Hair Loss Prevention

CEDeoudes59 said:
Hey guys, just a heads up-

A lot of us used Perfect Image's 15% minoxidil w/ 5% AA and has AWESOME results.
As you know, in December 2011- the FDA banned the sale of 15% minoxidil.
Oddly, Perfect Image LLC. closed up shop entirely.
Since then, in the past month, Perfect Image products have [seemingly] resurfaced in the form of "Minoxipro" and "Perfect Hair Shampoo,"

These products ARE NOT the same formulas that Perfect Image produced. They are just in similar packaging. Avoid Minoxipro and Perfect Hair Shampoo. They are deceptively marketed and don't meet the label claims. I orderred Minoxipro and it DID NOT have Azelaic Acid (or any clinically proven ingredients). They product is advertised as having a "DHT Blocker," it does not. It is just cheap, runny minoxidil that takes about 3 hours to dry.

Here is my video about the issue:
[video=youtube;nCa712d2pE0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCa712d2pE0[/video]
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Was wondering about this. Thanks for the heads up.
Outstanding said:
Regenepure DR! Nizoral really doesn't have a full battery of ingredients to combat hair loss, and it often irritates scalps.
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I'm going to have to try regenepure sooner rather then later. I take it the scalp irritation is less severe then regular niz shampoo alone. Nizoral aggravates the hell out of my head when I use it.
 
yeah I def. recommend regenepure DR.
it has Aloe Vera, not Sodium Laurel Sulfate.. way better especially if you are using it (and keeping it on your head) frequently
 
New hair loss treatment news.
Histogen completes phase II trials.
The phase one trials had one treatment and continued to re-grow hair for a year after. This is with multiple treatments getting significant regrowth after 3 months.
Check out there official PDF release flyer thing....

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When do most people experience the hair loss during for example a DBOL/TEST stack?

Ive been running it for 6 weeks and haven't noticed anything.
 
hey guys, just an update...

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I've been taking

40mg of DBOL daily for 4-5 weeks (finished)
625mg of test weekly for past 6 weeks... only have 1 or 1.5 weeks left of dosage
1 arimidex daily or every other day

I have some male pattern baldness in the family. My dad started going bald around late 30's but he had very thing hair. However my hair is VERY thick and grows pretty fast. I am 26 years old. However, I am very concerned about losing my hair. If I knew for a fact I would lose my hair I would probably switch to another type of gear right away. I have never had any signs of hair loss.
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I just finished the DBOL, and still have 1 or 2 shots of test left. I haven't experienced any hair loss whatsoever. I contacted the guy who is a big steroid user and hes pretty informative and knows a lot, he told me I shouldn't quit my cycle until at least 12 weeks to 16 weeks. However, I wanted to get other peoples opinion.

He recommended taking 3 shots a week of tren ace or masteron. He doesn't seem to be very informative on which anabolic steroids are bad for hair loss, but I wanted to get peoples opinion on whether or not its necessary to continue cycling (and if I can just jump into PCT after this test is done?)


By the way, I gained 15-20 pounds from this cycle... totally blown away.
 
I read your quote...

CEDeoudes59 said:
Hey guys, just a heads up-

A lot of us used Perfect Image's 15% minoxidil w/ 5% AA and has AWESOME results.
As you know, in December 2011- the FDA banned the sale of 15% minoxidil.
Oddly, Perfect Image LLC. closed up shop entirely.
Since then, in the past month, Perfect Image products have [seemingly] resurfaced in the form of "Minoxipro" and "Perfect Hair Shampoo,"

These products ARE NOT the same formulas that Perfect Image produced. They are just in similar packaging. Avoid Minoxipro and Perfect Hair Shampoo. They are deceptively marketed and don't meet the label claims. I orderred Minoxipro and it DID NOT have Azelaic Acid (or any clinically proven ingredients). They product is advertised as having a "DHT Blocker," it does not. It is just cheap, runny minoxidil that takes about 3 hours to dry.
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AFTER already buying a couple of the Perfect Hair shampoos (below)

Outstanding said:
Awesome, I just bought some before reading this, haha!
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But then realized, I don't think we're talking about the same products after all - mine is a shampoo called Perfect Hair BY Alkam Inc (I don't think I can post a link), that is greenish and has an amazing lathering action. I use this WITH Regenepure DR, and then follow up with Revita.COR conditioner, and ultimately end with Minoxidil foam, plus AA 5%, and some of DS Labs Spectral RS Thinning Hair Treatment.

