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Noortropics - when and why and why not!

StangBanger

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So I am experimenting with Noortropics. Basically for the fun of it and some real world uses as well. I have GAD (general anxiety disorder) but its very minor but on the rare occasion it 'flares up' I like to avoid taking meds of any kind.

So far I have tried Focus XT, Piracetam and Choline Citrate together and its great for studying and playing poker.

I just picked up Phenibut, Picamillion and PEA and 5HTP.

Phenibut was great when I had a stressful day and wanted to take a xanax, took a phenibut (1 pill) instead and was relaxed.

So for those in the know, how would you recommend Pica, PEA and 5HTP... seperate, together, after work/before bed or in the morning, etc...

Just curious how YOU are using it.

Thanks for any input.
 
I toyed around with nootropics last fall... They work, and some of them quite nicely... Managed to get myself to a top ranking of 361 (in the world) last fall on MW3's spec ops survival Bakaraa map while on Oxiracetam, Vinpocetine, Alpha GPC, 10mg Lithium Orotate, and 5G lecithin.

Easiest way to explain the feeling they produce is that everything is either easier, or sharper. The Vinpocetine made colors and sounds VERY vivid for me, it was as if life was in HD. It made music sound "bigger". Oxiracetam works... does much of the same, but I don't quite know how to explain the feeling or results, it needs to be supported with Alpha GPC and/or lecithin though.

You get the "this is ****ing awesome" feeling and mild euphoria from them without any sort of drugged feeling... They are nothing like anything I have taken before.

Now, this may sound strange, but I am on a cycle of Intimidate/Erase right now and I have noticed a nootropic effect from the combo as well. My daily vocabulary seems to have expanded some... No real explanation for that though.


I wish I could tell you they helped me in school, but I was past the point of not giving a **** long before I started experimenting... but when I go back next spring, I will check them out again. I do remember retaining things a little easier, and test seemed easier, but then again I wasn't stressing over anything school related at that point.
 
interested in this topic for me at work and writing articles as well as my son in the future.
I wonder if the NMDA receptor has any activity that would explian the nootropic feeling.
 
Coop I have a degree in nutrition LOL not memory.

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I've been using 5HTP (hoping for some sleep aid after melatonin did nothing)
at 100mg a day and it does jack with a side of skwat..

Totally useless for anything is "known" for, no sleep aid, no appetite suppression,
no mood enhancing effects. I tried dosing it in the morning too, same.
 
I was also a non responder to 5HTP. If sleep is what you're after get more potassium and magnesium in your diet... they play together, and I wound up having to supplement both to really get the benefit of either. Now that I've got my magnesium levels in check (which took a long long time), I'm back to sleeping without issue.

Magnesium oil worked for me, but it's a pain in the ass to get used to it.
 
AutoKal47 said:
I've been using 5HTP (hoping for some sleep aid after melatonin did nothing)
at 100mg a day and it does jack with a side of skwat..

Totally useless for anything is "known" for, no sleep aid, no appetite suppression,
no mood enhancing effects. I tried dosing it in the morning too, same.
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Stacked with some melatonin, it put me out very fast.
 
MonsterTruckr said:
I was also a non responder to 5HTP. If sleep is what you're after get more potassium and magnesium in your diet... they play together, and I wound up having to supplement both to really get the benefit of either. Now that I've got my magnesium levels in check (which took a long long time), I'm back to sleeping without issue.

Magnesium oil worked for me, but it's a pain in the ass to get used to it.
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I ran transdermal mag too, for over 5 month, got nothing out of it either and yes is a major pita to rub..

NomZ said:
Stacked with some melatonin, it put me out very fast.
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I wish it worked for me too, 5mg of melatonin (which is a lot) and 100mg 5htp, zero, nada.. I sleep for 2 hours then wake up
and never fall again
 
F melatonin... it gives me whacked out dreams... I did take a 5HTP last night for the first time in addition to HGHpro and like the effects....

Anyone with input on PEA or Pica?
 
AutoKal47 said:
I ran transdermal mag too, for over 5 month, got nothing out of it either and yes is a major pita to rub..



I wish it worked for me too, 5mg of melatonin (which is a lot) and 100mg 5htp, zero, nada.. I sleep for 2 hours then wake up
and never fall again
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Surely you're not only sleeping 2 hours a night?!
 
saggy321 said:
Surely you're not only sleeping 2 hours a night?!
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don't make me think about it.. yes for the past 2 weeks I slept 2 to 3 hours a night only,
left alone one day that I passed out for something like 7 hours during the day (my day off from work fortunately..)

It's a very stressful period and I used to have sleeping problems in past.
I'll have to go with some prescription med if it doesn't change, unfortunately all of them make me groggy the next day
we'll see
 
Benadryl aka diphenhydramine is the same med in the OTC sleep meds, although I think Unisom uses the antihistamine in niquil.

The trick with Benadryl is to chew it up, take it with two or three glasses of water, and immediately get in bed.

