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Androbulk

Jorsn said:
What about Mass/Lean 6-8 weeks then switch to Bulk/Hard 6-8 weeks?
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Thats an interesting stack of products, but it all will work ---- mass seems to be more "hard" than we thought of course due to AndroHard built into it.

But for super DRY leanness and hardness I am digging the sounds of Lean/Hard!

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
Thats an interesting stack of products, but it all will work ---- mass seems to be more "hard" than we thought of course due to AndroHard built into it.

But for super DRY leanness and hardness I am digging the sounds of Lean/Hard!

-Matt
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sound slike a great stack rigyt before summer
 
Yesss my androbulk cam in the mail today! so tempting to just start it immediately but i need o order pct first and i just dont know wether to run it before during or end of summer, any suggestions? and for pct should i use the one form the primordial performance or should i go with erase pro and tocco 8 ?
 
MattPorter said:
^ Sustain, TCF-1 + EndoAMP is a great PCT for almost ANY cycle.

-Matt
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With a SERM as well right? I know a lot of people don't bother with it for the PP line
 
BigRigg said:
With a SERM as well right? I know a lot of people don't bother with it for the PP line
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While using Andro and dosing once-a-day, I am not so sure a SERM is mandatory. As blood work has been coming back fully recovered from our testers....

-Matt
 
yea i dont feel like using a serm. i just dont know wether to get the natral recover stack that the site offers or if i should use the erase pro
 
MattPorter said:
Thats an interesting stack of products, but it all will work ---- mass seems to be more "hard" than we thought of course due to AndroHard built into it.

But for super DRY leanness and hardness I am digging the sounds of Lean/Hard!

-Matt
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Matt,

What do you think about..
Bulk(6-9 caps)/Mass(6 caps) weeks 1-8
Hard(6 caps/Lean(caps) weeks 8-14
Prop(100mg EOD)/Anavar(60mg 6 weeks) or Mechabol(50mg for 6 weeks) weeks 14-22
TRS, Torem 60mg, Intimidate, Ipamorelin/Mod grf weeks 22-26

That way your running compounds for 8 weeks max and running the androseries at the beginning so shutdown shouldn't be too bad.
 
Jorsn said:
Matt,

What do you think about..
Bulk(6-9 caps)/Mass(6 caps) weeks 1-8
Hard(6 caps/Lean(caps) weeks 8-14
Prop(100mg EOD)/Anavar(60mg 6 weeks) or Mechabol(50mg for 6 weeks) weeks 14-22
TRS, Torem 60mg, Intimidate, Ipamorelin/Mod grf weeks 22-26

That way your running compounds for 8 weeks max and running the androseries at the beginning so shutdown shouldn't be too bad.
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wow....so for 14 weeks --- you are only on AndroSeries --- getting gains while not completely driving HPTA function into the ground....then you jump on a injectable + a methyl for 6 weeks which will put the "nail into the coffin" for hpta function.

If you choose this route --- I would incorporate HCG right when you begin prop + methyl at 2 shots a week at 500iu per shot.

I like the PCT with peptides, that is a nice option to go with. Could be a very successful long cycle....but I feel the HCG is paramount in gain retention.

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
wow....so for 14 weeks --- you are only on AndroSeries --- getting gains while not completely driving HPTA function into the ground....then you jump on a injectable + a methyl for 6 weeks which will put the "nail into the coffin" for hpta function.

If you choose this route --- I would incorporate HCG right when you begin prop + methyl at 2 shots a week at 500iu per shot.

I like the PCT with peptides, that is a nice option to go with. Could be a very successful long cycle....but I feel the HCG is paramount in gain retention.

-Matt
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Exactly. Plus i'll be using Sustain and DAA at night.

Okay, i'll have to grab some HCG.

Just thinking about this cycle makes me drool. What do you think about 2-3 caps of AndroHard with the Androbulk/Andromass in case any gyno symptoms arise?
 
Jorsn said:
Exactly. Plus i'll be using Sustain and DAA at night.