DS Labs packaging is crazy good, it's almost too good, if that makes sense. It comes with pamphlets that look like something straight out of the future of some Hollywood movie. As far as results, I don't know, it's been a week.

Anyway, I also ordered a kilogram of caffeine raw powder and some additional saw palmetto extract to add to the shampoos to combat DHT proliferation and also increase blood flow and follicle health/stimulation! :)

Thoughts man?
 
hmmmm do you guys think h-drol would cause some hair loss, and if it would how would you mitigate it. i know some take finastreride but when would you take it, during the whole cycle or after...
 
The 4-chloro group in H-drol keeps it from being 5 alpha reduced. In other words, no conversion to DHT or other 5aR androgens. It's fine for your hair. Someone will probably tell you, "bro, I took it and noticed shedding." You hair is ALWAYS shedding. It's part of the normal process of the hair growth cycle. Look at your girlfriend's brush -- it's full of hair. Is she going bald? No.

If you are already currently losing your hair, then you should already be treating it with something like minoxidil and finasteride. However, finasteride will not do a damn thing with respect to Hdrol since Hdrol is not effected by 5aR and finateride is a 5aR inhibitor. What it WILL do, it make you more prone to gyno during or following PCT. If you were using something that converts to DHT like test, then finasteride would help mitigate any hair loss from high DHT levels, but you aren't going to get that from Hdrol.

kojack said:
hmmmm do you guys think h-drol would cause some hair loss, and if it would how would you mitigate it. i know some take finastreride but when would you take it, during the whole cycle or after...
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Giving my 2 cents... I've used 0.5mg finasteride, 2x rogaine daily and 2x minox every week sundays and wednesdays. I'm 23 years old and I have some mpb and I've got nice results within last 5 months. You really shouldn't use fin 5mg daily in any case! I haven't got any sides from finasteride if we don't count new hairs :D

I feel quite confident to say that this has stopped my hairloss.

Edit: In my case, a doc prescribed me fin in my hcme country but soon after that I moved into the United States for 8 months. I didn't want to pay 200$-300$ to get a new prescription in here and I didn't want to take a chance with customs so I did bring 3 month of dose in 5 mg pills and I've split them in 10 pieces so I got fin almost for 8 months. Some days every once in a while I took only 0.25mg so I could get the fin last long enough. But after I've moved back to my old country I'll begin to use 1mg/day
 
Yes, keep in mind that the FDA dose for finasteride is 1mg every day. Propecia is the brand name for 1mg finasteride. However, if you buy brand name Propecia you will spend like 8 times what you'll spend on 5mg finasteride. I know it doesn't make any sense, but that's Big Pharma for you. The best thing to do is buy finasteride which comes in 5mg tabs, then use a pill splitter to cut them into quarters. You'll end up with 1.25mg doses, but that extra .25 won't do any harm. Most doctors in the know will prescribe finasteride over Propecia to save you money, and will say to take 1/4 pill every day. Minoxidil should be used 2x a day, every day. Don't buy brand name Rogain -- just generic minoxidil. Go to Costco or Target or some place, and you can pick up 6 months worth for very little money. It's nonhormonal and the worst sides people get from it is an irritated scalp if they are sensitive to the alcohol or PPG in the carrier.

darkstr said:
Giving my 2 cents... I've used 0.5mg finasteride, 2x rogaine daily and 2x minox every week sundays and wednesdays. I'm 23 years old and I have some mpb and I've got nice results within last 5 months. You really shouldn't use fin 5mg daily in any case! I haven't got any sides from finasteride if we don't count new hairs :D

I feel quite confident to say that this has stopped my hairloss.
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BigKoolWhip said:
im 17 and losing my head hair should my body hair still be growing cause its not. lol
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If you don't have "a normal amount" of bodyhair I would wildly guess you may suffer low testoterone levels... You should go to see a doctor and ask a full blood test. The reason could also be the thyroid gland and you may have hyperthyroidism or dysfunction.
 