I personally avoid anything to "help" me sleep... I was hooked on Benadryl for 3 years, at times having to take 150mg to just sleep. Talk about hell...

Have you tried getting early morning sun or just more sun in general? How about killing your stim intake? Caffeine has a stupid long half life, and as I've gotten older has had a more pronounced effect on my sleep... (at 24, I'm old man river ya know...)

You need to try to find the root of your sleep issues, meds and supps will only cover up what's really up with you and usually make you feel like ****.
 
MonsterTruckr said:
Benadryl aka diphenhydramine is the same med in the OTC sleep meds, although I think Unisom uses the antihistamine in niquil.

The trick with Benadryl is to chew it up, take it with two or three glasses of water, and immediately get in bed.

I personally avoid anything to "help" me sleep... I was hooked on Benadryl for 3 years, at times having to take 150mg to just sleep. Talk about hell...

Have you tried getting early morning sun or just more sun in general? How about killing your stim intake? Caffeine has a stupid long half life, and as I've gotten older has had a more pronounced effect on my sleep... (at 24, I'm old man river ya know...)

You need to try to find the root of your sleep issues, meds and supps will only cover up what's really up with you and usually make you feel like ****.
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Thanks man, I'll check that out.

Eh, the root of my sleeping issues is stress coupled with my natural tendency to have 'em
Atm work has crazy schedule, and my workouts crazier than ever.. but those have always be crazy, not the problem.
Unfortunately I can't do anything right now to "slow down" hence, I need a temporary fix for the sleeping problems.
Yes I tried everything, i do have to wake up early everyday, my problem is that I can't fall asleep and I end up
at 5/7am that I'm @_@ staring at the walls.
I'm used to caffeine but i don't use it anymore (aside from the coffee thru the day, I need it to function..)
my only stim is Craze prewo but again, I've been using it for months non-stop and I was never a problem.

I know myself, as soon as things will go back to a more normal path I'll be ok, I just need something now
that knock me down when it's time to actually fall asleep
 
I'll tell you what worked for me. I'm usually a very good sleeper, but when I began to suffer from Adrenal problems I temporarily became an insomniac some nights not sleeping at all. Here's what helped....

Taurine 0.5 - 1g in the evening
Magnesium 2.6g (400mg elemental) in the evening
Theanine - only 250mg in the early evening
Phosphotidyl Serine 300 mg in the evening
Valerian extract 30 mins before ebd

The Taurine lowered the adrenaline output
The Magnesium worked will with the taurine
Theanine was relaxing without grogginess
The PS lowered cortisol
Valerian as a sleeping aid

Have been doing this for a month and my body has returned to its pre-adrenal problems state. I'm now sleeping through the night without waking up once.
 
AutoKal47 said:
Like i said, I wish they worked for me too, I've been running them together for a coupla weeks now,
aside a weird a## dream the first night, they're not giving me any result whatsoever
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thats strange to hear, the combination of melatonin, 5 htp, and valerian root is all i'll use anymore...i stay on the lower sides of dosages as well, that way i don't have the super vivid dreams

i've tried many of the hgh products on the market to help with sleep as well, but they are so hit or miss for me that i shy away from them anymore since i found what works well for me

maybe throw in some chamomile tea, i've stopped drinking it for now, but in the winter i look forward to a late night cup of it
 
When I did my DAA run, taking it at night with ZMA gave me the best sleep I can remember. I fell fast, and slept deep. Even when I woke to pee I would fall right back to sleep. And I am someone who suffers from a few weeks of insomnia every few months.
 
Young Gotti said:
thats strange to hear, the combination of melatonin, 5 htp, and valerian root is all i'll use anymore...i stay on the lower sides of dosages as well, that way i don't have the super vivid dreams

i've tried many of the hgh products on the market to help with sleep as well, but they are so hit or miss for me that i shy away from them anymore since i found what works well for me

maybe throw in some chamomile tea, i've stopped drinking it for now, but in the winter i look forward to a late night cup of it
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I don't know if that's it but, last night I drank a big cup of natural green tea before bed,
I usually do regular decaf tea but I ran out and I just bought the green one in the evening,
long story short: I felt extremely calm and *passed the f#ck out* 10 min after I went to bed
and slept for like 9 hours!

Now, I will do that tonight as well to see if that's actually it, but it could also be because of my
workout.. yesterday was back day, and my back day is, uh, massively taxing?
Yesterday happened to be a particularly good one,
I ruined on the floor, light headed, after my new PR at the 6th set of bb t-bar row, 330lbs x 6
and out of excitement weights went up on all the one arm db rows as well.. <3 back day :D
 
Could be the theanine in the green tea you drank, although not sure if there is enough in one cup to have a noticeable effect. Could your training volume combined with your low carb diet be preventing you from sleeping?
 
saggy321 said:
Could be the theanine in the green tea you drank, although not sure if there is enough in one cup to have a noticeable effect. Could your training volume combined with your low carb diet be preventing you from sleeping?
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My cup is 500ml, but still, I too wonder if that was enough, anyway I'll do it tonight again and see, and yes,
I agree it would be the theanine doing that.

