PES Summer Shred! --- AnaBeta Elite/Erase Pro/AlphaT2/DAA --- w/extras!
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BPjohn123
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I've used clen in the past but only for very short cycles. I'll be watching your progress Brutha.
Natestreo
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Hanging tight this morning with 80mcg again today. I don't want to get above this with my clen tabs because I don't want to be mixing too much when my oral clen comes. Keeping my dosage lower now will prevent me from this.
80mcg felt good yesterday. had a really strong sweat at the gym and I peed like a race horse all day.
One of the mistakes I made last time using clen was than I ran the dosage up too quickly, I think. I ended up dosing 180mcg by the end of the first week and saw the clen wear off too quickly. I'm hoping to avoid that this time around. Especially with Ketotifen!
80mcg felt good yesterday. had a really strong sweat at the gym and I peed like a race horse all day.
One of the mistakes I made last time using clen was than I ran the dosage up too quickly, I think. I ended up dosing 180mcg by the end of the first week and saw the clen wear off too quickly. I'm hoping to avoid that this time around. Especially with Ketotifen!
Natestreo
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Weighed in at a very wet 183.5 this morning. Weight loss is happening again! Plateau = officially broken after only 3 days on Clen.
I also measured my bodyfat percentage on a digital machine at the gym. Im not sure of its accuracy so take this with a grain of salt. The machine measured me at 7.2% ... I would guess myself at the 8.5-9% range more likely. Hard to tell since I hold so much water. All of which is incredibly noticeable I might add, especially because it the low bodyfat level.
Strength was good again today. Managed 500 calories of cardio as well. Definitely having good training sessions since starting Clen.
I'll post up some more info on training and diet later. Busy day today!
I also measured my bodyfat percentage on a digital machine at the gym. Im not sure of its accuracy so take this with a grain of salt. The machine measured me at 7.2% ... I would guess myself at the 8.5-9% range more likely. Hard to tell since I hold so much water. All of which is incredibly noticeable I might add, especially because it the low bodyfat level.
Strength was good again today. Managed 500 calories of cardio as well. Definitely having good training sessions since starting Clen.
I'll post up some more info on training and diet later. Busy day today!
wasme
Legend
Really glad you wrote this up... I have been a REALLY long time user of homemade ECA stack.. and wanted to try something different. I find due to ECA probably making me stim tolerant, not many fat burners work so well for me. How much clen do you take per dose/day..
wasme
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Sorry man don't know how I missed this... what would be a good start dose though for a first timer
Natestreo
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Holy crap....long day. Work kicked my butt today, not the usual work load. 14 hours today!
I'll update for today after my workout tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. I gotta get to bed!
A few thoughts on today while im thinking about it:
- pee'd like crazy today
- feeling very hard and vascular
- no hunger whatsoever. very strong appetite supressant effect.
Today I used 80mcg. This seems to be a good dose. Sides a very low and this was my second day at 80mcg, moving to 100mcg tomorrow.
Tomorrow is a high carb day. Back training. 100mcg Clen!
Thoughts to come tomorrow. Thanks for following along, everyone!
I'll update for today after my workout tomorrow. Sorry, everyone. I gotta get to bed!
A few thoughts on today while im thinking about it:
- pee'd like crazy today
- feeling very hard and vascular
- no hunger whatsoever. very strong appetite supressant effect.
Today I used 80mcg. This seems to be a good dose. Sides a very low and this was my second day at 80mcg, moving to 100mcg tomorrow.
Tomorrow is a high carb day. Back training. 100mcg Clen!
Thoughts to come tomorrow. Thanks for following along, everyone!
Natestreo
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bean5er said:
Old clen is tablet form. New clen is liquid. They're both oral, of course =P
I'm curious to see the strength differences in the two sources of clen. My old clen is proving to be very strong, actually. If the new clen isnt at least as strong as my old clen then we might have a debate on our hands as to what one to use, but I expect the new clen to be stronger, still.
Dosing will be the same quantities, though. 60mcg tab = 60mcg liquid
Jim2542
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Natestreo said:
Lol 14 hour workdays are my life. Good to I'm not the only one!