Okay, i'll have to grab some HCG.

Just thinking about this cycle makes me drool. What do you think about 2-3 caps of AndroHard with the Androbulk/Andromass in case any gyno symptoms arise?
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Should be an interesting cycle. As for the 2-3 caps of Hard, that would be ideal and would be the equivalent of full dosed hard (3 caps) since the 6 caps of mass have the equivalent of 3 caps of Hard in them.
 
HereToStudy said:
Should be an interesting cycle. As for the 2-3 caps of Hard, that would be ideal and would be the equivalent of full dosed hard (3 caps) since the 6 caps of mass have the equivalent of 3 caps of Hard in them.
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Yeah i'm looking forward to it. I freaking love AHV3, Too bad you can't take this stuff year round.

I've decided to go with end with 8 weeks of Prop 100mg EOD, 6 caps of AMV3, 3-4 Caps of AHV3. I figure since i'm responding so well with AHV3 that there is no point in throwing in harsh methyls and it should make pct a little easier.
 
Jorsn said:
Yeah i'm looking forward to it. I freaking love AHV3, Too bad you can't take this stuff year round.

I've decided to go with end with 8 weeks of Prop 100mg EOD, 6 caps of AMV3, 3-4 Caps of AHV3. I figure since i'm responding so well with AHV3 that there is no point in throwing in harsh methyls and it should make pct a little easier.
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Should be a good time, looking forward to how it treats you.
 
frostbite116 said:
i cant comment on the sd but i ran i 5 week solo run of ep-stane and to be honest my sides consited of very mimimal sides. jacked up libido my last week on it, super agressive starting 2nd week and one welt on my back that came within my last two days on it and went away right after i got off it. but i cant disagree that the andro products are safer. but a 5 week cycel of epi with pct ( nolva, daa ) costed a total of about 180 and that wouldent even cost the price of just the bulk or even the mass for that matte
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Did you get bloods? I have on epi...many times and it was never pretty. SD/M1T make you feel like death while wreaking havoc on you some designers are wreaking havoc while you don't feel any sides or even feel great like with Phera
 
ryansm said:
Did you get bloods? I have on epi...many times and it was never pretty. SD/M1T make you feel like death while wreaking havoc on you some designers are wreaking havoc while you don't feel any sides or even feel great like with Phera
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i got bloods like 2 months later and all was perfect
 
jaydollars said:
Yes, my penis is only 10 inches long and used to be 11 inches pre-cycle, not as big now but more functional
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I was under the impression that Pro Hormones will only make your penis shrink if your not done growing. (under the age of 25)


It doesn't say your age on your profile but I hope if your under-age you don't experience any more bad sides. Good luck on your future cycles bro.
 
ilovechoclate said:
I was under the impression that Pro Hormones will only make your penis shrink if your not done growing. (under the age of 25)

It doesn't say your age on your profile but I hope if your under-age you don't experience any more bad sides. Good luck on your future cycles bro.
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I'm pretty sure your size is predetermined and nothing can change that
 
ilovechoclate said:
I was under the impression that Pro Hormones will only make your penis shrink if your not done growing. (under the age of 25)

It doesn't say your age on your profile but I hope if your under-age you don't experience any more bad sides. Good luck on your future cycles bro.
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I am 29, but don't think I'm done growing, I suspect Rambo will be will be 12 inches long by years end, might have to androbulk again to shrink him up so I don't scare the ladies away
 
jaydollars said:
I am 29, but don't think I'm done growing, I suspect Rambo will be will be 12 inches long by years end, might have to androbulk again to shrink him up so I don't scare the ladies away
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Thats an impressive 7 inch increase folks. *slow clap*
 
I was actually looking into buying two bottles of andro lean but not even going to touch primodial products if they make your johnson shrink. ****-THAT-****. haha
 
ilovechoclate said:
I was actually looking into buying two bottles of andro lean but not even going to touch primodial products if they make your johnson shrink. ****-THAT-****. haha
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Its a myth. Your penis will stay the same but your balls wont.