Hey guys, I don't have too many recommendations as of late since the "stack" I'm using is working really well for nearly everyone I've talked to (Thank God) in light of the FDA pulling the Perfect Image formulas.

Back in November, this random Chinese company asked me to be a lab rat for their new product after seeing my website (hairlossfromsteroids.com), even though their research and pictures [of rats/mice that had hair ALL over them] were impressive, I declined since my treatments were working just fine. Anyway, I noticed that they used this special "microneedle" roller that helped their formula better penetrate the skin and absorb in the hair follicles. About ~6 weeks ago I found one of the microneedle (1.5mm) rollers and started using it as part of my routine. Long story short, it definitely helps. I have hair in areas that have been gone for years. This isn't to suggest "THIS WILL REGROW YOUR HAIR," but rather it's definitely evidence [to me] that MORE minoxidil and azelaic acid is making it to the hair follicles and evidence that the rest of my hair (where you can't see significant thinning) is benefiting as well. This is important because the 'carriers' in a lot of these formulas are questionable at best, especially the generic ones.

In short, this specific needle is inexpensive and FDA-approved for this usage (hair loss) and by it specific dimensions. It's usually used for anti-aging by women because it increases colligen production and allow for topical cosmetic treatments to better penetrate the skin. It's totally safe for the scalp, considering people use it on their face. It works good and certainly I'll keep you updated. If nothing else, I have peace of mind that the minoxidil isn't just "sitting" on my scalp... it's going where it's supposed to go. It's easy to figure out how to use it- it feels like little pricks/pokes, NO BLOOD, doesn't hurt, there is some initial redness (there's supposed to be) afterward. Use the roller on your hair line/crown/other thinning areas and apply your topical treatments AFTER. I suggest only using the microneedle roller once a day because you are making very small incisions/abrasions to the surface of your scalp (~1.5mm deep).

Here's the video I did on my Youtube channel (click over to youtube if you want to see the table of contents for the video)
haha, video isn't as exciting as it looks...
[video=youtube;gecBiXSogxc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gecBiXSogxc[/video]

... if you have any experience with this microneedle (or other similar FDA-approved ones), feel free to let me know. I usually like to use stuff for at least 90days (more like ~6months) before recommending it, but this one will probably be a winner for everyone using minoxidil w/ azelaic acid.
 
Cellardude said:
if you already know you lose hair, do NOT RUN epi if you want to keep your hair.

finastride is a 5-AR inhibitor It does not directly prevent hair loss.

We all know that DHT plays some responsible role in hair loss. Although it is still unsure how exactly the mechanics of this works, 5 alpha reductase inhibitors stop DHT of a certain kind so to speak from binding to the hair follicles.

You see, testosterone is a prohormone to DHT. If you only had tesosterone flowing in you without any rate of conversion, from test to DHT you wouldn't grow as much as some test users claim. Heck it would probably be a bit off from natty growth.

Anyhow, there are different methods of DHT that are still unknown. The one that is known is the conversion from testosterone to DHT. Finastride will to an extent I believe stop conversion or "inhibit" the 5 alpha reductase which is responsible for the conversion. This in result means less DHT in the body and less shedding.

What's also kinda fascinating is that there are different genetics for hairloss. Some people can have a crapload of DHT flowing in their body without hairloss while others cannot. If you are shedding/receding havoc/epi will run havoc on your hair. :lol:

If you don't trust me try it for 5 weeks on 40mg. Youll probably notice 1/3rd of the hair on your head gone.

Different people have different sensitivities. If you want to incorperate finastride to prevent hairloss run it with test. Some people will notice less shedding, some will notice no shedding. It really depends on the individual.