On an unrelated note. Guess who just found a world gym off post (this guy) I now pay monthly to workout there as opposed to the on post gyms I can get into for free. It just has more stuff and better people. (And pictures of Arnold which always motivate me to lift more weight.)
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Natestreo
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Standing over the last set of heavy deadlifts that you feel too fatigued to pull: that's when you remember all the nights of a little less sleep, all the days of a little less food. That's when you remember what it means to you. One last set could make all the difference. Don't quit.
Motivated this morning. I want this. I won't quit.
Motivated this morning. I want this. I won't quit.
Natestreo
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Yesterday was a no carb day, shoulder training.
Training:
Military Press: 115x12, 135x10, 185x8, 205x8, 225x8
Leverage Shoulder Press: 50x12, 80x10, 100x8, 100x8, 120x8
Cable Rope Rear Delt Rows: 70x15 - 5 sets
Smith Machine Upright Row: barx15, barx15
DB Front Raise(superset): 15x12, 15x10
DB Side Raise(superset): 15x12, 15x6
Cardio: 300 cal stairmaster intervals, 200 cal treadmill incline walking
Training went well. Got to my goal of 500 calories on cardio!
Diet:
Calories: 1602, Carb: 39, Fat: 45, Protein: 250
Only posting totals. Im a bit behind with the log (1 day feels like too much). Also very busy the last few days. Sorry for my brevity!
Training:
Military Press: 115x12, 135x10, 185x8, 205x8, 225x8
Leverage Shoulder Press: 50x12, 80x10, 100x8, 100x8, 120x8
Cable Rope Rear Delt Rows: 70x15 - 5 sets
Smith Machine Upright Row: barx15, barx15
DB Front Raise(superset): 15x12, 15x10
DB Side Raise(superset): 15x12, 15x6
Cardio: 300 cal stairmaster intervals, 200 cal treadmill incline walking
Training went well. Got to my goal of 500 calories on cardio!
Diet:
Calories: 1602, Carb: 39, Fat: 45, Protein: 250
Only posting totals. Im a bit behind with the log (1 day feels like too much). Also very busy the last few days. Sorry for my brevity!
Natestreo
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Today was back training, high carb (thank god)
Training:
Deadlift: 135x12, 225x10, 315x8, 315x8
Wide Grip Pull Ups: 10, 10, 8
Chin Ups: 8, 8
Reverse Grip Bent Over Rows: bar x 15 - 5 sets
Cardio: 60 cals stairmaster, 250 cal walking incline treadmill
Training went well. Pushed it hard to get 8 reps on both sets of the deadlift. Being very dry and fatigued, I was feeling it.
Diet:
Calories: 2061, Carb: 270, Fat: 17, Protein: 209
Training:
Deadlift: 135x12, 225x10, 315x8, 315x8
Wide Grip Pull Ups: 10, 10, 8
Chin Ups: 8, 8
Reverse Grip Bent Over Rows: bar x 15 - 5 sets
Cardio: 60 cals stairmaster, 250 cal walking incline treadmill
Training went well. Pushed it hard to get 8 reps on both sets of the deadlift. Being very dry and fatigued, I was feeling it.
Diet:
Calories: 2061, Carb: 270, Fat: 17, Protein: 209
Natestreo
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What does everyone think about following a lower fat diet while using Clen/T3? I've read that a lower fat diet seems to work well with Clen.
On low carb and middle carb days I have to add fat in the form of peanut butter or something else because I dont eat other things that have fat it seems like. My other macro levels would stay the same but fat levels would be whatever they come to without me adding the rest to reach the daily macro levels (if that makes sense). This will reduce my daily calories by a couple hundred every day. I am already low calories, no doubt. I was hesitant to try it. Just thinking about it based on my research.
By no means am I afraid of the amout of fat that I am currently consuming, or even a little more. So dont gimme some lecture! haha
Thoughts?
On low carb and middle carb days I have to add fat in the form of peanut butter or something else because I dont eat other things that have fat it seems like. My other macro levels would stay the same but fat levels would be whatever they come to without me adding the rest to reach the daily macro levels (if that makes sense). This will reduce my daily calories by a couple hundred every day. I am already low calories, no doubt. I was hesitant to try it. Just thinking about it based on my research.