Ifbb pros look small though....because they weigh in at 300 lbs. Every body who is 300+ would look tiny.
 
as for pct would the pp one be enough or should i throw in some nolva, i aint tryna get bitch tits and i know the bulk is based of esttrogen so a little worried?
 
frostbite116 said:
as for pct would the pp one be enough or should i throw in some nolva, i aint tryna get bitch tits and i know the bulk is based of esttrogen so a little worried?
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Why not add a SERM, that's my philosophy, who cares if it's not needed, but what if YOU need it
 
jaydollars said:
Why not add a SERM, that's my philosophy, who cares if it's not needed, but what if YOU need it
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thats what i was thinking, but i feel like it might not sit well with the pp pct and also i hate nolva it kills my libido, raises bp... id rather not take it unless needed
 
frostbite116 said:
so good chance of gyno if i dont take nolva?
i thought the pp pct was good enough?!?
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No dude, you will not get gyno from androbulk, there is not 1 reported case, run Torem in PCT if you want to add a SERM, I do and I have 0 sides other than big balls and huge loads
 
jaydollars said:
No dude, you will not get gyno from androbulk, there is not 1 reported case, run Torem in PCT if you want to add a SERM, I do and I have 0 sides other than big balls and huge loads
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thats sounds good but i have 10 10mgs of nolva left over from my last cycle, but never tried torem. i will be willing to buy if it the pp pct is not enough.. keeep in mind im only running one bottle of the androbulk so 4 week cycle
 
frostbite116 said:
thats sounds good but i have 10 10mgs of nolva left over from my last cycle, but never tried torem. i will be willing to buy if it the pp pct is not enough.. keeep in mind im only running one bottle of the androbulk so 4 week cycle
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Listen to the guys that posted. I'm not familiar with Andro bulk, so if they say it is not a compound that will aromatize into estrogen or cause prolactin related gyno, then don't worry about on cycle.

And it isn't that the pp pct is not enough.....there are well coupled OTC pct products out there, but you have to take the responsibility in acknowledging you are messing with 'steroids.' A pharmaceutical SERM is necessary.
I've seen guys get blood work done with OTC pct products like formestanzol and everything turns out alright....but its always safe to not gamble. Get your serm. Torem is very good. It's the latest and greatest. You get all the benefits of chlomid AND nolva ....only without as much damage done.
 
ilovechoclate said:
Listen to the guys that posted. I'm not familiar with Andro bulk, so if they say it is not a compound that will aromatize into estrogen or cause prolactin related gyno, then don't worry about on cycle.

And it isn't that the pp pct is not enough.....there are well coupled OTC pct products out there, but you have to take the responsibility in acknowledging you are messing with 'steroids.' A pharmaceutical SERM is necessary.
I've seen guys get blood work done with OTC pct products like formestanzol and everything turns out alright....but its always safe to not gamble. Get your serm. Torem is very good. It's the latest and greatest. You get all the benefits of chlomid AND nolva ....only without as much damage done.
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aiight will do thanks man! and how would throwing 20 milligrams of epi in with my androbulk? i feeel like if im gonna get a serm and the pp pct i would wanna see some nice gains and i feel like a little epi might make my gains more "dry".
 
Honestly, if a cycle is just Andro, a serm really isnt necessary (and I always recommend a SERM). Suppression has been less than what is expected from a cycle and receovery with the TRS has been more than adequate.
 
HereToStudy said:
Honestly, if a cycle is just Andro, a serm really isnt necessary (and I always recommend a SERM). Suppression has been less than what is expected from a cycle and receovery with the TRS has been more than adequate.
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Hell of an up-sell.





frostbite116, remember, no one here is a doctor or has a p.h.d. in any field that will benefit advice on anabolics. Including myself. Do plenty of reading and research on your own to come up with the best decision. There are plenty of stickies on several forums packed with info.

I'd still get a serm. Even if you don't need it, it can come in handy for a later cycle or a post cycle gyno scare. You don't want to be left with titties just because someone told you a SERM wasn't needed.