Good luck and DONT RUN EPI and finastride, it will be a waste of finastride and you will STILL lose hair!
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Wish I would have read this post. Havoc raped my hairline.
 
Oh jeez, unfortunately it seems that I'm very prone to hair loss. Tried to run LG's MMv3 and M1D-Black and both of these products made me shed as hell as soon as on 2nd or 3rd day! Anyway I did invest a couple of hundreds for these so I'm still thinking that if I lose my hair due to ph's will it ever grow back afterwards ? The hunger to run these products instead of throwing them away is quite huge but on the other hand I'm quite young 23... So it would be nice to keep my hair a few more years.

As to give a some kind of point of view. I lost maybe as much hair in 2.5 weeks ( where I ran Mmv3 three days then a week off and then M1D-Black four days and stopped taking it yesteday ), as I've regrowth with finasteride and minoxidil within last 6 months. The shedding is insane when I touch my hair I'll get 3-5 hairs in every single time and now I kinda regret even trying these :(
 
Quick question guys. With minoxidil will it work all over your scalp or just on the top as the directions say. I ask because I'm thinning on sides as well. Also I find I can't cover all the areas I need as directed with just one ml, is it okay to use say 1.5?
 
hugry4more said:
Quick question guys. With minoxidil will it work all over your scalp or just on the top as the directions say. I ask because I'm thinning on sides as well. Also I find I can't cover all the areas I need as directed with just one ml, is it okay to use say 1.5?
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Nevertheless that manufacturer says it it works only your crown area minoxil will work on other areas also. I guess it mostly depends on person. One may respond better than another. Personally I successed regrowth my temples almost back within 6 months, also got better hairline and thicker hair allover. What comes about the dosage I would say 1ml is way too less to cover everything. You may want buy generic liquid minoxidil and rogainefoam and use them as: rogaine in the morning and liquid in the evening coz it takes time to dry and can look greasy. Since generic minoxidil is really cheap ( 3 bottles / 18$ ) you can even use it a bit more in the evening. I've used minoxil in that way for last 4 months and if I buy 3month supply rogaine foam ( lasts 3 months ) and 3 month supply of generic liquid ( lasts maybe 9 to 10 weeks ).

Personally I think rogaine works better than generic or then the shedding even before my PH's was just bad luck. Coz at one point I used only generic liquid and noticed some shedding after being 3 weeks without rogaine foam and I still used quite a lot liquid twice a day.
 
hugry4more said:
Quick question guys. With minoxidil will it work all over your scalp or just on the top as the directions say. I ask because I'm thinning on sides as well. Also I find I can't cover all the areas I need as directed with just one ml, is it okay to use say 1.5?
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You would be fine using 1.5 ml.
 
It is effective all over the scalp. The reason they can only use the crown (top of the head) in the instructions is that the crown was the only area used in the FDA trials. It is therefor FDA approved only for that area. However, as any dermatologist will tell you, the cause of balding at the crown is the same as for the hairline (front) and there is no reason why it would be effective at that crown and not on the hairline. Ignore anyone who tells you otherwise.

hugry4more said:
Quick question guys. With minoxidil will it work all over your scalp or just on the top as the directions say. I ask because I'm thinning on sides as well. Also I find I can't cover all the areas I need as directed with just one ml, is it okay to use say 1.5?
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I bought enough for about 3 months of Ru58841 but never started it because the US source dried up and I didn't want to begin it and then have to stop.
 
Hi guys, Im new to this, and want to ask if using a product like LIPOGAINE would be a waste during an Hdrol/stano cycle since this product has a DHT blocker ingredient?

Thanks for the support.
 
1kerry said:
Hi guys, Im new to this, and want to ask if using a product like LIPOGAINE would be a waste during an Hdrol/stano cycle since this product has a DHT blocker ingredient?

