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BadSeed

BadSeed

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In all accounts I've ever read on any forums, no one has ever expressed having suffered serious liver damage from orals.

I'm a little concerned as the past few days my **** has turned a very pale color and I tend to get extremely nauseated after eating high fat meals.

Been running Ultradrol 20mg ed and this is day 30. Been running TUDCA for the past 3 days and thats when new symptoms started. I had planned on continuing the cycle through week 6 but I'm a little concerned.
 
Should also note that I have been taking high dose Red Yeast Rice. Now I am reading that this can affect liver function as well.
 
BadSeed said:
Should also note that I have been taking high dose Red Yeast Rice. Now I am reading that this can affect liver function as well.
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Stay away from RYR, i cringe when people use it nowadays, its useless. Id hop off but continue the tudca.
 
To clarify...hop off the RYR or the cycle altogether. I'm afraid I already know the answer which is a bummer bc I had just started to hit stride and see some real gains. I'd imagine I'd lose the gains pretty fast in a hospital bed though.
 
There was two guys that were suing cell or someone (this was a number of years ago) anyways, i never followed up with the story but they had liver failure or something do to a long cycle and no liver supps. Im really surprised it doesn't happen more often because people just pop it like candy and dont read up on how to cycle the stuff.
 
I had an issue stemming from it. I ended up getting abscesses all over my body in areas pimples would occur and turn into abscess cus my immune function was shot.

This is what happened. I had to go to the ER and Have surgery on a perianal abscess that grew from a pimple on my taint to the size of a racket ball in 24 hours time and was painful as hell. This is where it started. For a couple weeks following I had to have my gf that was thankfully going to nursing school stuff the hole that was left with saline soaked gauze twice a day and clean it till it slowly healed from the inside out and I continued to get these horrible abscesses that were less severe but equally as painful. They were like gigantic zits. You wouldnt believe what came out of these things. It was an experience that will forever jade me and keep me from messing with orals.

These kinda things are rare in sure as everyone's body responds different. Mine responded as if I was being poisoned. Mind you , up until the problem I had no symptoms and my gains were great.
 
mikeg313 said:
I had an issue stemming from it. I ended up getting abscesses all over my body in areas pimples would occur and turn into abscess cus my immune function was shot.

This is what happened. I had to go to the ER and Have surgery on a perianal abscess that grew from a pimple on my taint to the size of a racket ball in 24 hours time and was painful as hell. This is where it started. For a couple weeks following I had to have my gf that was thankfully going to nursing school stuff the hole that was left with saline soaked gauze twice a day and clean it till it slowly healed from the inside out and I continued to get these horrible abscesses that were less severe but equally as painful. They were like gigantic zits. You wouldnt believe what came out of these things. It was an experience that will forever jade me and keep me from messing with orals.

These kinda things are rare in sure as everyone's body responds different. Mine responded as if I was being poisoned. Mind you , up until the problem I had no symptoms and my gains were great.
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WTF!!! :scared:
 
If you are concerned about the liver then I would:
1) Cut the orals
2) Go to the DOC
3) Get your liver values checked, results can be in within 72 hours...
 
Wow Mike, thats some crazy ****. I guess the smart play is to wrap this cycle, it is Day 30. Increased my weight by about 13lbs and lowered bf by 1.5% - think I can chaulk that up as a win. No sense in getting greedy - not worth it. I'll continue to run TUDCA and Cycle Assist for the next month or so.
 
demolition said:
WTF!!! :scared:
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Yeah it sucked bad. I ran a clean diet on cycle with liver support and all. I don't recall my dosage as this was over 7 years ago but I know it was moderate
 
BadSeed said:
Wow Mike, thats some crazy ****. I guess the smart play is to wrap this cycle, it is Day 30. Increased my weight by about 13lbs and lowered bf by 1.5% - think I can chaulk that up as a win. No sense in getting greedy - not worth it. I'll continue to run TUDCA and Cycle Assist for the next month or so.
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Those sound like great gains in a month, in your shoes if I felt the way you do I'd prolly do what you just said, PCT and get healthy, maintain gains and save the rest in a stash for a cycle later or something
 
thyrod said:
There's a SuperDrol log here I think bluedevil, he got jaundice? I'm pretty sure
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Just going to bring that up.
He hasn't made it back yet either.
 