That said, I HAVE heard that andro series products don't suppress you much.....pretty much go's hand in hand with the very slow gains andro provides that I've heard about as well. It's YOUR body.....so at the end of the day it's going to be 'your' decision. My advice? Rather then rush into it, continue to read and think it over for some time before jumping on a cycle.

I changed my mind quite a bit in the 4 months of planning I myself did. Just some food for thought. Hope all go's well, and if you can, get blood work BEFORE your cycle rather then just after and/or after pct.
 
ilovechoclate said:
Hell of an up-sell.



frostbite116, remember, no one here is a doctor or has a p.h.d. in any field that will benefit advice on anabolics. Including myself. Do plenty of reading and research on your own to come up with the best decision. There are plenty of stickies on several forums packed with info.

I'd still get a serm. Even if you don't need it, it can come in handy for a later cycle or a post cycle gyno scare. You don't want to be left with titties just because someone told you a SERM wasn't needed.

That said, I HAVE heard that andro series products don't suppress you much.....pretty much go's hand in hand with the very slow gains andro provides that I've heard about as well. It's YOUR body.....so at the end of the day it's going to be 'your' decision. My advice? Rather then rush into it, continue to read and think it over for some time before jumping on a cycle.

I changed my mind quite a bit in the 4 months of planning I myself did. Just some food for thought. Hope all go's well, and if you can, get blood work BEFORE your cycle rather then just after and/or after pct.
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thanks for all ur advice my man. and i got blood work done recently and everything was fine just as i expected. but i will deff do more reading and reserch and knowing me will prob invst in a serm. thanks again for the advicee
 
ilovechoclate said:
Hell of an up-sell.





frostbite116, remember, no one here is a doctor or has a p.h.d. in any field that will benefit advice on anabolics. Including myself. Do plenty of reading and research on your own to come up with the best decision. There are plenty of stickies on several forums packed with info.

I'd still get a serm. Even if you don't need it, it can come in handy for a later cycle or a post cycle gyno scare. You don't want to be left with titties just because someone told you a SERM wasn't needed.

That said, I HAVE heard that andro series products don't suppress you much.....pretty much go's hand in hand with the very slow gains andro provides that I've heard about as well. It's YOUR body.....so at the end of the day it's going to be 'your' decision. My advice? Rather then rush into it, continue to read and think it over for some time before jumping on a cycle.

I changed my mind quite a bit in the 4 months of planning I myself did. Just some food for thought. Hope all go's well, and if you can, get blood work BEFORE your cycle rather then just after and/or after pct.
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That's pretty much what HTS was suggesting...FYI we do have bloods to back up the TRS and we do make both products...
I typically run the TRS with a low dose of Torem frostbite
 
MattPorter said:
You can take it throughout the cycle --- and during pct. I take it all year long.

-Matt
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sounds good, and i think i decided to thorw oin a low dose of epi into this cycle (20 mgs a day) should i just dose this with the androbulk for less chance of suppression? and with the epi should i still take tocco on cycle ?
 
I was thinking of running AB & AH come this June to get stacked for a trip to Cancun but I have a question for anyone who has taken just 1 of them solo or together….. Did you have any issues with Prostate swelling? I ran AM about 2 deferent times and had outstanding results the only downside was I had issues with prostate swelling both times and anyone that has had the same issue knows it can be very discomforting at times. So again does anyone know if either will affect your prostate?
 
JD Intl said:
I was thinking of running AB & AH come this June to get stacked for a trip to Cancun but I have a question for anyone who has taken just 1 of them solo or together..... Did you have any issues with Prostate swelling? I ran AM about 2 deferent times and had outstanding results the only downside was I had issues with prostate swelling both times and anyone that has had the same issue knows it can be very discomforting at times. So again does anyone know if either will affect your prostate?
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I'm running AH right now at 12 caps/day. Honestly, even at this amount I still and free of all sides. This stuff is truly amazing. =)
 
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