By no means am I afraid of the amout of fat that I am currently consuming, or even a little more. So dont gimme some lecture! haha
Thoughts?
Natestreo
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I forgot to mention....
Today was 100mcg Clen. I will stay at this dosage again tomorrow. Normally I would increase because I'm having no sides, but I don't wanna get the dose ramped up too high because I plan to switch the clen source.
My new clen and T3 both arrived today. Didn't get my insulin syringes though. Argh.
Today was 100mcg Clen. I will stay at this dosage again tomorrow. Normally I would increase because I'm having no sides, but I don't wanna get the dose ramped up too high because I plan to switch the clen source.
My new clen and T3 both arrived today. Didn't get my insulin syringes though. Argh.
Natestreo
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Update on my T3 dosing scheme...
I've scared myself with the research of muscle loss while using T3. Judging by the way I had originally planned on running T3 (week dosage at a time), muscle loss might have been inevitable. Ive decided its not worth the risk. Using Clen and T3 together...im going to lose fat. Especially because I train hard and eat clean. No reason to rush it and lose muscle. I have 9 weeks, right?
As a result...Im going to dose as follows. This was found on the internet and seems to be a common dosing scheme:
Days 1-4...................50mcg/day
Days 5-8...................75 "
Days 9-12.................100 "
Days 13-16...............100 "
Days 17-20...............75 "
Days 21-24...............50 "
Days 25-28...............25 "
... then do it all over again.
I'll keep cycling it like this until the end of my Clen/T3 cycle. The only thing likely to change would be the dosages...but the schedule and the pyramiding will be structured as seen above. For example: if im losing 4lbs per week while @ 100mcg then I will assume im burning muscle and that dosage is too high. Will adjust appropriately. Same goes for the inverse possibilities.
A lot of unknowns for me and T3, since I have never used it before.
I've scared myself with the research of muscle loss while using T3. Judging by the way I had originally planned on running T3 (week dosage at a time), muscle loss might have been inevitable. Ive decided its not worth the risk. Using Clen and T3 together...im going to lose fat. Especially because I train hard and eat clean. No reason to rush it and lose muscle. I have 9 weeks, right?
As a result...Im going to dose as follows. This was found on the internet and seems to be a common dosing scheme:
Days 1-4...................50mcg/day
Days 5-8...................75 "
Days 9-12.................100 "
Days 13-16...............100 "
Days 17-20...............75 "
Days 21-24...............50 "
Days 25-28...............25 "
... then do it all over again.
I'll keep cycling it like this until the end of my Clen/T3 cycle. The only thing likely to change would be the dosages...but the schedule and the pyramiding will be structured as seen above. For example: if im losing 4lbs per week while @ 100mcg then I will assume im burning muscle and that dosage is too high. Will adjust appropriately. Same goes for the inverse possibilities.
A lot of unknowns for me and T3, since I have never used it before.
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Natestreo
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Just dosed 100mcg Clen with my coffee about 45 minutes ago. I took 50mcg T3 at this time as well.
Then had my pre workout meal of brown rice and tilapia while sipping on MRI Black Powder. I switched up the ore workout today for kicks and giggles. I also used SS Agmatine this morning. 500mg with my preworkout and will use 500mg post workout. This will be my first workout with Agmatine, arm day baby!
I dosed the T3 even without an insulin syringe for the following reasons: I'm extremely impatient and dying to use it, the dosage is 100mcg/ML which is easy to measure even on a larger syringe, I just pulled halfway to the 1ML mark. Normally I would split the dosage of T3 into 2 doses throughout the day to maximize its half life, but I don't have the capability to be accurate with a measurement smaller than 1/2 ML (50mcg) for the T3.
Let's go make these arms hhhhuuuugeeeee!
Then had my pre workout meal of brown rice and tilapia while sipping on MRI Black Powder. I switched up the ore workout today for kicks and giggles. I also used SS Agmatine this morning. 500mg with my preworkout and will use 500mg post workout. This will be my first workout with Agmatine, arm day baby!