BadSeed said:
In all accounts I've ever read on any forums, no one has ever expressed having suffered serious liver damage from orals.

I'm a little concerned as the past few days my **** has turned a very pale color and I tend to get extremely nauseated after eating high fat meals.

Been running Ultradrol 20mg ed and this is day 30. Been running TUDCA for the past 3 days and thats when new symptoms started. I had planned on continuing the cycle through week 6 but I'm a little concerned.
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go get blood work done and make sure you get GGT values done along with your AST/ALT ratios. You should have results back within 24 hours and then can make the decision to continue or not

3clipseGT said:
Stay away from RYR, i cringe when people use it nowadays, its useless.
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reps!
 
yeah if you think you are having liver problems a doc is a must. serms are hepatoxic too. so if you are truly having liver problems just stopping isnt going to necessarily help your liver. get liv values then make an informed decision.
 
BadSeed said:
To clarify...hop off the RYR or the cycle altogether. I'm afraid I already know the answer which is a bummer bc I had just started to hit stride and see some real gains. I'd imagine I'd lose the gains pretty fast in a hospital bed though.
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Hop off the ryr and the UD and continue the tudca.
 
3clipseGT said:
Stay away from RYR, i cringe when people use it nowadays, its useless. Id hop off but continue the tudca.
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Haven't heard about that stuff in a long time. I
Used to take that crap. Garbage
 
csa2179 said:
yeah if you think you are having liver problems a doc is a must. serms are hepatoxic too. so if you are truly having liver problems just stopping isnt going to necessarily help your liver. get liv values then make an informed decision.
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I'll go see the doc. No serms for me. Just back to the HRT.
 
mikeg313 said:
I had an issue stemming from it. I ended up getting abscesses all over my body in areas pimples would occur and turn into abscess cus my immune function was shot.

This is what happened. I had to go to the ER and Have surgery on a perianal abscess that grew from a pimple on my taint to the size of a racket ball in 24 hours time and was painful as hell. This is where it started. For a couple weeks following I had to have my gf that was thankfully going to nursing school stuff the hole that was left with saline soaked gauze twice a day and clean it till it slowly healed from the inside out and I continued to get these horrible abscesses that were less severe but equally as painful. They were like gigantic zits. You wouldnt believe what came out of these things. It was an experience that will forever jade me and keep me from messing with orals.

These kinda things are rare in sure as everyone's body responds different. Mine responded as if I was being poisoned. Mind you , up until the problem I had no symptoms and my gains were great.
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Damn that sounds like a living nightmare, glad u bounced bak aright. So I assume u only run aas or are you completely off the stuff?
 
Liver ****ed = life ****ed. It's some scary ahit Cus it could be in moderation and you could still mess it up. It's not unlikely to happen.
"get bloods done before/mid/end cycle.
 
BadSeed said:
In all accounts I've ever read on any forums, no one has ever expressed having suffered serious liver damage from orals.

I'm a little concerned as the past few days my **** has turned a very pale color and I tend to get extremely nauseated after eating high fat meals.

Been running Ultradrol 20mg ed and this is day 30. Been running TUDCA for the past 3 days and thats when new symptoms started. I had planned on continuing the cycle through week 6 but I'm a little concerned.
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You must have not read much. Just google "Superdrol liver damage".
 
mikeg313 said:
I had an issue stemming from it. I ended up getting abscesses all over my body in areas pimples would occur and turn into abscess cus my immune function was shot.

This is what happened. I had to go to the ER and Have surgery on a perianal abscess that grew from a pimple on my taint to the size of a racket ball in 24 hours time and was painful as hell. This is where it started. For a couple weeks following I had to have my gf that was thankfully going to nursing school stuff the hole that was left with saline soaked gauze twice a day and clean it till it slowly healed from the inside out and I continued to get these horrible abscesses that were less severe but equally as painful. They were like gigantic zits. You wouldnt believe what came out of these things. It was an experience that will forever jade me and keep me from messing with orals.