Thanks for the support.
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Not a waste but a necessity if your worried about hair loss with that cycle. Seeing as how one of your products is a direct dht precursor, I'd say it's a good idea.
 
rambo679 said:
I bought enough for about 3 months of Ru58841 but never started it because the US source dried up and I didn't want to begin it and then have to stop.
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Where can you find this? Have you tried it before?
 
prld2gr8ns said:
Not a waste but a necessity if your worried about hair loss with that cycle. Seeing as how one of your products is a direct dht precursor, I'd say it's a good idea.
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I'm thinking about running a Halodrol cycle. I have some susceptibility to MPB, but nothing drastic. 31 and still have good hair and I've corrected any excessive shedding with holistic measures (if anybody wants to know I'd be happy to share). But I've got a strong itch to cycle. Never done it, and after 14 years of natural training, I think I deserve it. From everything I've gathered, Halodrol seems to be the safest for the hair. But I read occasional reports on it causing hair loss. Would Ketoconazole shampoo and azelaic acid combat this? Halo is a DS to Turinabol, which has an androgenic rating of almost zero. So if it does not manifest DHT, then what specifically is causing the hair loss? Anybody have experience with this DS?
 
rockme said:
I'm thinking about running a Halodrol cycle. I have some susceptibility to MPB, but nothing drastic. 31 and still have good hair and I've corrected any excessive shedding with holistic measures (if anybody wants to know I'd be happy to share). But I've got a strong itch to cycle. Never done it, and after 14 years of natural training, I think I deserve it. From everything I've gathered, Halodrol seems to be the safest for the hair. But I read occasional reports on it causing hair loss. Would Ketoconazole shampoo and azelaic acid combat this? Halo is a DS to Turinabol, which has an androgenic rating of almost zero. So if it does not manifest DHT, then what specifically is causing the hair loss? Anybody have experience with this DS?
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What is your holistic solution
 
deeznu said:
What is your holistic solution
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Having great results with vegan/raw shampoos and conditioners for years now. I also installed a filtration system in my shower. My hair grows like a weed and maintains a very healthy, full appearance. If I ever cycle though I will do a ketoconazole shampoo with azelaic acid probably
 
Clemenza said:
Where can you find this? Have you tried it before?
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I never tried it because once I got my chemistry set together and had 3 months worth of the drug, the US source dried up so I didn't want to start and then have to stop.

Lots of folks, but not all, on the various hair loss sites have had results with it. Maitenance more than anything and regrowth in many cases.

The main sources are chinese sources such as kouting chemical, and Ontario Chemicals, which is in Canada but is just a reseller of the Chinese supply. The people who have gotten results have been using the Chinese stuff and someone even had it tested and it showed up as pure, it's just very involved as you have to wire them the money and it has to go through customs.

If you go to the experimental treatment section at hairlosshelp.com/forums there is a lot more info. The main RU guy there goes by El Duterino.

There is a site with many of these treatments but it's based in Costa Rica and I have heard absolutely no feedback on its legitmacy.

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So I'd wait before buying from them, but it is another option.
 
rambo679 said:
I never tried it because once I got my chemistry set together and had 3 months worth of the drug, the US source dried up so I didn't want to start and then have to stop.

Lots of folks, but not all, on the various hair loss sites have had results with it. Maitenance more than anything and regrowth in many cases.

The main sources are chinese sources such as kouting chemical, and Ontario Chemicals, which is in Canada but is just a reseller of the Chinese supply. The people who have gotten results have been using the Chinese stuff and someone even had it tested and it showed up as pure, it's just very involved as you have to wire them the money and it has to go through customs.

If you go to the experimental treatment section at hairlosshelp.com/forums there is a lot more info. The main RU guy there goes by El Duterino.

There is a site with many of these treatments but it's based in Costa Rica and I have heard absolutely no feedback on its legitmacy.

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Thanks. Any sides with topical ru? Systemic absorption?

I was using keto2% cream but could swear I was getting systemic absorption so I stopped. I've pretty much thrown in the white towel at this point unfortunately.

I can't handle the sides and don't like the idea of being on a pharmaceutical drug the rest of my Life just for my hair.
 