I dosed the T3 even without an insulin syringe for the following reasons: I'm extremely impatient and dying to use it, the dosage is 100mcg/ML which is easy to measure even on a larger syringe, I just pulled halfway to the 1ML mark. Normally I would split the dosage of T3 into 2 doses throughout the day to maximize its half life, but I don't have the capability to be accurate with a measurement smaller than 1/2 ML (50mcg) for the T3.
Let's go make these arms hhhhuuuugeeeee!
Natestreo
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Jim2542 said:
Care to clarify? I would argue that this is no more risky than what I was already doing. I've just added a blood pressure issue perhaps, but other than that it doesn't seem "dangerous" to me. This won't be my first rodeo, I wouldn't put anything in my body I felt was dangerous or could seriously harm me
Jim2542
Banned
Natestreo said:Care to clarify? I would argue that this is no more risky than what I was already doing. I've just added a blood pressure issue perhaps, but other than that it doesn't seem "dangerous" to me. This won't be my first rodeo, I wouldn't put anything in my body I felt was dangerous or could seriously harm me
Lol I know you know what your doing. Its just that hella is methylated (I think). I know its not superdrol but that mixed with an the clen (which I know absolutely nothing about) seems like a lot. I trust you know what you are doing but it seems like a lot to me!
Celorza
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You have ran H-drol before , so I won't nag you on this , what I will tell yah bro , is that you don;t need this , you know I care for you brosef and like yah a lot bro...But this is overkill, specially those dosages of Hdrol , it IS a methylated compound , you have been on hormonals for over 8 weeks now , and now you are going for AAS? And you are only 20 dude...and with t3/clen...dude this is overkill , I do agree that a strong anabolic is needed to combat the catabolic effects of t3 , thats a given , but hdrol is too hard on your liver at those dosages , being methylated and being mixed with clen an t3 too...specially such high t3...I wish yah the best brother , but this is not worth it, you will only put yourself at risk , hurt your HTPA system in a really bad way , and send yourself into deep shutdown this way...I'll keep yah in my prayers bro, but only you can help yourself now...the need for shredded abs and a chiseled physique should be NURTURED over years , and not in a sprint of some weeks...Food for thought brother, look at the older guys here , it took them YEARS of training , do you think they are all wrong?...besides you are breaking a forum rule by not being 21 and taking and posting about PH/DS you could get banned brother , please reconsider...
Celorza
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Jimmy boy , it is a methylated compound , and I do agree with you , its overkill for a summer cut , specially seeing he has been on hormonal supplements for over 8 weeks already and will be facing hard shutdown from those high doses of hdrol , and horrible sides paired with clen and t3...I like Ohio bro , he is a good fella , but he is going in way too deep in the wrong path...BBing is a marathon , not a sprint...
Celorza
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Also on this note , delete the sources , another rule you are breaking and could damage you bro...Erase Pro should NOT be run on cycle , so concerned about estrogen sides , don't do it , or run arimidex at .5mg E3D or EOD...not EP on cycle , bro come on...X_X its still not to late to come back to the Jedi Side of the Force!
Celorza
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You don;t wanna listen to a young soldier or a tike like me , then hear it from the big guys , even Aaron wants the best for you man! And he is 27 and huge! Come on bro reconsider >_<!
Natestreo
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I've not been on hormonals for 8 weeks?
I've ran it before. I know what I'm doing with it.
It's a common thing to run AAS with T3? I don't understand the heavy concern? I appreciate it, but don't understand it.
From my last 2 cycles of hdrol I know how my body responds to certain dosages. I've had no sides with this same setup in the past.
I've ran it before. I know what I'm doing with it.
It's a common thing to run AAS with T3? I don't understand the heavy concern? I appreciate it, but don't understand it.
From my last 2 cycles of hdrol I know how my body responds to certain dosages. I've had no sides with this same setup in the past.