These kinda things are rare in sure as everyone's body responds different. Mine responded as if I was being poisoned. Mind you , up until the problem I had no symptoms and my gains were great.
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Damn Thank God for your girlfriend then. Any girl that would do that for you is a keeper in my book!
 
csa2179 said:
yeah if you think you are having liver problems a doc is a must. serms are hepatoxic too. so if you are truly having liver problems just stopping isnt going to necessarily help your liver. get liv values then make an informed decision.
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True. You have to ask yourself what is more important, keeping the gains or staying healthy/getting better?.
 
Honestly makes me wonder why people mess with orals to begin with...legality issues aside.
 
T-Bone said:
You must have not read much. Just google "Superdrol liver damage".
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Most of the stories I found via Google were from 2005-06 with a more recent one at the beginning of 09. None of the stories/studies I found indicated use of support supps during cycle. It seemed in 05-06 people were relatively ignorant in regards to how toxic these compounds were.

I guess the false sense of security comes from the impression that support supps seem to have come into focus in the past 2-3 years (with the exception of Milk Thistle, which seems to be documented a long way back) - giving the impression that new technology has arrived to helped negate toxicity. TUDCA and UDCA seem to have emerged in the past year or so. I, for one, assumed that the toxicity of these compounds was overstated and, with a proper support protocol, could be avoided altogether. A piss poor assumption, I'm sure, but the labs will tell the story.
 
JoeySon said:
Damn that sounds like a living nightmare, glad u bounced bak aright. So I assume u only run aas or are you completely off the stuff?
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That's the last cycle I did before my test e cycle this past winter. I had a heart attack during that cycle but it was from stress not the test. Just a freak occurance
 
T-Bone said:
Damn Thank God for your girlfriend then. Any girl that would do that for you is a keeper in my book!
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Yes she was and i loved and adored her but being a dumb horny guy I cheated on her after a dumb fight with a stupid stripper that used to date a buddy. She was hot as **** but horrible in bed and called me daddy oh daddy the whole time. I remember thinking this sucks and had to think about fuking my gf to bust a nut. I felt like such an idiot but kept it hidden for awhile until she found an old email from this chick with a tit an spread vag pics. If you do a Filipina wrong shell never forgive you. My wife now is a Filipina and I'd never cheat.. Luckily she likes girls too;-)
 
BadSeed said:
Most of the stories I found via Google were from 2005-06 with a more recent one at the beginning of 09. None of the stories/studies I found indicated use of support supps during cycle. It seemed in 05-06 people were relatively ignorant in regards to how toxic these compounds were.

I guess the false sense of security comes from the impression that support supps seem to have come into focus in the past 2-3 years (with the exception of Milk Thistle, which seems to be documented a long way back) - giving the impression that new technology has arrived to helped negate toxicity. TUDCA and UDCA seem to have emerged in the past year or so. I, for one, assumed that the toxicity of these compounds was overstated and, with a proper support protocol, could be avoided altogether. A piss poor assumption, I'm sure, but the labs will tell the story.
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Same time my incident happened 05-06 back when i was on the 1fast400 bulk nutrition forums. it was right after M1T got banned and everyone was hyped on SD. Lots of us (bouncers i worked with) got the "M1T flu " the first time around and we weren't really running proper cycles with m1t
 
I had a friend who was experiencing the same issues, are your eyes turning yellowish around the pupil? He was honest with his Doc who advised him lay off orals and to fast for a month drinking nothing but carrot juice among other juices and green tea, finishing the fast the last week with some potent cleanser similar to herbasway herbal concentrates daily detox liver enhancer.
 
BadSeed said:
Most of the stories I found via Google were from 2005-06 with a more recent one at the beginning of 09. None of the stories/studies I found indicated use of support supps during cycle. It seemed in 05-06 people were relatively ignorant in regards to how toxic these compounds were.