I never ended up using it but do to my expert and obsseive foruming I have some anecdotal info for you on side effects.
In high doses RU58841 can go systemic but the good news is that:
A.) It takes a lot to cause side effects in a highly absorbable vehicle. Most people who got sides were kinda pushing the limit on how much % was in their soltution at the time specifically to try and see where side effects occur. The benefit of RU is supposed to be that it is almost side effect free.
B.) The drug is out of your system in 24 hours or less so if you by chance go over the dose limit for yourself and get some anti androgenic sides, they will be gone by the next day. This is opposed to finasteride where if you get sides it's beause you eliminated a large portion of DHT and now have to wait for the drug to clear and more importantly, for your body to manufacture enough for sides to clear.

Keep in mind I've never used the stuff personally but this is the consensus among most users I've encountered.
 
rockme said:
I'm thinking about running a Halodrol cycle. I have some susceptibility to MPB, but nothing drastic. 31 and still have good hair and I've corrected any excessive shedding with holistic measures (if anybody wants to know I'd be happy to share). But I've got a strong itch to cycle. Never done it, and after 14 years of natural training, I think I deserve it. From everything I've gathered, Halodrol seems to be the safest for the hair. But I read occasional reports on it causing hair loss. Would Ketoconazole shampoo and azelaic acid combat this? Halo is a DS to Turinabol, which has an androgenic rating of almost zero. So if it does not manifest DHT, then what specifically is causing the hair loss? Anybody have experience with this DS?
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hdrol is one of the safer hormones to run if worried about your hairline. If you don't have a large degree of susceptibility then a good ketoC/AA shampoo would be fine. I've ran the hormone before in the past and had nothing but positive results from it, with the exception of the occasional calf cramps (keep in mind that I am a supporter of the less is more motif and I was only running 25mg/day). As to why it causes hair loss in some and not others, well you answered your own question there. Almost zero doesn't mean zero.
 
rockme said:
I'm thinking about running a Halodrol cycle. I have some susceptibility to MPB, but nothing drastic. 31 and still have good hair and I've corrected any excessive shedding with holistic measures (if anybody wants to know I'd be happy to share). But I've got a strong itch to cycle. Never done it, and after 14 years of natural training, I think I deserve it. From everything I've gathered, Halodrol seems to be the safest for the hair. But I read occasional reports on it causing hair loss. Would Ketoconazole shampoo and azelaic acid combat this? Halo is a DS to Turinabol, which has an androgenic rating of almost zero. So if it does not manifest DHT, then what specifically is causing the hair loss? Anybody have experience with this DS?
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The androgenic rating for h-drol is not almost zero unless you are speaking/taking the illegal version. H-drol/Halo has a low andro#, but the illegal turinabol is supposedly lower, so MPB might be a tad higher with H-drol. Its still one of the lowest (28) with superdrol being even lower (20). I would imagine the longer you run it the bigger the chances for shedding. But if you gotta run something, thats the one to do. I get little to no shedding on Halo or Superdrol.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
hdrol is one of the safer hormones to run if worried about your hairline. If you don't have a large degree of susceptibility then a good ketoC/AA shampoo would be fine. I've ran the hormone before in the past and had nothing but positive results from it, with the exception of the occasional calf cramps (keep in mind that I am a supporter of the less is more motif and I was only running 25mg/day). As to why it causes hair loss in some and not others, well you answered your own question there. Almost zero doesn't mean zero.
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I am also of the "less is more" philosophy, though I would probably go with 50 mg. tops. So I looked it up and Turinabol does have an androgenic rating of 0 according to VIDA. I suspect that those who shed on Halo probably have unrelated circumstances that cause it, or were shedding all along and just became aware of it since they are "on."
 