Celorza
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ABE is a hormonal , yes you have ran it before doesn;t mean it wont lead into shutdown , no it is not uncommon to run an anabolic with T3 to avoid muscle loss , true Nate , but what you should understand is this is overkill for a simple cut , do the plan you had , you don't get to the 7% or 6% you want , then just bulk up again and cut out next year in a different approach , but remember this is a marathon...not a spring bro...Come on , all this for a cut is overkill , specially if you are not competing , if you are already stressing your HTPA system (specially the thyroid with the at2 you had , with the t3 , even with the clen annoying the b2 androceptors) to throw in such a highly dosed PH...at those high doses? Being 20 y.o. bro?...come on bro , for your sake edit this , at least if you are gonna do it , keep it off here or you are gonna get banned...I know I can not talk you out of this , you made a choice , and like runner_79 and me , you are a previous fat-boy , you need this abs , you literally need them...but at what price are they gonna come bro? Is shutdown really worth it? are thyroid imbalances really worth it?...Good luck bro...this is overkill and EP on cycle..yeah no...worried that much about being the perfect dry and no estrogen sides , run arimidex only if you are prone to gyno or stuff like anxiety or suicidal girl thoughts at .5mg EOD...come on bro...rethink this...or at least edit it out , like I said , any mod see it , they are gonna delete your log and prolly ban your ass for source and underage AAS talk...
Natestreo
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Abe is hormonal I guess, but not like a ph or something that will cause any shutdown to any degree IMO. I don't personally think the Abe is relevant.
Why would I get banned? I've done nothing wrong?
And perhaps I neglected to mention, I am actually training for a show this fall. This is my contest prep. I'm doing it a ways out because it's my first time.
Why would I get banned? I've done nothing wrong?
And perhaps I neglected to mention, I am actually training for a show this fall. This is my contest prep. I'm doing it a ways out because it's my first time.
Celorza
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Underage (20 bro...I know it sucks but David Dunn is specially hard on this bro :S!) and mentioned the name and where you got the Hdrol...edit that I'm telling you please! , and also , yes ABE is NOT suppresive , but it has an effect on the hormones of the body , hence still an effect that will deem itself cumulative over real stress (hdrol) on the HTPA system...Specially at said doses too X_X!!
MuscleGauge1
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Great stuff on your log bro! Your really coming along quite nicely
Celorza
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Edit , even if it doesn't say you order it from there , you are mentioning the product of a non authorized AAS retailer in AM >.<!! And also...careful bro please...think it again , cut yah a deal , wait 1 year , when I'm 22 and u are 21 and we run something and compete on who gets more gains deal? Come on bro...even more , if u wait lets make it a bet and see who wins haha loser covers the cost of the others cycle deal?
Natestreo
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I'll wrap the thread up tonight. Thanks for the help celorza, good looking out!
I'm gonna use it man. I don't feel like I'm causing any problems. It's pre contest for me. I'm not trying to make a ton of gains. It's just necessary as part of my T3 usage.
We can talk more on PM. Better stop here so I don't get in trouble.
Again, thanks everyone.
I'm gonna use it man. I don't feel like I'm causing any problems. It's pre contest for me. I'm not trying to make a ton of gains. It's just necessary as part of my T3 usage.
We can talk more on PM. Better stop here so I don't get in trouble.
Again, thanks everyone.
Celorza
Well-known member
Its your choice bro
and well , I'm here for yah bro , I'm not meaning to come out rude or mean to yah brosef , just really concerned , but if you are gonna do it , heck i'll support yah then , thats what friends are for...if I can't talk yah out of it at least i'll be there for yah bro!
Natestreo
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This log will conclude with nearly 6K views. I never expected half of that when I started.
Thanks to EVERYONE who joined in and followed me. Your support has helped me get closer to my goals!
I hope my usage of some of these products has helped someone in some way. I know that I learned quite a bit along the way from you all!
Again, thanks everyone. The thread is gonna end once I get home and can analyze results to post. I'm at work and can't do it right now.
Maybe I'll do another log? I enjoyed this one!
Thanks to EVERYONE who joined in and followed me. Your support has helped me get closer to my goals!
I hope my usage of some of these products has helped someone in some way. I know that I learned quite a bit along the way from you all!
Again, thanks everyone. The thread is gonna end once I get home and can analyze results to post. I'm at work and can't do it right now.
Maybe I'll do another log? I enjoyed this one!