I guess the false sense of security comes from the impression that support supps seem to have come into focus in the past 2-3 years (with the exception of Milk Thistle, which seems to be documented a long way back) - giving the impression that new technology has arrived to helped negate toxicity. TUDCA and UDCA seem to have emerged in the past year or so. I, for one, assumed that the toxicity of these compounds was overstated and, with a proper support protocol, could be avoided altogether. A piss poor assumption, I'm sure, but the labs will tell the story.
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nobody did PCT or any support really back in the day for PH's and the like.....depending how far back you go the same can be said for AAS as well.....much of this PCT/support supps stuff is quite recent....
 
Mako3 said:
I had a friend who was experiencing the same issues, are your eyes turning yellowish around the pupil? He was honest with his Doc who advised him lay off orals and to fast for a month drinking nothing but carrot juice among other juices and green tea, finishing the fast the last week with some potent cleanser similar to herbasway herbal concentrates daily detox liver enhancer.
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What?.....I couldn't hear you, apparently you were yelling too loud?
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
nobody did PCT or any support really back in the day for PH's and the like.....depending how far back you go the same can be said for AAS as well.....much of this PCT/support supps stuff is quite recent....
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i got a pct you can do.
 
I actually had a friend, who ran a few PH back in the day. He got his bloods done and checked out i guess his liver was just one step short of failing. luckily for him he had a very helpful family doctor-- but most ppl arnt so lucky..
 
aceroni said:
I actually had a friend, who ran a few PH back in the day. He got his bloods done and checked out i guess his liver was just one step short of failing. luckily for him he had a very helpful family doctor-- but most ppl arnt so lucky..
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Checked out as in passed away?
 
mikeg313 said:
As in looked into I'm sure. Ebonics Was not used in this message ;-)
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:FUfinger:
 
nah man he didnt die.. i meant to say he got his liver checked out.. i guess it was at a stage 4/5 and 5 is liver failure.. but like i said their family friend / doctor specializes in crazy herbal **** and she actually had him on some medicated droplets (taken orally) to help repair his liver...
 
Take a look at this M-Drol Video News Clip .. Link ---:> Invalid Link Removed

They were taking two methylated compounds at the same time and suffered serious liver damage.
 
middleageguy said:
Take a look at this M-Drol Video News Clip .. Link ---:> Invalid Link Removed

They were taking two methylated compounds at the same time and suffered serious liver damage.
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Ive seen that clip.
They ran like 2 bottles back to back with no liver support or PCT!!!
Think it was like 60 days!
 
T-Bone said:
It is really funny how people like to perpetuate the myth that "support sups" will protect them and prevent any liver damage.
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Something like NAC... no, it won't do as much as people seem to think.
TUDCA on the other hand... yes it's very good. Can be used to protect or even treat.
 
dude that was the mdrol my buddy ran 3x.. and im pretty sure he diid it once before his liver was ****ed, and has ran it twice since his liver was fixed..
 
Been off for 48 hours now and running TUDCA at 750mg/day. Symptoms have subsided and appetite has returned. Not taking any chances though, Doc appt on Wed morning for bloods - ealiest I can get in. I'll post labs when they come through.
 
T-Bone said:
It is really funny how people like to perpetuate the myth that "support sups" will protect them and prevent any liver damage.
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Seriously. After reading, the message in my mind was exactly this. The message should be more like "methyls are still risky as fock, but taking these are better than NOT taking them. Do yourself a favor and, if you're dead set on running ph/aas, then go find some real gear."
 
BadSeed said:
Been off for 48 hours now and running TUDCA at 750mg/day. Symptoms have subsided and appetite has returned. Not taking any chances though, Doc appt on Wed morning for bloods - ealiest I can get in. I'll post labs when they come through.
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Glad you're feeling better man.
 
I just got my blood results back from a month ago. Ast - 46 (1-35) and alt - 72 (30-65) is this something to worry about?
 
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