Jessep76 said:
The androgenic rating for h-drol is not almost zero unless you are speaking/taking the illegal version. H-drol/Halo has a low andro#, but the illegal turinabol is supposedly lower, so MPB might be a tad higher with H-drol. Its still one of the lowest (28) with superdrol being even lower (20). I would imagine the longer you run it the bigger the chances for shedding. But if you gotta run something, thats the one to do. I get little to no shedding on Halo or Superdrol.
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Great, man. I also am considering Super, but will run milder Halo first. What were your doses for each and did you use a keto shampoo or anything of the like?
 
rockme said:
Great, man. I also am considering Super, but will run milder Halo first. What were your doses for each and did you use a keto shampoo or anything of the like?
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I've been using a prescribed keto 2% for a little over a year, but I'm thinking of switching to the stuff on amazon. I don't notice regrowth, but the extra hairs in the sink are minimal. I had to get a leave in conditioner though to combat the chemicals in it. This stuff actually makes my head itch (side note). I do the low doses also. 50mg of h-drol. Super only at 5-10mg which seems to still do wonders at barely 3 weeks. Less gains, but less chance of shed or liver problems.
I dropped the propecia on account of the hype and also some stuff my Dr. mentioned. He says they're trying to find out whether or not it helps the prostate at all or just hides symptoms.

Interesting about the above stating possible systemic symptoms from keto. I was starting to wonder if it was even working for me lol. Maybe its better than I thought. I also have the 2% cream that I rub along the hair line while on cycle.....ya know just incase haha.
 
Jessep76 said:
I've been using a prescribed keto 2% for a little over a year, but I'm thinking of switching to the stuff on amazon. I don't notice regrowth, but the extra hairs in the sink are minimal. I had to get a leave in conditioner though to combat the chemicals in it. This stuff actually makes my head itch (side note). I do the low doses also. 50mg of h-drol. Super only at 5-10mg which seems to still do wonders at barely 3 weeks. Less gains, but less chance of shed or liver problems.
I dropped the propecia on account of the hype and also some stuff my Dr. mentioned. He says they're trying to find out whether or not it helps the prostate at all or just hides symptoms.

Interesting about the above stating possible systemic symptoms from keto. I was starting to wonder if it was even working for me lol. Maybe its better than I thought. I also have the 2% cream that I rub along the hair line while on cycle.....ya know just incase haha.
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You should look into Regenepure, it's the best shampoo I've ever used.
About a year ago, I started to get concerned with my hairline in front and around my temples.
Not wanting to use minoxidil, or propecia due to the side effects, I decided to look into natural remedies.
I use beta Sitosterol, saw palmetto, toco 8, and Regenepure.
Since being on these products, my hair is thicker, the area of concern to me has filled back in, and my hairline is better than its ever been.
A side note, their was a small bit of grey in my beard, that has disappeared.
Now I am not saying that these product will work for everybody, and since I started using these products early, I may be getting better results, but they are working for me,
And I don't have to deal with side effects of any kind.
Just my personal experience.
Peace
 
Jessep76 said:
Not bad. Mine's short as well. You use every day or EOD? Does it make your scalp tender?
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I was using it EOD for a while and I ran out of regular shampoo so I have been using it everyday and often twice a day with no scalp issues. However, I never have seemed to notice scalp issues with any shampoo so who knows. I doubt you would ever have any though especially using it eod.
 
mstep said:
any good if it is just ran solo? currently just usin nioxin sham/cond. no more fina or duta for me, took forever to get libido back
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I hope you don't think Nioxin will do anything to prevent your hairloss. If you don't want to mess with your DHT, then just use Minoxidil. It's really cheap, non-hormonal, and it works.
 
greaser said:
I hope you don't think Nioxin will do anything to prevent your hairloss. If you don't want to mess with your DHT, then just use Minoxidil. It's really cheap, non-hormonal, and it works.
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i wanted too but i also hear horror stories. some men just go completely bald quicker
 
mstep said:
any good if it is just ran solo? currently just usin nioxin sham/cond. no more fina or duta for me, took forever to get libido back
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It isn't a miracle product, it is a vitamin that has been shown to be of benefit to hair growth, so I would consider it a support supplement towards the maintenance and potential regrowth of hair. Considering the additional health benefits it presents, it to me, has always just been a "smart" thing to run.
 
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