On my diet/training, for someone starting to do that yes, definitely it could be the cause,
but i've been doing it for way too long, i know is not that.
I'm very "mental" if I'm nervous because of the job I can't stop thinking about it
and right now that's enough to causing me the sleeping issues :/
My wild guess is it could be the theanine just unplugging my brain somehow,
i wouldn't be surprised since nothing else worked so far, that is strange as well.
 
AutoKal47 said:
My cup is 500ml, but still, I too wonder if that was enough, anyway I'll do it tonight again and see, and yes,
I agree it would be the theanine doing that.

On my diet/training, for someone starting to do that yes, definitely it could be the cause,
but i've been doing it for way too long, i know is not that.
I'm very "mental" if I'm nervous because of the job I can't stop thinking about it
and right now that's enough to causing me the sleeping issues :/
My wild guess is it could be the theanine just unplugging my brain somehow,
i wouldn't be surprised since nothing else worked so far, that is strange as well.
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The theanine in a cup of green tea is most likely not at an appreciable amount for a noticeable effect of relaxation.

You're the ideal type of person for either an anxiolytic (Benzo's) or nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic (Ambien) considering you only need it for temporary relief. Why (besides waking up clouded) are you shying away from them?
 
aaronuconn said:
The theanine in a cup of green tea is most likely not at an appreciable amount for a noticeable effect of relaxation.

You're the ideal type of person for either an anxiolytic (Benzo's) or nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic (Ambien) considering you only need it for temporary relief. Why (besides waking up clouded) are you shying away from them?
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Yeah I agree, and proof is tonight I had the same issues falling asleep.. bah
I know Ambien knocks me out dead in seconds at half dose for a fact and the reason I ain't going there
is exactly that, waking up groggy and clouded. I need to be very sharp at work and I can't function that well
if I'm using it.. but at this point I think is the lesser of two evils, if I don't sleep I'm even worse I might have to
get a hold of it
 
I've used pea in the past, and it didn't do anything for me, honestly.

David
TEAM APPNUT
 
I've yet to open the PEA bottle... maybe today.

I took Piracetam, Choline Citrate, 5HTP, Alcar and picamillion and it was really nice!! very relaxed, but alert.
 
StangBanger said:
I've yet to open the PEA bottle... maybe today.

I took Piracetam, Choline Citrate, 5HTP, Alcar and picamillion and it was really nice!! very relaxed, but alert.
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Were you in any situations that would normally cause anxiety?

David
Team APPNUT
 
With all my college classes right now, topped off with anxiety, I am deffinately going to be subbed in this thread and check out a few of the suggestions so far.









jsg76
team APPNUT
 
drooks10 said:
Were you in any situations that would normally cause anxiety?

David
Team APPNUT
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I have GAD (general anxiety disorder) - I dont take any meds at all... so on days where it 'flairs up' I am looking for something to help combat it a bit.

So in this particular instance... no, just testing to see effects.
 
Got ya. I used to get anxiety pretty bad, man. I ended up getting a prescription for it, Zoloft. It worked great. I don't take anything now though, and very rarely get anxiety anymore.
 
AutoKal47 said:
Yeah I agree, and proof is tonight I had the same issues falling asleep.. bah
I know Ambien knocks me out dead in seconds at half dose for a fact and the reason I ain't going there
is exactly that, waking up groggy and clouded. I need to be very sharp at work and I can't function that well
if I'm using it.. but at this point I think is the lesser of two evils, if I don't sleep I'm even worse I might have to
get a hold of it
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Given Ambien's half life, give yourself 8 hours from time you take the dose and when you desire to wake up. It has an extremely short half life, but maybe you need more time.

When you wake up, just pop a caffeine pill or something of the sort.
 
drooks10 said:
Got ya. I used to get anxiety pretty bad, man. I ended up getting a prescription for it, Zoloft. It worked great. I don't take anything now though, and very rarely get anxiety anymore.
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I was on effexor for a year then switched to lexapro and now I dont take anything.. I would rather a few bad days here and there, then feeling like a zombie on those meds... I wasnt the same person when I was on them.

I've found that LDopa helps alot for me... I was surprised as I didnt expect anything from it but now I will swear by it.
 
aaronuconn said:
Given Ambien's half life, give yourself 8 hours from time you take the dose and when you desire to wake up. It has an extremely short half life, but maybe you need more time.

When you wake up, just pop a caffeine pill or something of the sort.
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Sleeping 8 hours straight right now would be a score for me..
I'll see if I can get a hold of some and give it a shot, I'll try it on a saturday night
in case i feel drowsy the next day I won't have to go to work, I can wait
to sober up before working out
 
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