000 test cyp
1000 eq
400 tren A
I was 235lbs at about 6%. Bf% was low enough that the measuring device was no longer able to register.
I have had to take 3 months off training and dropped to 2-3 meals per day. I lost about 35lbs.
Now.....Not wanting to go back on the gear I am beginning the long process of getting back into shape.
Im weaker
Less endurance
less drive
Less focus
I just dont feel like.....well superhuman......Its going to be a long road.
I dont know if I can regain my former glory without the drugs. Im gonna try.
I was WAY beyond my genetic potential so there is a good chance I wont be able to get back to the same weight at even close to that BF%

Which sucks ass.

Look at it like this though.
I lived a lot of years big as hell and strong as a bull elephant. I wouldnt trade it for anything and Id go back and do it again if I could.
But, one day you may have to accept normalcy and not expect much in terms of gains.
Its worth it yes.
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Just out of curiosity - does cardiac arrest run in your family? Obviously you were running a ton of gear, but how much blame do you lay on the gear vs. your family history and personal habits/eating?

Also, I'm glad you mentioned drive and focus and motivation. To the OP - a lot of guys don't make any significant natural gains after cycling. But sometimes it's not even a physical component, it's simply mental. A lot of people will convince themselves, after having the superhuman feel that brundel speaks about, that they can never accomplish that again without gear. It's not always true, but you can't always help the way your mind works.
 
GreenEarth said:
Just out of curiosity - does cardiac arrest run in your family? Obviously you were running a ton of gear, but how much blame do you lay on the gear vs. your family history and personal habits/eating?

Also, I'm glad you mentioned drive and focus and motivation. To the OP - a lot of guys don't make any significant natural gains after cycling. But sometimes it's not even a physical component, it's simply mental. A lot of people will convince themselves, after having the superhuman feel that brundel speaks about, that they can never accomplish that again without gear. It's not always true, but you can't always help the way your mind works.
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Heart disease is rampant in my family on my mothers side, however, it is driven by extremely high cholesterol levels, clogged arteries and heart attacks. NOT cardiac arrest which is totally different.
My arteries are 100% clear.
I have eaten like a bodybuilder for a long time. Baked chicken, oatmeal, egg whites, brown rice, ezekiel bread...thats pretty much it.
My cholesterol levels are under the range for human normals.

HDL -26
LDL-51

So far nobody in my family except me has had a cardiac arrest and I dont share the genetic pre disposition for heart disease they do.
Hormonal abnormalities can cause arrhythmia.
This can lead to cardiac arrest....

So when your tinkering with your hormones understand that there IS a very real risk.
Im all for using steroids. Im not trying to tell you not too.

But know that there is the potential for fatal consequences.

Last year I personally know 3 people who died of cardiac arrest who were on AAS.
I also had a cardiac arrest. In my 30's
Last year Luke wood and Art atwood (pro bodybuilders) both died of cardiac arrest in their 30's.


You only live once. Live large and prosper. But know it may cut your life short.
 
Interesting. Certainly how extreme you go in terms of your anabolic use has a strong factor towards such risks. The guys you've mentioned - they were some massive competitors that I don't doubt were on a plethora of anabolics simultaneously.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Wood died because of some sort of kidney issue.
 
I wound up with an enlarged heart, but I was only using AAS for about 2 years or so (from 31-33 1/2)....and not in large doses, more average dosages....but I did use tons of ECA/Clen/Old-Old school PH's throughout all of my 20's...in addition to whatever was the next big thing in supplements at the time. I think it was more of a genetic thing, and what I took just exacerbated it until it became a noticeable problem....i know for a fact I exhibited symptoms in my late 20's (very slight symptoms) which was before any actual AAS use. People always bitch to me why I did not figure it out sooner, but contrary to their belief, these things sneak up on you and get WAY worse all of a sudden...sure you can notice the earlier signs and run to the doctor...but how many of "us" like doctors? almost none. we share a similar mentality that it will be fine and we shouldn't go to the doctor. but anyways, never had a heart attack or stroke or any of that....but now my heart is about 80+% of what it normally was since it was diagnosed and treated...I believe many or most of AAS users have an enlargement of the heart, they just don't know it or don't want to know :D....probably PH/DS and stim users as well....
 
You may be right with luke. I remember Luke got some UGL t3 and the idiots making em made em 200mg not 200MCG and Luke ate a bunch of em.
But art 100% heart attack and or cardiac arrest. Then drowning in his pool.
 
Logan_Keene said:
So what should I expect after this cycle??
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What I expect you'll do

do another cycle if you got crappy results - because you'll get it right next time
do another cycle if you got good results but didn't maintain them post PCT - because you'll get it right next time
do another cycle because you got good results and held a lot in PCT - because you'll get even more next time.

at least with the third you'll get gains. sadly the first two are more common. Can't tell much of where you are at size/bf wise from your picture, but where you start precycle, where you hit peak of cycle, where you hit end of pct and where you hit 3 months later will define what you should expect.
 
brundel said:
You may be right with luke. I remember Luke got some UGL t3 and the idiots making em made em 200mg not 200MCG and Luke ate a bunch of em.
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That's really sad. And scary, since most of us tend to buy from such sources. I guess that's just one of the risks of the business.

I tried searching about his death. It appears that he was having a kidney transplant, and after they finished the transplant his body "rejected the kidney" and he died from complications resulting from that (just quoting the source article). His heart may have been an issue after his body rejected it, but ultimately it does appear that his kidneys were the cause. Shame...I've always had a bit of a reservation towards trying T3, and that only makes me more worried, even if it was a mistake on the UGL's part. I'm surprised he didn't have more thyroid complications.
 
This is why Black Lion Research exists.
"research" chem companies are ALL shady.
I ordered nolva once and they sent clen.....200mcg/ml I thought it was 10mg nolva and took 400mcg......It was a nightmare I thought I was gonna die.
My goal is to make sure others dont have to go through this.
So we make a great suicidal AI
a prolactin supp
an acne supp
and the lineup will be rounded out soon with 2 more.
 
brundel said:
I cant tell you about prohormones but for 100% certain I can tell you that with AAS like test and tren its not that simple.
1. if you do it properly youll overcome your genetic potential. This means that once your off I would not plan on making much in terms of gains if any. Youll likely lose some weight and alot of the hardness. This depends also on how far along you are. you may be able to maintain if you eat enough but youll not be in very good shape at that weight.
Look at guys like Kevin levrone, flex, Shawn ray....you think they like looking like skinny guys and fatasses..They dont. They just have little choice unless they hit the gas again.

2. you wont want to train without the gear.......trust me. Once your superhuman...human is never gonna cut it.

The good news is I doubt any prohormone is gonna take you beyond your genetic potential because they are just not strong enough.
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this is correct for the most part. what is incorrect is the last statement about pro hormones.
 
ARJRCOX said:
I agree I'm on cycle now and dread coming off I don't want to lose this elite feeling
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Idk about you haha, but PCT has been just as awesome as being on for me. I've been making gains all through PCT minus the back pumps. Which might actually be better than when I was on cycle haha.
 
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